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They’ll somehow end up with a baby they found on a mountain and retire to nuedmonds field.
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Invalid Validation posted:They’ll somehow end up with a baby they found on a mountain and retire to nuedmonds field. The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again. In one Age, called the Fourth Age by some, an Age yet to *world-shaking record scratch* called the Third Age by some, an Age yet to come, an Age long past, a wind rose in the Mountains of Mist. The wind was not the beginning. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel of Time. But it was a beginning.
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Sep 16, 2020 01:53
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Oh lmao I forgot this entire thing where Graendal was supposed to be in Caemlyn to help Rahvin spring the trap they were setting for Rand.
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Sep 16, 2020 03:55
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Oh lmao I forgot this entire thing where Graendal was supposed to be in Caemlyn to help Rahvin spring the trap they were setting for Rand. ... wait How do *I* not remember this??
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Sep 16, 2020 03:57
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Oh lmao I forgot this entire thing where Graendal was supposed to be in Caemlyn to help Rahvin spring the trap they were setting for Rand. said it once, i'll say it again they would have won outright if they could get their heads out of their asses for ten seconds
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Sep 16, 2020 04:03
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:said it once, i'll say it again And, of course, winning wasn't the point for the Dark One, and the chosen being selfish was a feature, not a bug.
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Sep 16, 2020 04:04
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by they i meant the Forsaken
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Sep 16, 2020 04:17
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:by they i meant the Forsaken I know, I'm saying the reason the forsaken couldn't actually work together was because, as Verin put it, they were chosen for selfishness.
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Sep 16, 2020 04:22
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Graendal gets bonus points for waiting for her supposed allies to get dusted and immediately swiping their cool toys
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Sep 16, 2020 04:36
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silvergoose posted:... Because it was actually supposed to be Graendal and Lanfear ambushing Rand when he attacked Sammael in Illian -- that's why he was constantly getting attacked by random groups of trollocs and men shouting "Sammael and the Golden bees!" -- but then Rhavin "killed" Morgase, and none of them realized that A) Rand had a boner for Morgase's daughter and b) Rand knew how to travel, so Rhavin got punked in his house and Graendal and Sammael both noped out.
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Sep 16, 2020 17:45
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I found an inconsistency. I'm rereading the books with my home-schooling nephew (via zoom) to help keep my sister sane. After the group first gets to Camelyn, Rand first meets Elayne by falling into the garden trying to get a look at Logain. Rand observes several warders with the sisters guarding Logain. Then, when Moiraine joins them later that same day, however, she mentions all the other sisters in the city are Red. Guys I think Moiraine is black ajah. Also Moiraine auto corrects to Moraine. BigHead fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 06:38
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minema posted:I think the producer had hinted that there would possibly be something between the girls in the harem too, I think that could go either way regarding the wish fulfilment-ness of the situation though. Some Aiel marriages with two men and more time on the Greens who marry all their warders might make up for it a bit I suppose. I think inherently the magic system and how binary it is will also be noticed by people unless they change it a bit. I don’t see how they could change the duality of the magic system, it’s an overarcing theme through the whole story. It will be interesting too see how they deal with the whole ’men are from Mars, women are from Venus’ thing, if they follow through with it like the books it could be a really weird feel.
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Sep 21, 2020 08:26
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BigHead posted:I found an inconsistency. I'm rereading the books with my home-schooling nephew (via zoom) to help keep my sister sane. After the group first gets to Camelyn, Rand first meets Elayne by falling into the garden trying to get a look at Logain. Rand observes several warders with the sisters guarding Logain. Then, when Moiraine joins them later that same day, however, she mentions all the other sisters in the city are Red. Maybe the Warders are on loan?
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Sep 21, 2020 10:52
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It's pretty clear that Jordan hadn't quite nailed down how he wanted Aes Sedai to work in the first book; Moiraine is depicted as being a lot closer to Gandalf in the EotW than any of the channellers who come after her. The things she does in the first book look a lot more like wizard spells than the more functional magic system that he builds on later. At one point in the Two Rivers she picks up a stick and uses it like a magic wand to smite Trollocs, which, while certainly not an impossible use of the one Power, doesn't really come into play ever again.
