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ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

It's not too difficult to connect the dots on him airing some of Obsidian's dirty laundry over at RPG Codex (where he's generally very well liked) if the company really let him go due to poo poo like this.

Here he is alleging that he was sexually harassed by Tina Parker, head of Obsidian's HR.

https://twitter.com/ChrisAvellone/status/930270844365844480

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ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

He just makes it worse every time he posts something.

https://twitter.com/ChocoIncognito/status/1280146102986043393

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

$200 for a controller with porn on it. Yeah, I think you can actually get those for cheaper than that.

Also the replies for that tweet are a hilarious shitshow. Not only does the author triple down on "Yes, I am actually sad that I can no longer bring my porn controller to a tournament that has kids", there's plenty of wackos rushing in there as well to say they're equally sad.

Anime was a mistake.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

His first mistake was attempting to stream anything in such a condition. Lucky for them, he thought it was the best idea - which should tell you all you need to know about this guy.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

RottenK posted:

if Games has a zero tolerance policy then so be it, but people are upset about the wording of the probe reason

as dumb as it is people do like to pull someone's rap sheet as an argument on SA sometimes, and just saying they dropped a slur leaves a very different impression compared to something a bit more descriptive about what happened

From the rules thread:

quote:

This is your brand new rules thread for the roaring 20s. I do not want to bog you all down in a load of rules because we try to be more flexible here but all you need to know is the following:

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

RottenK posted:

im sorry, but what does this have to do with my post

i agree that endorph didn't really deserve a probe, if that's what you mean

Hey, sorry, it wasn't meant as an attack against you or anything, just highlighting how 'zero tolerance' didn't seem to gel well with the 'we try to be more flexible around here' in the rules. (Sorry for replying so late and continuing the derail)

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

That controller will be auctioned off someday and it'll be worth thousands of dollars.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012


Hascoët has been with Ubisoft since the beginning. His time there spans 3 decades, he has a credit on almost every single game the company's made or published.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

If I were them I'd at the very least delay this event. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to broadcast a pre-recorded 'celebration' (their words, not mine) when this has just happened.

Unless they're gonna frame it as "We're so happy those jerks are gone now, good riddance! No more sex pests at our company!".

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

New FMV game: Gamer Girl

The marketing angle:

quote:

Adopt the role of moderator for up and coming streamer ‘Abicake99’, who’s back online after the mysterious disappearance of her friend Becky. Featuring multi-branched narrative and real-time chat simulation, your role as moderator is to control the stream, level up mod powers, guide Abi’s choices and uncover the threat she faces by an anonymous predator who hides in the stream’s chat.

quote:

NEW GENRE

The first multi-branching FMV video game with a micro-management meta-game – where players constantly have to analyse and react to a constant stream of chat comments whilst texting Abi and helping her make the right choices.

The trailer (TW: assault, shock scares):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHdMCfB85rc

The name and imagery ensured the game got plenty of attention after the reveal and a bunch of YT personalities weighed in to give their thoughts, with the consensus being that everyone seems to hate it. The trailer was pulled shortly after and the publisher issued this statement on twitter as a follow-up:

Wales Interactive posted:

Gamer Girl is about the impact user comments and actions have on a streamer’s mental health and wellbeing. The reason why FMV Future created the game was to raise the issue of the toxic environment which can often appear online behind the anonymity of a username. Without giving away too much, Gamer Girl is an empowering story of a female streamer who, with the help of her moderator friend, battles the trolls and – overcomes – the toxic characters in her stream.

Gamer Girl was co-written by Alexandra Burton, the lead actress who improvised the entire script. The research into the streaming content of Gamer Girl took 4 years and the dev team at FMV Future interviewed dozens of female streamers, most of whom have experienced abuse of various kinds online – some have even shared their experiences during interviews within the game.

Players start the game as one of Abi’s friends whom she trusts, and it is their job to make the channel a success but also to guide the stream to keep Abi in a positive frame of mind. Online abuse is real and is still happening every day – Gamer Girl seeks to raise awareness of this issue.
Yes, of course it's a real problem - this month alone has seen a few popular streamers take their own lives. Parasocial relationships are complicated and weird and people being online 24/7 must be exhausting. But the marketing for this game appears to be loving terrible and it isn't helping at the moment.

Game's still coming out later this year.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

I'll bring it up again: Serge Hascoët, one of the guys that was recently made to step down, was the chief creative officer of Ubisoft and he had his hand in nearly every single one of their games. He would've been directly responsible for these choices and has to be one of the people she is talking about. He's basically the guy you'd have to win over to get your game pitch approved, so everyone had to suck up to him.

