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ErrEff posted:Unless they're gonna frame it as "We're so happy those jerks are gone now, good riddance! No more sex pests at our company!". I'll take "Words that always and forever will age poorly" for $1000 please.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:oh yeah, we are all hosed in the head and its depressing. I think now any organization has to be aware that declaring the sex pests are gone or they say they eliminated sex pest culture are going to eat a huge pile of poo poo even possibly during the announcement when that is said. There must be entire PR courses on the language and diction to use regarding sex pests and corporate efforts to dislodge them that sounds great and proactive while still giving them cover for when it inevitably happens again.
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Famethrowa posted:wasn't she like 17-18? even if he thought she was technically of age....it's hard to believe anyone who targets teenagers is anything less then a lovely person. especially when they have the weird authority being internet famous gives you. The loving gross Smash Bros elite players were harassing teen female fans and getting nudes and poo poo sent to them. It's like becoming famous/powerful just unlocks a part of many people's brain where a major ambition is finding and sexually abusing vulnerable people.
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Sometimes people just make a public persona out of being a gross loving predator and it turns out in their private life they are a gross loving predator. It just goes to show that it doesn't matter how horny they are on main, how much of an ally they claim to be, or if they pretend to be above it all there's no stereotypical behavior you can just look at and say "oh yeah they definitely are/aren't a sexual predator" it literally runs the gamut of every possible personality and the only thing that should be shocking is that they got away with it for so long.
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Jesus that whole thing is a loving mess. Not even taking into account the idea that a 15 year old was repeatedly behaving in a predatory manner to win smash games but that the whole public accusation even came about from a third party pushing him to tell the story so said third party could benefit from Nairo getting cancelled.
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cheetah7071 posted:Yeah this seems like a good thread to try to keep on a narrow focus, given the topic It's actually relevant, but not the way it was presented. Smash Bros as a fighting community has always been the odd one out, with several stories of terrible behavior of both players and fans that seemed excessive even in the context of fighting game tournement communities. In July it started trickling out and very quickly many major figures in the Smash community had been accused of serious sexual crimes. quote:On July 1, a Smash player who goes by Puppeh wrote a Twitlonger post describing an alleged sexual relationship he had with Smash commentator Cinnamon “Cinnpie” Dunson when he was 14 and she was 24. On that same day, a player who goes by Mikey alleged on Twitter that Joey “Mr. Wizard” Cuellar, CEO and organizer for EVO, the largest fighting game tournament in the world, allegedly had him strip down to his underwear in exchange for game tokens when he was a minor. (Since then, at least one woman has come out alleging that Mikey sexually harassed her.) It's still going on more or less, recently Nairo sued CaptainZack alleging Zack raped him while he was asleep and filmed it to then later use to blackmail him into the relationship. pentyne fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Nov 21, 2020 |
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Ariong posted:I haven’t watched it yet but the description makes this sound 1000x more nuts than when Spacey did it. I can't imagine a more effective way to ensure you never get hired for VA work ever again.
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Endorph posted:theres brianna wu using the phrase 'probably acted ethically' funny thing about ethics really, if you have to guess about it you can be sure it's not ethical.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:I really do wonder where Kotaku gets its credibility from, honestly Especially since its descended from the same culture as "gawker" the "lol the judge can get hosed were publishing this sex tape" and the big brain exec who felt comfortable under oath saying they'd publish a sex tape of a 7 year old if it was deemed of significant interest. Peter thiel bankrolling Hulk Hogan to sue Gawker into oblivion is a unfortunate case of using the courts in a personal vendetta but the outcome being overall positive.