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Sep 21, 2020 13:48
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BigHead posted:I found an inconsistency. I'm rereading the books with my home-schooling nephew (via zoom) to help keep my sister sane. After the group first gets to Camelyn, Rand first meets Elayne by falling into the garden trying to get a look at Logain. Rand observes several warders with the sisters guarding Logain. Then, when Moiraine joins them later that same day, however, she mentions all the other sisters in the city are Red. This got addressed at a signing at some point. RJ said that it was a joint group of AS from different ajahs who captured and escorted Logain into Caemlyn, but only the Red sisters got invited to stay at the palace because Elaida. The other sisters camped outside the city with the army. Presumably the other sisters and their warders came back in to escort him out to TV, but Moiraine was not lying or wrong when she said she was the only non-Red in the city at that time. That said, I also agree with this: Old Kentucky Shark posted:It's pretty clear that Jordan hadn't quite nailed down how he wanted Aes Sedai to work in the first book; Moiraine is depicted as being a lot closer to Gandalf in the EotW than any of the channellers who come after her. The things she does in the first book look a lot more like wizard spells than the more functional magic system that he builds on later. At one point in the Two Rivers she picks up a stick and uses it like a magic wand to smite Trollocs, which, while certainly not an impossible use of the one Power, doesn't really come into play ever again.
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Sep 21, 2020 16:22
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:It's pretty clear that Jordan hadn't quite nailed down how he wanted Aes Sedai to work in the first book; Moiraine is depicted as being a lot closer to Gandalf in the EotW than any of the channellers who come after her. The things she does in the first book look a lot more like wizard spells than the more functional magic system that he builds on later. At one point in the Two Rivers she picks up a stick and uses it like a magic wand to smite Trollocs, which, while certainly not an impossible use of the one Power, doesn't really come into play ever again. On reread I thought that was a shame, too. I love the more witchy version of magic, turning the elements of an object into a spell.
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Sep 21, 2020 17:20
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:It's pretty clear that Jordan hadn't quite nailed down how he wanted Aes Sedai to work in the first book; Moiraine is depicted as being a lot closer to Gandalf in the EotW than any of the channellers who come after her. The things she does in the first book look a lot more like wizard spells than the more functional magic system that he builds on later. At one point in the Two Rivers she picks up a stick and uses it like a magic wand to smite Trollocs, which, while certainly not an impossible use of the one Power, doesn't really come into play ever again. Yeah, she does a fair number of things in Eye that have to be semi-retconned later. Still, she has an Angreal.
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Sep 21, 2020 17:40
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Or if being "theatrical" with her channeling was a thing for her or any other Aes Sedai past the book. Like she's obviously making a demonstration by spinning a staff of flames when she's telling the Manetheren story.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:30
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most of it comes off like her trying to wow the yokels in the backwoods village, which is basically what the two rivers is until people start migrating in. it's poo poo that wouldn't impress anyone in a big city since they're used to aes sedai, but for the people who still consider them to basically be mythical creatures and get super excited for a fireworks display each year it probably works just fine.
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Sep 21, 2020 18:38
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She probably thinks of them as yokels. It's never directly addressed in her thoughts, but she did grow up noble, and they've never done anything to "prove" themselves, i.e. Siuan.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:14
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Syncopated posted:I don’t see how they could change the duality of the magic system, it’s an overarcing theme through the whole story. It will be interesting too see how they deal with the whole ’men are from Mars, women are from Venus’ thing, if they follow through with it like the books it could be a really weird feel. This is actually the reason I found it odd they're making the show to begin with. It probably started with looking at those GoT dollars and not really thinking it through.
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Sep 21, 2020 19:15
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Just do it the most TV director way possible, erase the boundary and it's all the one power
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Sep 21, 2020 19:43
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UltraRed posted:She probably thinks of them as yokels. It's never directly addressed in her thoughts, but she did grow up noble, and they've never done anything to "prove" themselves, i.e. Siuan.