Most execs in AAA games think that only two things can sell: Gruff bearded men (preferably holding guns) or sexy scantily clad ladies. It's why Elizabeth was removed from the boxart for Bioshock Infinite, it's why Sony pushed Naughty Dog really hard to remove Ellie from TLOU's original boxart ideas. It's why AC: Syndicate has Jacob front and center while Evie is cut off on the side and why Odyssey and Valhalla, despite giving player's choice over gender, feature the male version. It's why Mass Effect always had male Shepard on the front until ME3 offered a reversible cover. I do like that idea, actually, but if publishers do it they should commit and ship half the copies featuring one piece of art and half featuring the other, otherwise it's not meaningful, IMO. That presents problems for cover art for digital releases, I guess...

Here's Ken Levine explaining 2K's attempts at selling Bioshock Infinite to the dudebro gamers who live in frat houses, are avid "gamers" and have never heard of Bioshock before.

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Jul 21, 2020

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Hub Cat posted:

Looks like they were at Ubi from 2012-2016 so after FC3, they already ruled out SC:Blacklist so based on their Linkedin that leaves FC5, Primal, Black Flag:Freedom Cry DLC, Unity, Syndicate and the South Park game.

Oh gently caress, I bet it was Freedom Cry :(

Probably not, Freedom Cry was a Vita game at first and that thing doesn't have rumble. It may also not have been a project they were directly involved with, or an element of a game that got cancelled.

EDIT: Disregard that, I was confusing Liberation (the standalone Vita game) with Freedom Cry, so I guess it's possible.

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 21, 2020

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

"Game of Thrones just did it, we can do it even better - it'll be interactive!". I can imagine the meetings.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

and than they sucked even that out of it and made it some weird toothless sorta right wing cult with no real beliefs outside ISIS type crimes.

Yeah, exactly. The marketing wants you to think it's about that but in reality it's just a bunch of garbage that has no meaning except that the cultists were actually right and both endings has them coming out as winners.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Not what you're thinking of, I think, but there was a book written on the entire history of Nintendo pre-Famicom, like up to the 80s, that alleges Nintendo's original humble beginnings of manufacturing playing cards and game sets were propped up in some part by organized crime using those very same products for their gambling rings. They manufactured plenty of adult products, like sets based on Playboy centerfold photos. It's this, it's a good read. No ties to Yamauchi himself or his family, AFAIK. His heirs even relinquished their shares back to Nintendo due to inheritance tax or something.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Wicked Them Beats posted:

At best instead of articles like "Wow, Assassin's Creed is the best game of 20XX!! Blew me away! 10/10!" you'll get "Can Assassin's Creed redeem Ubisoft in the eyes of the fans? Well this is a good first step! 10/10!"

You know, I was browsing my YT feed and noticed a few videos from RPS that stood out.



This was all posted over the last week, so after the conference. I think it might be time to hit that unsubscribe button - I never watch their stuff anyway and the site's become worthless since John Walker left them. Maybe the videos all mention Ubisoft's latest wrongdoings, I don't know - the thumbnails look like whitewashing clickbait so I'm not gonna bother checking.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

baka kaba posted:

amazing

https://twitter.com/lizaledwards/status/1275483690408255488

special guest speaker on International Women's Day no less

Sounds like a bit from The Office. Of course those people exist in real life.

Zongerian posted:

The name 5 good French games challenge

Superman 64
Fort Boyard: Le Jeu
Urban Runner
Robinson's Requiem
Timecop

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jul 24, 2020

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

This seems a little too convenient.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

This is going to blow up in Rocksteady and WB's face so bad. It's a ticking time bomb right now.


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ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Ubisoft games aren't political, we've been over this. They said they aren't, so they can't be.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Remember that before they turned it into Siege, the Rainbow Six game Ubi was working on featured as the villains an evil "populist" movement who claimed to be striking back against Wall Street, with the concept trailer featuring them kidnapping a banker and forcing him to be a suicide bomber after they beat up his wife and threatened to murder his kid



Ah, yes, who can forget this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzaSC0aIwrI

TW: Home invasion, murder of innocents, etc. etc.