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His comment about "closing the ranks" hits pretty hard because its the exact same mentality that creates these cases in the first place. Many of these games journos posting are clearly saying "well I haven't looked into it but I believe my peer" which is pretty reprehensible from a basic journalism ethics standpoint. It's not even like theres lack of evidence or ambiguity, she is more or less proud of what she did and is dismissing the feelings of an abuse victim.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Not really in the same ballpark at all but the "Monster Hunter is colonialism" thing was really weird too. There's a good line about how trans and queer creators are worried about using elements of their personal struggles in developing something for fear of being accused of x-phobia over it. Waypoint's examples listed in that medium article really feel like trying to speed run their woke credentials. Acerbatus posted:I don't really get the red string thing but who the hell thought that fanfic thing was a good idea The stated intention, create fictional situations to discuss overtly sexualized video game characters is a good one but not in the sense of it being some extreme fetish poo poo. All satire walks a fine line but that reads like it might've been actual fanfic they figured they could dress up as social commentary just by putting it on a news website. Ibram Gaunt posted:The redstrings thing is just an example of that poisonous "woke" mentality that depiction is endorsement and that you can't show any sort of bad or morally grey thing since people might think its good, or whatever. Its stupid. It's a problem because good faith arguments are viable until you dig into someone's public posting find what they really think. Doorkickers 2 had the word "haji" inscribed on a weapon and argued that it's period accurate to the early 2000s war on terror. While not technically wrong, the same people who put that in the game also say some pretty gross stuff about Islam in general in public postings, so historically accurate or not its definitely done in a mean spirit. pentyne fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jan 6, 2021 |
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Nairo's back. Legal stuff got settled and Alpharad and other content creators are vouching for him. Kind of insane for the SSB community to generate both some of the most hosed up accusations of grooming and also the one case where the minor was the actual predator. Hope that guys life is back on track, the settlement is hopefully favorable to him to allow him to shut down any more wild allegations from capt Zack. I really hope it kills that SSB culture where a lot of young teens are always hanging around grown adults in the 20s-30s and sharing hotel rooms and poo poo.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:Looks like one of the GameGrumps dudes (not Egoraptor, the other one) is a creep. Obviously, allegations, I'm not a court of law, etc. etc., but there's video proof, so it seems difficult to dispute: https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/m9yr2g/video_evidence_of_the_dan_accusations/ r/rantgrumps is like the Project Veritas of the fandom. The post is really unclear if he was grooming her or anything, the timestamps say the sext stuff was 4 years after she turned 18 with no indication that he was sending that stuff before that. The story is framed to make it seem like the girl being under 18 when she first contacted him is proof of something that it isn't. It looks like the most obvious story is he's been chatting & meeting up with younger adult female fans and having consensual sexual encounters with them, then ignoring them on social media. It's pretty lovely to do that and just ghost them afterwards, but absent any underage stuff, harassment, or coercion it doesn't move the needle on lovely guy behavior. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Endorph posted:a grown-rear end man chatting with a 17 year old and then immediately pivoting to sexts when shes 18 is weird, actually. Like I said, that's how its presented but the gap between "happy 18th birthday" in 2013 and the hot tub sext is 4 years. It's not clear if there was anything before that, just the video and the text from 2018 as proof.
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ImpAtom posted:Genuine question: Are you defending this because you genuinely believe what you're saying or are you defending it because your first impulse is "the person I like can't possibly be a bad person.' No I clearly stated he seems like a scumbag trying to bang technically legal adults, saying or doing what he can to get them to meet up then ghost them the moment he gets what he wants. Assuming good faith he responded to tons of random fans messages being sociable and nice (highly unlikely) he still developed an ongoing relationships with a teenage fan for the eventual purpose of eventually having sex then cutting them of. Her being 17 and 11 months or 18 and 0 months when he started a dialogue doesn't really make a difference for how hosed up it is. I was thinking back to the Ryan Haywood, where he was specifically meeting up with minors to have sex with them, and how this seems similar but not to the same predatory level in terms of grooming and abusing yet. It's really just splitting hairs at a certain point and the underlying motivation seems the same, so time will tell what else he's done.
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Buckwheat Sings posted:All Arin cares about is the bottom line. If they can survive this legally then that's the road he's going to take regardless if its the right one or not. kind of lol for people making GBS threads on him for any ad stuff as selling out when he's more or less become a corporate entity who lives and dies by the quarterly numbers. if the past issue with their editor is comparable, they're gonna pretend like nothing happened for days/weeks, eventually post a massive screed on reddit with a defense against the allegations, and then never talk about it again.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what did the editor do? because this feels somewhat harder to defend. bunch of gross public tweets, like tweeting at underage jacob sartorious that he wanted dick pics
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Acerbatus posted:How the hell did projared bounce back? When the other person involved is a women in gaming who did some different "bad things" guess where the outrage gets 100% re-directed?
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Terrible Opinions posted:Hell going to prison for literal murder hasn't eliminated all the Varg stans. Ted Bundy got loads of fanmail up to, during, and after his conviction for the rape, torture, and murder of 30+ young women. The descriptions of what he did to his victims made me almost throw up, and women threw themselves at him regardless.