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Sep 21, 2020 20:07
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Just do it the most TV director way possible, erase the boundary and it's all the one power But how? The split is arguably fundamental to the series. Men and women channeling different halves of the One Power means that the Dark One could taint one half, while the other remained pure. Which means the male mages went insane and broke the world, and male channelers are seen with horror and hate by the populace. Which is a conflict that Rand has to navigate dozens of times, and partly explains why the prophesied savior of the world faces so much opposition even from non-darkfriends. There being two distinct halves of the One Power also led to the temptation of And I honestly don't think that the concept in itself is beyond the pale for modern audiences. Even the first book makes it clear that the greatest wonders in the Age of Legends were created by men and women working together as equals, as If you take the Forsaken as an example, they nearly always get killed by mixed gender groups. Aginor and Balthamael are a bit weird, but that's early installment weirdness imho. Rand killed Ishamael pretty much alone, but then you have Be'lal, killed by Moiraine while being distracted by Rand. Then there's Asmodean, whose ultimate fate was brought about by Rand and Lanfear.... kinda... working together, in a way. Lanfear herself gets defeated in a battle with Rand and Moiraine. Rahvin got killed by Rand with help from Nynaeve. Elza fries Osan'gar while in a circle with a man and another woman. I'm not counting any deaths in Tarmon Gaidon itself, as by that point, the heroes were finally working as one team. And even those that defy the pattern often enough reinforce the point. Yes, Moghedien losing to Nynaeve was simple badassery on Nynaeve's part. And Sammael was ultimately killed by Mashadar. But Rand killing Asan'gar, while trying to kill Graendal, was actually one of his lowest points in his character arc. And that particular part of his arc started when he killed Semirhage with the True Power, after which he mostly stops working together with the women. And the text makes it clear how bad this is. And Egwene probably couldn't have defeated Mesaana without the lesson Perrin taught her earlier. So with that in mind, I don't see how they could even drop the point of the gendered magic, and also don't understand why you would have to do so. I think TV audiences are smart enough to get the message Jordan wanted to convey, that even if men and women are different, they should work together as equals. That should be appealing enough, right? Torrannor fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 20:56
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Torrannor posted:But how? The split is arguably fundamental to the series. He means that the series being handed off to somebody who doesn't get the material would be typical of a tv series adaptation effort. Which doesn't seem like is the case for WoT, currently, mind.
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Sep 21, 2020 20:59
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One little bit of characterisation that I really like with Tam, is that even absolutely spitting mad after nearly being murdered by his son, he's still enough of a gentleman to give Nynaeve the 'Wisdom' honorific. Tam fucks.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:41
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Tam dressing down Cadsuane for being a bully and Cadsuane having just enough self-awareness to be annoyed at herself and letting him go is one of my favorite moments of the Sanderson books.
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Sep 21, 2020 21:51
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Cadsuane turned into a buffoon in The Gathering Storm. Hiding the male a’dam in the most obvious place, her own room, and then having the audacity to act like she didn’t just nearly doom every person on the planet.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:25
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well, i mean, cadsuane is kind of an ur-aes sedai and is pretty much one of the prime things that rand had to reconcile with to finally get his poo poo together. she's this crystal clear representation of the white tower mentality and is incredibly intelligent, but is a bit up her own rear end. moiraine serves as an accompanying facet of aes sedai that rounds it all out and comes in at the last minute to violently course-correct what was going on right at that moment.
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Sep 21, 2020 22:49
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:One little bit of characterisation that I really like with Tam, is that even absolutely spitting mad after nearly being murdered by his son, he's still enough of a gentleman to give Nynaeve the 'Wisdom' honorific. canonically no he does not
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Sep 21, 2020 22:59
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ChubbyChecker posted:canonically no he does not Well, canonically he has no interest in marrying again, I don't think the text says anything specific about whether he has had any sex since.
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Sep 21, 2020 23:06
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Johnny Joestar posted:well, i mean, cadsuane is kind of an ur-aes sedai and is pretty much one of the prime things that rand had to reconcile with to finally get his poo poo together. she's this crystal clear representation of the white tower mentality and is incredibly intelligent, but is a bit up her own rear end. moiraine serves as an accompanying facet of aes sedai that rounds it all out and comes in at the last minute to violently course-correct what was going on right at that moment. Yeah, broad strokes I agree. I just wish he had found a way to incorporate her overweening arrogance without making her so dumb.