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Aug 29, 2020

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_43MPjVmc&t=75s

David Sears, Creative Director on Rainbow 6: Patriots posted:

I think it's really important for you to play from multiple perspectives, and as a player character you are sometimes encouraged to act certain ways by the main characters, but for us, I think, it's important that the players see how similar the terrorist leader and James Wolf [main 'good guy' R6 character, presumably] actually are in terms of personality and capability, and the questions we want people to ask is, "Could I be like that guy? Could I fully embrace what it takes to be a counter-terrorist in the face of new terrorism if it means being a lot like the terrorists themselves?"... so, I think we're gonna... we are exploring that.

NOT POLITICAL.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Dapper_Swindler posted:

i mean they have walked back on the whole "HURR NOT POLITICAL" thing since far cry 5 by a ton. i mean clint hocking is making watch dogs legion and he has a good track record of being openly political about stuff now they have to fix actual issues like their hosed up HR shitshow and rear end in a top hat sex monsters.

I know that Clint Hocking has talked about Brexit being the inspiration for the setting of Legion, and he does openly address politics as being part of the game's setting, but IMO Ubisoft is very much trying to walk the line and afraid to take sides.

Here's a fun official "interview" from June 2019 with Tommy Francois, VP of Editorial and one of the big Ubisoft execs that got recently outed:

quote:

Usually, when you're a spectator and you watch a movie, you will see one point of view per movie – maybe a few. We believe that games should offer a 360-degree view of life, should let people interact with all points of view.

And a quote that has aged like fine milk:

quote:

Do we have a line internally that we wouldn't ever cross in terms of presenting a side that we know is dicey? One where we know that there's not a really an experience worth exploring there?

TF: Generally, no. As we are building the game, in most instances, there tends to be self-censorship that we actually fight. My boss, Serge Hascoet, the CCO Chief Creative Officer for Ubisoft, has often told teams, "I have never had to censor you guys. You censor yourselves. Please push me and make us consider whether we should censor you, because it would be proof that you're saying things. And I'd rather have this problem."

(Serge Hascoet was also outed and fingers pointed at him for being the biggest obstacle for having female protagonists in their games, because he did not believe they would sell, so the idea that he was "NOT CENSORING" production teams is absolutely loving hilarious)

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

jimmydalad posted:

It’s a bit wild seeing people saying that “it’s just a fist” and that people are reaching hard for connections when they’re probably the same people who complain about politics in games if a character is gay or a woman has muscles.

Control just came out on Steam and in the first 48 hours I saw threads posted in the discussions complaining about the main character looking like Anita Sarkeesian, her unattractive manly jaw and "forcing female protagonists into games".

This poo poo is everywhere now, whenever a high profile game comes out the chuds always have salvos of the same tired talking points ready to fire.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Xarn posted:

Like, how do you do any part of that and think that is an ok thing to do?

It reads like something you'd find on onlyfans or other similar subscription services.

I've never clicked on an Achievement Hunter video in my life so I'm pretty insulated from this, but... yikes. This is the level of content they were producing, on YouTube, as a huge channel?

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

piratepilates posted:

I am honestly amazed that he did not just try to fade away completely without a peep and maybe come back years later with a new life as Nayr Doowyah, telling no one about his past life.

This doesn't seem like the kind of thing you apologize for and move on.

I"m sure he'll be running a moderately successful solo Twitch/YT channel like a couple of years from now. Maybe him and Nick Robinson can team up.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

His McDonalds DS game video has 3M+ views now. Ugh.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

https://twitter.com/cecianasta/status/1346166608910286849

cecilia d'anastasio posted this victim blaming, back-patting bullshit about the time she outright lied to a victim of sex abuse to get a good story, and ofc theres a ton of game journos and kotaku people circling the wagons.
Thankfully most of the replies I'm seeing there are people calling her out, not many supportive ones. The supportive ones of note are Brianna Wu (real tonedeaf) and a project manager at Blizzard.

Also Nathalie Lawhead is cool and good.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

I think this one is even better.

https://twitter.com/danielzklein/status/1346213398132924416

"Obviously I don't know what the gently caress I'm talking about because I haven't really looked into it but Cecilia acted professionally when I spoke to her once for an article and that's good enough for me, so clearly that must mean the source is a bad person and deserves your scorn"

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

gently caress SNEEP posted:

Classic Slytherin right there

The guy has Slytherin as his Twitter icon. A living self-parody.

https://twitter.com/Troylus_true/status/1358511757476651011

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Inzombiac posted:

That's not what I'm going for, sorry.
I'm saying that the most credible accusation we have so far is from someone that was close with them and we know them by name. I'm worried that she's going to get a lot of undue heat for this.