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RareAcumen posted:Oh he was already posting in here beforehand. Nevermind then, I thought someone shined the 'Defend the internet funnyman from any criticism at all costs' spotlight to summon him into this thread. That spotlight must have a knock-on effect of also summoning guys who post pics of their ex girlfriend while telling a bunch of gross sex stories about her for internet cred. Just baffling that somehow those two would overlap, totally unexpected.
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kirbysuperstar posted:Christ I had no idea about the JewWario thing They 'fired' him in 2013 after learning about the rape, didn't say anything, and then 5 years later when ex employees dumped the dirt on CA admitted they knew about it and let him resign in dignity and keep quiet about it.
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VostokProgram posted:How are these people not dead/imprisoned??? Like I know the justice system is all kinds of hosed but if there's videotapes how is that not open and shut Usually skin color of the victims is also a factor.
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Heran Bago posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/mddtax/former_smash_brothers_professional_content/ As with all 'hot takes' on cancel culture, the easiest response is "okay, so what's your alternative?" There's never going to be a response that isn't some form of "well, nothing, he shouldn't face consequences" Also, given that reddit just had a massive 'protest' against the new admin because of her connection to 2 different pedophiles who was successfully 'cancelled' I would bet money that 100% of the commenters pulling the "but cancel culture bad" card were just calling for blood for that reddit hire two days ago. pentyne fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Mar 26, 2021 |
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I checked that thread and it was very much mixed, but then again it's Reddit, so I suppose it could be worse. For both of them the accusations as a whole were true and they admitted to it. Avidan got away relatively clean by admitting the sexual encounters happened but said they were 100% consensual and apologized for any hypothetical mistakes, which shifted the narrative away from the issues of his love-bombing & ghosting behavior. I'm not sure why Avellone is mentioned, as he basically bunkered down in an alt-right gaming website after being run out of everywhere else, and has admitted to everything he did, albeit crying for sympathy claiming it was because of his alcoholism. Of all the gaming icons to stan for he went from all time greatest to washed up wet brain rear end in a top hat in the space of a few years, and it's 100% because his behavior caught up with him.
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Pollyanna posted:I mean, it depends on what the accusations are. Being paranoid and not wanting word to get out about your hookups is significantly different from chasing teenagers, grooming people, and stalking your flings. Striking up a rapport with someone who has a huge emotional and personal attachment to you as a performer, being sweet and emotional to them constantly, talking about how special and great they are, talking about love and deep connections, finally having sex with them, and then blocking/ignoring them on all social media afterwards? Yeah, that's absolutely worth mentioning. That's something that if anyone does is a immensely lovely thing to do to a person, much less a celeb doing it to his fans.
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Somfin posted:Yeah, moving the focus from a creepy behaviour warning to a legality technicality meant that a bunch of people were like "well I guess he's fine and the allegations were all faked" as opposed to "drat Dan's kinda hosed up and now I don't want to listen to him talk about sex anymore." The og twitter post dropping the big words "grooming" and "pedophilia" was what made the allegation take off like a rocket in the first place, once those weren't true all the actual issues were completely ignored. The twitter crowd wants big flashy scandals at the expense of sanity, so one of the first attempts to pivot was "well, a 20 year old can't really consent to sex with a celeb" which fell extremely flat and sort of ended the online discussion in most places. Now the "technically legal" argument is going to be the defacto line used to shut down any accusers if they aren't alleging something underage, or physical/sexual abuse.
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Endorph posted:this is just straight up not the thread for handwringing about 'what if that guy who lied to a woman for sex just wasnt feeling it, yknow, thats not necessarily malicious' and i dont know why people keep choosing to make it into it. like, yeah, maybe sometimes you have a point. the thread about people being sexually assaulted isnt a good jumping off point for your sermon on the mount about it, tho. Defining manipulative is pretty easy. Can you make a good faith explanation for went on if it wasn't manipulative, and how many discrete times would you have to assume good faith for someone's behavior? When n>1 the chances of it being manipulative increase exponentially as n increases.