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Sep 21, 2020 23:55
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silvergoose posted:Well, canonically he has no interest in marrying again, I don't think the text says anything specific about whether he has had any sex since. People don't have sex without marriage in the two rivers, get outta here with your depraved taren ferry ideas
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Sep 22, 2020 00:12
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:Or if being "theatrical" with her channeling was a thing for her or any other Aes Sedai past the book. Like she's obviously making a demonstration by spinning a staff of flames when she's telling the Manetheren story. I'm rereading Path of Daggers, and there's a bit where Perrin tells some Wise Ones to scare off some Dragonsworn. One of them just channels a big loud thunderclap of Air, but the other one makes a giant spinning wheel of fire and has it shoot out gouts of flame as it spins around.
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Sep 22, 2020 06:55
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Ponsonby Britt posted:I'm rereading Path of Daggers, and there's a bit where Perrin tells some Wise Ones to scare off some Dragonsworn. One of them just channels a big loud thunderclap of Air, but the other one makes a giant spinning wheel of fire and has it shoot out gouts of flame as it spins around. I meant more in terms of using objects, but sure. So we can accept that Aes Sedai do go in for theatrics when straightforward weaves would work, but in the other hand, aside from Moiraine's trick with increasing he apparent size, there doesn't appear to be more cases of illusions in general. (I do like that Aes Sedai try that trick on Rand in LoC, but he was already aware of it being trickery from nearly the very beginning of his journey)
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Sep 22, 2020 09:08
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A lot of it makes sense retroactively when you realize that the Aes Sedai are basically the post-apocalyptic version of the actual tower of wizards, and most of the weaves they're using are actually hacked-together half remembered tech from a bygone age. Like how Aes Sedai healing, while leaps and bounds better than the medicine practiced by every other channeller, is actually just a single battle-field triage weave meant to keep soldiers on their feet, and then Nynaeve rediscovers actual medical weaves from first principles. The "Turning into a giant version of yourself weave" probably used to be used to do Shakespeare in the Park, or something.
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Sep 22, 2020 10:18
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:(I do like that Aes Sedai try that trick on Rand in LoC, but he was already aware of it being trickery from nearly the very beginning of his journey) Also Lews Therin in his head was all "What the gently caress are they thinking, trying to intimidate the Lord of the Morning with the Mirror of Mists?"
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Sep 22, 2020 10:40
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bio347 posted:One of my favourite throwaway lines is when Moiraine thinks to herself something like "Siuan said that growing up in the Sun Palace had set arrogance deep in her bones, but she didn't see it." This is part of one of the great, somewhat subtle things Jordan did that's most notable on a reread. Moiraine is probably the character who is closest to being reliably right, and she fucks up repeatedly and dangerously. She mishandles all of the 2R kids, missteps with her own warder, who she's partnered with for decades, and spends multiple books trying to guide Rand towards a plan that is exactly what the Forsaken want him to do. But she course-corrects each time, and it winds up buying her Rand's absolute trust -- there's a reason that it's her, Nyn, and Thom with him at the very end, they're the three characters (other than Mat and Perrin) who Rand completely trusts down to his bones, and all for different reasons (Nyn literally helped raise him, Moiraine corrected her errors, and Rand trusts that Thom is His Bastard). "It's OK to be wrong, as long as you acknowledge you were wrong and fix it" is a HUGE part of the story. Half the big dramatic moments we all remember are characters either realizing they'd been wrong, admitting they'd been wrong, or being called out on being wrong (and admitting it).
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Sep 23, 2020 13:37
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Test Pattern posted:"It's OK to be wrong, as long as you acknowledge you were wrong and fix it" is a HUGE part of the story. Half the big dramatic moments we all remember are characters either realizing they'd been wrong, admitting they'd been wrong, or being called out on being wrong (and admitting it). with this in mind, the series really reads as "Robert Jordan's guide to his and his wife's relationship"
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Sep 23, 2020 19:34
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Which relationship? There’s at least three wives to ask.
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