She obviously is, that isn't even a question at this point. If GG decides today or tomorrow that they're going to deny the accusations, there's gonna be hardcore fans that will immediately latch onto that.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

I am in awe at all of the people coming out to make sure everyone understands that this pattern of behavior definitely isn't grooming and you should ignore the inherent imbalance of power in a relationship between a YouTube gaming celebrity and an eager fan.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

whats with all the defenses of dan? dudes a loving weird creep going for specific age ranged girls because he is a gross gently caress who wants to have a hosed up controlling power dynamic so he can be a lecherious old gently caress and then throw them away and probably gas light them.

Yeah, the defenders are all over the gamegrumps and rantgrumps subs. The argument is basically always "number was high enough when sex happened so nothing bad to see here".

ErrEff fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 22, 2021

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

This is from nearly 3 years ago. Holy yikes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT8cX2-_7pQ

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Yeah, that's the thing that really gets to me. Even in the most generous possible reading, assuming all kinds of lessening factors that almost certainly aren't true, the guy is a loving sexual predator who lies to women in an effort to coax sex from them.

And yet some people are falling over each other to go to bat for this loving rear end in a top hat.

Yes, and they are mostly interested in debating the dictionary definition of the word "grooming". Feels like I've seen that somewhere before...

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

people love and demand simple narratives, and when 'dan game grumps is a literal pedophile as this subreddit proves' becomes false, it pivots to 'ah so the subreddit made it up to attack him because they love jontron so much, tut tut'

rather than the complex reality of 'dan game grumps is a creep who sexually manipulates and abuses young women but is not a pedophile, and of the many accusations of this one of them was posted to a shady reddit and was probably exaggerated'

The regular gamegrumps sub loves Jon too, as it features lots of links to his content, communities and Discord server - and he's in the banner art on a poster. Oh, those racist screeds? Just Jon being Jon, don't worry about it, something something black people are undeveloped something something gene pool getting polluted, whatever, who cares. LOL HE'S SO FUNNY.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

What a surprising non-apology.

quote:

“I stand by the fact that any interactions that took place of a sexual nature with the person in question were done so when she was 22 years old and we were both consenting adults,” Dan said. “To claim I engaged in any predatory behavior is simply untrue. I have made mistakes in the past, and I apologize if my actions or words ever made anyone upset, but those mistakes were never ill-intentioned, exploitative or illegal in any capacity.”

So I guess that's that then, case closed. Everyone can go back to watching their content as if nothing happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRysBZk6iQ

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Look, the funny man makes cool diaper jokes, I have to have my diaper jokes. Don't take them away from me.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

Endorph posted:

thanks, guy with a probe for posting revenge pics of his ex. i think you're very sincerely invested in this.

I was really wondering if this was gonna get brought up but I didn't want to be the one to do it. Thank you for your service.

Don't throw stones from glass cases, I guess.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

It's great to see people on Twitter and Reddit already focusing on the Yahoo mail stuff and "this isn't how he talks" instead of the actual content of the document.

Good going, all. Keeping it real.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

This in particular from a (former?) mod for Vinny's streams.

https://twitter.com/Charoncaori/status/1378128612101132290

(more in the thread and their subsequent tweets - not gonna embed it all here)

Another tweet from that same person posted:

Other stories I have aren't my place to share, but I don't know anyone in that google doc, was not made aware of the google doc beforehand or after it came out until I saw the twitter trending tags, and the behavior in the doc is familiar enough that I believe what I've read.

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ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

As I said earlier, people don't "just forget" about the nature of the relationship between internet personalities and the people who watch them, they are explicitly encouraged to develop parasocial relationships with them. That is a major feature of the business model because that is how monetization happens for the content creators who are largely dependent on people wanting to give them money for no reason. That is what media platforms encourage performers to cultivate because it increases viewer retention.

Giving content creators social power over their followers in the form of perceived relationships is by design. It is how the medium you watch sustains itself. It is what it is selling, that is the product.

It does depend on how active the personality is in general but people are encouraged and pushed towards following on multiple fronts of social media. Not everyone will necessarily do that everywhere but for many streamers, the "full course" means seeing them in your YouTube/Twitter/Instagram feeds, etc. - maybe even getting email updates via Patreon or Twitch notifications as well, perhaps also reading the fan subreddit. Constantly engaged, ideally.

Putting yourself out there in as many places as possible also means the various recommendation algorithms can get a better picture of audience trends and direct people towards you based on their preferences.

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