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I've got a sweet and spicy brew for the thread today; https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3504016#paper BW Clerics started as meme-deck I wanted to spin for fun because I liked the card Orah. Ironically, once I got a few games in and realized it actually felt like a real deck, it became apparent pretty quick that Orah is not actually a good card. The rest of the deck is dope though. Speaker of the Heavens has grossly over-performed. I've been genuinely shocked at how many angels I've made. This deck hits that aggro deck sweet spot where virtually every threat demands an answer, starting with your one drops, so you really tax your opponents' early turns and can run away with the game if they kept a hand light on removal. Village Rites helps dodge exile-based removal and keep your graveyard engine going, and it has a secret line of text occasionally that says "counter both halves of a Bonecrusher Giant" which has been very good. You will clown on red decks and Gruul decks, they just can't keep up with the life gain. I'm currently working my way through diamond with this list. It's certainly a first-ish draft and isn't fully optimized, especially the board, but the potential is definitely there. Overall, would highly recommend giving it a shot, it's a lot of fun to play.
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Hell yeah. I actually have three Agadeem's Awakenings because I can't not click the mythics in draft even when I know they won't help me. Kinda eager for a return on investment.
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Historic Fall 2020 Season: Or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying about Teferi And Learned To Love Embercleave I've literally never been high on a mono red deck in any format before unless you count Daretti Stax and that is a brown deck that splashes red for its commander.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:Historic Fall 2020 Season: Or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying about Teferi And Learned To Love Embercleave I don't think I've played a deck without BTE since they un-suspended it, and I've never been happier.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:Historic Fall 2020 Season: Or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying about Teferi... I've been able to modify my white green deck to gently caress with mill decks now. A few wilts and heloids have taken care of the normal Teferi decks... Now they have moved to rogue decks and I hate it.
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It's kinda funny how ZenithFlare.dec with no Zendicards added is still owning people in Diamond 3 Are there any new innovations in Zendikar for the deck, besides crafting 4 of the RW flipland?
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Zero VGS posted:It's kinda funny how ZenithFlare.dec with no Zendicards added is still owning people in Diamond 3 Shatterskull smashing is pretty free.
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Oct 28, 2020 18:50
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I need more Lithoform Engines. I have such a stupid brew for Mono-Green mill in Historic, using Gaea's Blessing + The Binding of the Titans, but it really needs to make Binding copies to really be reliable.
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SalTheBard posted:Decklist? Deck 17 Mountain (ANB) 114 4 Shock (M21) 159 4 Spikefield Hazard (ZNR) 166 4 Magmatic Channeler (ZNR) 148 4 Scorching Dragonfire (ELD) 139 1 Shatterskull Smashing (ZNR) 161 4 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 115 1 Phoenix of Ash (THB) 148 4 Slaying Fire (ELD) 143 1 Valakut Awakening (ZNR) 174 2 Irencrag Feat (ELD) 127 4 Tectonic Giant (THB) 158 3 Brash Taunter (M21) 133 2 Chandra, Heart of Fire (M21) 135 1 Ox of Agonas (THB) 147 3 Fiery Emancipation (M21) 143 1 Castle Embereth (ELD) 239 ---- It works pretty well in Platinum. So far the only thing I struggle with is Ugin decks. I added the Castle Embereth myself, the original list didn't have any. I'd probably add one more if I had it. Here's how I've been playing it: Early turns are usually a Channeler, then plink whatever they put on the board. Best T4 play is Irencrag into Emancipation, then T5 Chandra or Brawler. Target your own brawler to triple damage, which gets tripled again when brawler resolves. Tectonic Giants are way valuable and can cover both poor hands ~or~ small blockers. A+ card.
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Zero VGS posted:It's kinda funny how ZenithFlare.dec with no Zendicards added is still owning people in Diamond 3 More fliplands, so you can cast the off color cards without having taplands. There was someone running cycling in the tournament last weekend.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VgkHAuIjQ Lots of folks seemed to really like Big Red, Day 9 has been spamming his version. 4 Solemn Simulacrum (M21) 239 13 Mountain (ZNR) 277 4 Valakut Exploration (ZNR) 175 2 Chandra, Heart of Fire (M21) 135 4 Yidaro, Wandering Monster (IKO) 141 4 Fiery Emancipation (M21) 143 4 Irencrag Feat (ELD) 127 3 Sundering Stroke (ELD) 144 4 Shatterskull Smashing (ZNR) 161 4 Spikefield Hazard (ZNR) 166 3 Crawling Barrens (ZNR) 262 4 Bonecrusher Giant (ELD) 115 2 Valakut Awakening (ZNR) 174 2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (M21) 1 3 Slaying Fire (ELD) 143 Sideboard 1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon (M21) 1 4 Scorching Dragonfire (ELD) 139 4 Phoenix of Ash (THB) 148 4 Mazemind Tome (M21) 232 2 Storm's Wrath (THB) 157 I'm personally going to test 2 Cragfeat and 2 Tyrant because I love that card
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I resolved ECD like four times in a draft game and still lost.