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Every time there's a false accusation it's gonna get like 100x more attention in media terms because people love to read about liars and scammers eating a big bowl of poo poo. A common drama TV trope is a couple in the middle of a divorce making accusations against the other party to gently caress up their lives in order to "win" the divorce. Concocting a bunch of if/then hypotheticals for both outcomes and pretending like it doesn't really matter is a real disservice to the actual victims, because you're implying that it doesn't matter whether or not they lie or tell the truth.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:The issue is not "false rape accusations." The issue is the culture and ideology surrounding assault and abuse. It is still incredibly hard for victims to get their voices heard and believed because society at large does not want to hear them and will find any excuse they can to not hear them. Certain people take advantage of this status quo for their own personal benefit, which makes it even harder for victims. Any kids growing up in the 80s or 90s will remember being told that the only real dangerous people were going to be strangers coming up to you on the street trying to convince you to get into their car. Predators and pedophiles looked like creepy single dudes in large jackets, prowling around the malls and parking lots looking to snatch stray kids. We as a society have been pretty firmly convinced for decades that the harmful agents were going to come from outside the community, not within, so in general accusers face a massive uphill battle to be heard and believed. I'm sure if you asked victims of child sex abuse in that era what the response was when they accused someone, like a local pastor or the next door neighbor, the most common answer would be that they were beaten for lying about it. God forbid they believed you, you were still poo poo out of luck if the abuser was the son of the local sheriff, or the HS sports star, because either good boys didn't do things like that or the cops wouldn't dare make consequences for their boss' family.
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Somfin posted:It's been really fun watching folks who would normally complain about people taking poo poo out of context posting a screenshot of the titles to the sections of her video and claiming, based purely on that list and a self-righteous desire to not engage with the content they're complaining about, that she's complaining about cancel culture and is now a member of the alt-right or some similar bullshit She basically caught the attention of YA author twitter, a region of twitter so toxic that prison gangs would look at it and say "woah, that is seriously hosed up". Everything from that point on was doomed to be a ton of bad faith attacks against her and there's really no outcome that improves that situation.
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Studio posted:It's very possible that if he's trying to maximize his skillset of YouTuber with live event experience that he's getting knocked down. That said, no sympathy because if you have a job in the most public facing position of games, maybe you shouldn't run a scam and also rape house. You've kind of hit the nail on the head. These people don't want to admit their fall from grace happened and just work a quiet job and live a quiet life, they want everything back and they want the people who 'embarrassed' them to eat a big bowl of public poo poo.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:In non-Smash news, Chris Avelone's suing the woman who first accused him, and is claiming that it was all a vendetta against him. Little to no mention of the other accusations he received including a screenshot of a sexually harassing message he sent. gonna be hard when there's reams of his own admissions of how often he was a drunken gross rear end in a top hat to women. feels like this is step one into his full blown chud transformation to "sjws ruined gaming"
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Kchama posted:Just in case you couldn't believe Chis Avellone's lawyers couldn't be dumber... What am I looking at? I'm not gonna read what appears to be 20-30k words about how some sjw lying whore is trying to ruin him. I'm guessing he at best admits to a ton of fault and at worst completely invalidates his own case with his social media ranting. The fact he even wrote more words besides "I'm going to seek legal remedies against a false accusation" makes me assume this is some Ty Beard-esque legal thing where the lawyer who's taking his money is like a estate planning specialist and is now representing him in a private lawsuit for slander/defamation.
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OwlFancier posted:Isn't the only one of those who wasn't a creep james charles? Like, technically? He had a habit of flirting pretty aggressively with straight men he was interested but no on ever accused him of anything more then being an annoying creep. The drama was around some IG/influencer spat over make-up brands and it kind of fizzled out. The real sex creep was Jeffree Star who ran in similar circles. Also, the Holowka thing was like the perfect storm to kick off GG 2.0 Electric Boogaloo given it feature chud enemy no. 1 Zoe Quinn, and it flopped completely as literally everyone connected to Holowka said "yeah, this is true and I was aware or experienced serious abuse coming from him" including his own family. edit: Didn't know about the James Charles sexting. Honestly those influencer spats dominate the news cycle for these people to such an insane degree unless you follow them you don't hear about the sex crimes. https://www.thecut.com/article/james-charles-allegations-and-accusations-explained.html quote:On April 1, 21-year-old beauty influencer and controversy magnet James Charles released an apology video in response to allegations that he exchanged inappropriate messages with minors. In the video, titled “holding myself accountable,” Charles shifts away from his former tactic of denying any wrongdoing, and instead says that after spending time “researching these topics” and self-reflecting, he realized that he (and only he) was to blame for the interactions. He admits to having “engaged in a flirty conversation” with two 16-year-olds, once last year and once more recently — though he stands by his claim that in both situations, he was told that the other person was 18 and believed them. “I fully understand my actions and how they were wrong,” he concludes. quote:Previously, he’s been accused of inappropriate comments and tweets, and of bragging about using his celebrity to coerce straight men into romantic relationships. quote:In October 2018, Shawn Mendes went on Instagram Live to show off his juggling abilities, and Charles commented on the livestream, writing “Can you juggle me like that?” Pretty soon afterwards, Mendes ended the livestream. Fans speculated that Mendes ended it because Charles’s comment made him uncomfortable and pointed to a report that theorized Mendes had privately told fans he disliked Charles because of the “weird poo poo” the influencer commented on his posts. quote:She alleged in her video that Charles regularly goes after straight men with the intention of manipulating their sexuality. “You tried to trick a straight man into thinking he’s gay, yet again, and somehow you’re the victim,” she said. “You’re using your fame, your power, and your money to play with people’s emotions.” Westbrook then recounted a birthday dinner in Seattle, attended by Charles, where she said he had made sexual comments about a waiter and joked that the waiter’s sexuality didn’t matter because “I’m a celebrity.” quote:Multiple underage boys started posting stories about Charles, primarily on TikTok. In January, Charles tweeted vaguely that social media apps “should have stronger policies about spreading false information … it’s actually insane how one person can fake a story or screenshot for clout.” It’s unclear what, exactly, he was referencing. quote:In February, a 16-year-old boy, Isaiyah, accused Charles of grooming him in a pair of TikToks, claiming the influencer had sent him nude photos and requests to send photos in return. The TikToks circulated widely before being deleted for violating guidelines, and Charles immediately responded with a notes app statement denying the allegation, and saying that the boy had lied about his age. Isaiyah replied to the statement, saying Charles had never asked for his age: quote:Then, at the end of March, two more 16-year-old boys shared screenshots of messages they said they received from Charles. In the first, Charles seemingly accused the boy of lying about his age, and was upset with him for sharing screenshots of their conversation in his story. The now-deleted second TikTok seemingly shows screenshots of inappropriate snaps Charles sent to the boy. quote:In the wake of Charles’s apology, more than 15 people have come forward to accuse him of inappropriate sexual advances and/or grooming, with allegations circulating primarily on Twitter and TikTok. Many of Charles’s past public online interactions have also been scrutinized in a new light — including the resurfacing of a comment he made asking then-15-year-old influencer Weston Koury whether he shaves his legs — and others have come forward with what they perceive as evidence that further validates the existing allegations. pentyne fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Jul 19, 2021 |
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Tendales posted:Cool to barge into a thread screaming about how gamers never deliberately drove anyone to suicide, less than a month after Near died. most cases like this is 99% projection
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Wanderer posted:What struck me as weird about the thing with Dan Avidan is that there is, for whatever reason, a subreddit with over 27,000 subscribers that is entirely dedicated to making GBS threads on Game Grumps. They jumped into that whole thing with both feet, which effectively tainted the well. It was like the 4th attempt to go after him, and the only reason this one went so viral it was framed as he was talking to her while she was underage and groomed, which fell apart pretty fast under scrutiny and then people ignored the actual problems with his behavior. Everything else about the story was true, the love-bombing, build-up, then ghosting after sex, admitted by him and someone posting claiming to be the women who sent the original video along as proof she knew Dan. It just all occurred after she passed the magic age line that made it legal. There's been a pretty consistent drip of women saying similar things about him according to the subreddit it just never reached the level of sex pest, but god drat does Rantgrumps really loving hate him for replacing Jontron 8 years ago.
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Heran Bago posted:Absolutely! But it doesn't help anyone to say that they have heard stories over the years and done nothing. Like why would you even say that? "Heard stories" is a huge difference from "approached as a member of the media to give statements about the matter" Bringing up journalistic ethics with this specific video game journo is a bit of an lol but unless several people approached him specifically to try and get the word out about the working conditions he's not really in a place to report or say anything without possibly outing them or costing them their jobs. Saying "yes I believe these accusations, I've heard about them" is good for the discourse, but coming from him it's more of a clout chasing moment.
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Hub Cat posted:Oh wow, Avellone's position is even worse than I realized I did not think they could contest the jurisdiction and recover fees with the antislapp. One of the highlights of the Avellone case was that not only did he then make a ton of public statements confirming the encounters happened he filed in a extremely bad jurisdiction for a SLAPP case. There's a reason people always file those things in like East Texas or wherever because its the region where the law is vastly more favorable to SLAPP lawsuits.
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