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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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rkajdi posted:

This is like saying middle Americans are forgiven for voting in Trump because they're getting squeezed. Nope, if your options are fascism or taking the L, you don't get forgiven for taking the route that saves your skin but dooms lots of more deserving folks.

And sorry, it's a complete win that women don't have to tie themselves to mediocre men anymore. Why should anyone have to settle for someone they are better off emotionally, financially, and socially without just to check the relationship box? Giving women the option to nope out of the dating pool if their only options are losers is a net human benefit, even if the losers get screwed.

It's weird how extreme contrarianism leads to an unintentional recreation of the chad/melvin/stacy philosophy from redpillers.

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Ariong posted:

Y I K E S

The only Nicalis game I've played is BoI: Rebirth. Unfortunately, it's one of my favorite games. There's plenty of juvenile (and in my opinion not funny) humor in it, but now I'm combing my brain trying to think if any of it is actually, well, like that.

Nicalis doesn't develop anything. They're just a (terrible, incompetent) publisher.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Hasn't he been in controversy before? I think I already knew he was a massive creep for some reason, or I mixed him up with someone else.

I don't think Mike Z was ever infamous for sex creeping, just his notoriously loud and bad fighting game opinions. Uh, until now.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Hey they stuck to their principles, of sex creepin'.

Discendo Vox posted:

It ironically had a relatively good reputation, (for the fighting games scene, anyways) for that set of changes. Famed NB furry pro gamer Sonicfox was recently given a cameo, that sort of thing.

Mike Z (the subject of this whole mess) is responsible for literally every aspect of the game other than the actual art and animation, so yeah there was this funny ironic image that despite being the head of The Horniest Game the guy himself was just some weird nerd with incredibly specific and idiosyncratic options on Marvel vs Capcom 2 and grapplers. Oh well.

mycot fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jul 1, 2020

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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VostokProgram posted:

God forbid an artist be horny towards their own character

You have to admit your own character getting molested for losing a round is not the best look for this thread.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Acerbatus posted:

Ah, so we're back to this part of the skullgirls discourse.

horny art: As bad as sexual assault, or worse?


Can we please keep the conversation of 'is horny bad or not' in another thread and keep this one focused on actual harm being done to people?

I'll concede that whether Skullgirls was good or not has nothing to do with the issue.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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(Insert Ned Flanders as the devil saying it's always the one you least expect)

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Infinity Gaia posted:

The sooner you understand that literally every human being on this planet is awful to some degree the happier you'll be. Well, that's a lie, you won't be happy at all, but it makes it a lot easier to go through life in a sort of haze of apathy.

To a degree I think maybe it's actually healthier to not have expectations for a creator's personal character based entirely on parasocial engagement with their work. (Easier said than done, I know).

That said when it comes to literal pedophiles there should be more appropriate consequences bigger than being shunned on twitter.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Sonicfox's whole thing was getting into the scene when they were extremely young so they pretty much have no window to be the predator in this situation (compared to being one of the disadvantaged).

mycot fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jul 3, 2020

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Fair Bear Maiden posted:

SonicFox is non-binary and uses they/them pronouns, by the way. Figure you probably just didn't know, but useful to know going forward if you talk about them!

My mistake, even though I've already been quoted I'll edit.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I've never heard of the guy despite being somewhat close to one of the Melty hubs of the world (Georgia :v:), but I kinda desperately hope no one else knew him either on any level other than playing video games together* because seriously what the gently caress.

* Yes I know the story itself dashes my hopes

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Zas posted:

yeah i remember when that went down, no one seemed to look at it from deborah's perspective. it was all about the "cucking". sick poo poo


edit: and i dont mean reddit or whatever, i mean THESE forums

Yeah ngl goons ate that poo poo up and it looked super deranged even at the time, which is why the speedrunning threads got like 3 different degrees of quarantined off.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Dias posted:

As someone that followed the GDQ threads and the speedrunning one at the time, I think most people just heard of it thru the grapevine, the framing was "young Mormon couple that 'chose to wait' went to GDQ, girl got drunk, cheated on guy", and there wasn't really any counter-narrative to that or implications that she couldn't consent or whatever. Apparently it was way more hosed up than young people making dumb relationship choices, so welp.