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sit on my Facebook posted:I've got a sweet and spicy brew for the thread today; I'll give this a go, it's not too far from what I've tried but I wanted to make Nullpriest of Oblivion work and didn't have the aura/equipment angle. Came to the same conclusion on Orah. Embrace seems good for rogues.
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i managed to take that red deck i posted earlier to diamond 4. i'm pretty happy with that, especially since this is my first season playing ranked in arena. can't imagine trying to climb to mythic though, platinum felt tough enough
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I don't know if any of you watch CovertGoBlue (CGB) on Youtube, but holy poo poo the video he released today has a really incredible game in it. It's a 30 minute game between Yorion Control (CGB) and Rogues that is a really compelling watch.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I'll give this a go, it's not too far from what I've tried but I wanted to make Nullpriest of Oblivion work and didn't have the aura/equipment angle. Came to the same conclusion on Orah. Embrace seems good for rogues. I was on nullpriest at first as well but it's less exiting when you're paying 6 to reanimate 1- or 2-drops. I want my nullpriest buying back, like, elder gargaroth or something. Embrace and Maul granting flying is indeed super clutch against Rogues, and also the gruul Embercleave deck/various green based aggro is really squishy to flying
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I am not good at drafting apparently. After being not good for a bit here, I decided to log one. Can anyone tell me where I've gone awry? https://www.17lands.com/draft/8a5668ac395f498aaace8dfecd415a5f
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Oct 29, 2020 02:18
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The Great Henge is actually a much stupider and more unfun card than Embercleave imho. Whoever designed it should be given a big old swirly
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Ben Nevis posted:I am not good at drafting apparently. After being not good for a bit here, I decided to log one. Can anyone tell me where I've gone awry? P1P1 Jace is good, probably better than Sparkmage P1P9 Maybe this is a big RW signal but the power level of two Clerics of Life's Bond and Attended Healer is far greater than your red cards. Even if Black wasn't open, the gold clerics are so good I'd be happy to put the blinders on and force Wb. I really liked where the deck was heading in the P1P2 -> P1P5 sequence. You had 6 playables in BW at the end of pack 1 and that gives a pretty decent chance of making playables since W was wide open. P2P2 I'd pick Blood Beckoning here. Rockslide Sorcerer doesn't really slot into RW that well. P2P3 Emeria Captain is better than Relic Robber in RW and fits into BW P3P1 and P3P2 you pick up Clerics cards but pass up the gold card in P3P3. Just pick a lane and stick to it. Granted there wasn't anything in P3P1 but there are a few cards I would have picked over P3P2 Attended Healer in RW. P3P5 Sejiri Shelter P3P6 Sneaking Guide is fine, you're never playing 2 Smites and you really want to play 0. It feels to me like you're drafting based on colours and not archetypes. Putting the BW vs RW decisions aside you spent fairly important picks on cards that don't fit into the RW archetypes (P2P2 Rockslide Sorcerer, P2P3 Relic Robber, P3P2 Attended Healer).
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boo_radley posted:Deck This is a very fun deck, thanks for sharing it.
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SalTheBard posted:I don't know if any of you watch CovertGoBlue (CGB) on Youtube, but holy poo poo the video he released today has a really incredible game in it. It's a 30 minute game between 2 Yorion Control Decks that is a really compelling watch. Match 2 Game 2 where he's up against Rogues and wins with zero cards in his library is one of the craziest matches I've ever seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyrjC8gUNwE
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Fish Of Doom posted:Match 2 Game 2 where he's up against Rogues and wins with zero cards in his library is one of the craziest matches I've ever seen. One of the most compelling games I've watched. So loving awesome.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:The Great Henge is actually a much stupider and more unfun card than Embercleave imho. Whoever designed it should be given a big old swirly I'm not sure. Henge at least gives you a chance to find an answer within a turn or two, generally. Embercleave is, as often as not, an immediate "I win" button.
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It's pretty easy to see Embercleave coming. Counterspelling it is hilarious. Embercleave is a sudden killing blow; the Henge is a value engine that you usually have a turn or two to answer.
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Ben Nevis posted:I am not good at drafting apparently. After being not good for a bit here, I decided to log one. Can anyone tell me where I've gone awry? P1P1: Disagree with Wei, i've never seen Jace do anything unless the other person has a terrible draw. P1P11: Teeterpeak Ambusher is a better pick if you're looking to hedge a bit. It's better in a warriors build and i don't think a clerics deck cares about resolute strike. P2P1 + P2P2: I can't tell what you're trying to do here. R/W doesn't want kor celebrant so if you're taking that then you're committing to B/W (in which case you take Blood Beckoning in the next pack). If you're still trying to hedge, you should be taking raptor. I don't even think Rockslide Sorcerer is likely to do anything in a warriors deck. P2P6: Molten Blast is playable here. Lots of your own creature can't survive a cinderclasm so i'm not sure why you're taking it. P3P1: ??? P3P2: ??? P3P5: Is this really worth it just to try and get an anointed healer trigger (and only one because the healer is unlikely to survive combat)? You're set on 2-drops at the moment, i like the sejiri shelter P3P6: Smite is pretty bad in bo1 and on top of that you have two bindings already to answer big creatures. Sneaking Guide looks good here, it makes relic robber and bugcatcher better. The switch to red was smart, so good job there, just gotta do a little work on finding the most efficient way to hedge your bets when you're stuck between two archetypes. Also you kind of forgot that you were drafting r/w for a bit in the third pack. Feels like you would have been much better off just forgetting about the one anointed healer that was in your pool already and making picks that better fit an aggressive warriors deck.