Also the threads didn't get quarantined off, what the gently caress are you talking about? The chat thread was killed for completely different reasons years after the whole debacle.

Idk I remember that the cucking spam got so bad that when GDQ came around there needed to be a GDQ chat thread and a GDQ chat thread (normie version)

Nobody involved ever considered the woman to be a person, including the people pointing and laughing.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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It's pretty messed up to dismiss someone's sincere reaction to something everyone agrees is gross at best in a thread that is supposed to be sympathetic to people being open.

Infinity Gaia posted:

I can't think of anywhere besides maybe a porn convention where those ahegao hoodies would actually be acceptable and even then I'm pretty sure they'd be considered weird. I have no idea why those things were even made.

The point of stuff like that is to push boundaries for fun, which in itself is probably pretty telling of why the convention/tournament scene is as unfortunate as it is.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Lazy_Liberal posted:

I don't really know much about fighting games but I read that post about the sky person's household and it gave me flashbacks to a thousand radical punk houses where one dude's parents owns the house so he emotionally/sexually abuses everyone paying $200/mo for shelter.

Someone said the Sky house is a perfect example of what people will put up with for housing in LA and that's not even really a joke tbh.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I'm not going to skim through discord drama who is the anime character that they're insanely attached to.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Tbh I haven't played a game with what I thought to be exceptionally bad writing for fiction in a long time, Ubisoft is just exceptionally bad and immature (and for what reason, it turns out).

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Dias posted:

Why do I get the feeling that the people going "it's okay to just make general statements about an entire country's population" are all Americans?
.

I hope you realize the irony of this phrase.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Der Shovel posted:

That guy shound’t make ”it’s OK to say X because people don’t get killed because of X” arguments.

Surely you can't think that the amount of a black people killed over stereotypes is comparable to the French in examples you made up? This whole thing is a pendantic argument.

Edit: the detail was over Ubisoft Montreal so really it's the Canadians who should be getting dragged

mycot fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 23, 2020

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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ACES CURE PLANES posted:

Personally I don't wish Ellis the best in light of the whole 'browbeat and wrote out someone who was sexually assaulted by someone else in ellis' social circle' bit but hey.

If you are talking about the Toddintheshadows thing going on in the Rapidly Going Deaf thread there is a lot questionable about that case, but this is going way off topic from video games.

edit: If nothing else I do think it's true the internet is weirdly fixated on Lindsay Ellis's life over literally anyone else. I don't even know how this started.

mycot fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 25, 2021

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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It's possible for someone to realize something was sexual assault later on after the fact but communicating it through nudge nudge wink wink subtweets for years is not a great start.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Hat Thoughts posted:

Look @ all the ppl responding to this lawsuit - with their real names & accounts - explaining similar situations and verifying their experience. And he didn't even think to try to get anyone to do the same thing anonymously? What is the point of being an "INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER" if u have absolutely no interest in investigating or reporting?

tbf it is probably specifically the state lawsuit that makes people feel like it's safer to come out. It's not like people are chomping at the bit to get blacklisted for life.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah but he could be pushing that substantial investigation, and it doesn't really feel like he was. Reporters can have anonymous sources. The state took two years because they have to win a lawsuit. A good investigative journalism piece takes work and time for sure, but was he?

I mean we're just doing backseat reporting in retrospect, it's easy for us to do. Is it immoral and cowardly for a source/victim to not want to speak up?

The Blizzard Deaththread is also discussing this and the full story is sad and disturbing.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Hat Thoughts posted:

TW for basically every sort of abuse
https://twitter.com/rivalerose/status/1444019711662907397
fight knight guy total scumbag unredeemable

'well this Boen guy sounds like he'd be infuriating to know and was a horrible partner, but I'm not sure if it's under this thread's topic' and then I got to point 14

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Endorph posted:

one of the corroborating statements is from someone whos literally never tweeted until now and is currently yelling at randos on twitter

Hat Thoughts posted:

Trying to muddy the waters is one thing, ignoring 99% of allegations in favor of having a 0-follower/0-tweet anonymous twitter account state stuff like

I feel like this guy doesn't know the concept of plausibility

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