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sit on my Facebook posted:I was on nullpriest at first as well but it's less exiting when you're paying 6 to reanimate 1- or 2-drops. I want my nullpriest buying back, like, elder gargaroth or something. Embrace and Maul granting flying is indeed super clutch against Rogues, and also the gruul Embercleave deck/various green based aggro is really squishy to flying I want to like Nullpriest, because it seems like a good application of kicker, but I just haven't been excited by any reanimation spell since they decided that reanimating has to cost at least 5. You might as well just replace your reanimation card with ramp, or another good creature since you're not cheating anything out early. 5 mana used to get you +2/+0 and haste, or Flashback, or every creature of a chosen type A Moose fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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IMJack posted:It's pretty easy to see Embercleave coming. Counterspelling it is hilarious. Yeah, Embercleave is pretty predictable for the most part. You know how many creatures are on the board before combat begins, you know how much mana they have available, and you know how many cards are in their hand. You should have a pretty good idea about when you might get Embercleaved. I've definitely gotten unavoidably hosed by Embercleave because I didn't have removal/counterspells/whatever on hand, but I've always known it was coming. It's never just obliterated me out of nowhere. Henge on the other hand is generally "kill this within 2 turns or get hosed" for me, because of the life gain and card advantage it produces.
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Bust Rodd posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_VgkHAuIjQ How are you guys managing to make any of these Big Red decks work? I like the idea, but it seems to really eat poo poo against any decks with counters, and it seems a little too slow vs aggro.
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Also you can answer Embercleave with just a bunch of creature removal.
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IntravenusDiMilo posted:How are you guys managing to make any of these Big Red decks work? I like the idea, but it seems to really eat poo poo against any decks with counters, and it seems a little too slow vs aggro. TBH I played 3 rounds of Bo3 and I agree, this deck just cannot do anything against rogues or UW at all, you need to draw perfectly AS WELL AS them not have any of their perfect counterspells. It’s very frustrating so I went back on my bullshit in Historic 
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Not that it matters since Theros quick draft is going away soon, but I would appreciate any feedback on this draft I just did. I ended up in a UW deck but wasn't really sure what to do in my seat. Draft: https://www.17lands.com/draft/358aafc9a78c407b825c011e0e74b9f5 Deck: https://www.17lands.com/deck/358aafc9a78c407b825c011e0e74b9f5
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Shooting Blanks posted:I'm not sure. Henge at least gives you a chance to find an answer within a turn or two, generally. Embercleave is, as often as not, an immediate "I win" button. Everybody else pretty much covered it but I can actually do something against an Embercleave by holding a Heartless Act or whatever even if Cleave randomly kills you sometimes. Gruul can untap and cast Henge on t4 with 20% of the cards in their deck so you basically can never let them untap with any of those and if they do get the Henge down you must be able to specifically interact with it immediately or you're pretty much hosed. Even 3-for-1 sweepers aren't gonna keep you in the game against it unless they just brick their asses off
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Looking for comments on my latest ZNR draft: draft deck
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Technowolf posted:Looking for comments on my latest ZNR draft: I would have taken Nahiri's Binding over Angelheart Protector P1P3. Angelhearts won't normally be hard to pick up later if you want them. I would have taken another Blight Priest over Kitesail Cleric P3P3. You should be pushing all-in on these cleric interactions as they all make each other better. I would definitely be running the last Kor Celebrant and Angelheart (remove the Mesa Lynx's). Kor Celebrant is exactly what you want in this deck, and Angelheart is... a cleric. Edit: And maybe go down one land for a Subtle Strike? Anywho, overall, I think you should do pretty well here. jmzero fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Lol drafts can be infuriating sometimes. I know it's just variance and i'm not really salty, just sucks to be on the bad end of it. I drafted a really sweet GB food deck with 2x oven, 2x cat and 2x 7/7 giant spell, then proceeded to lose to 2 players slamming a garruk and the third player killed my oven, exiled my cat with the 3 damage burn spell and then just played a knight every turn and I lost. oh well, once more into the fray I guess update: went into a new draft, got a sweet UB mill deck and my first opponent plays oko turn 3 ... hey mom its 420 fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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The real question is not which is more busted, cleave or henge, but why development boofed on all three other mythic artifacts. Can you even name them?
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Shrecknet posted:The real question is not which is more busted, cleave or henge, but why development boofed on all three other mythic artifacts. Can you even name them? I could name the knight one off the top of my head, because it's sometimes used. The blue one I remembered existed and roughly what it did. The black one made me go "huh...".
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it's uhhh ... witch's mirror?? and knight house?
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