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It also handwaves characters doing things that make no sense to move the pot forward. Yes, I pledge to serve Yes, I pledge you my ships Good alliance formed. Moving forward...
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bio347 posted:IIRC the only other that's named in the books is Hawkwing (which makes the Seanchan's stance extra-odd). I was looking at the Wheel of Time Fandom wiki earlier, and it mentioned a ta'veren I hadn't heard of before: Mabriam en Shereed. From the Wheel of Time Companion: quote:Mabriam en Shereed. An Aes Sedai of the Gray Ajah, with a strength level of 9(+4). Mabriam was Queen of Aramaelle and considered mainly responsible for forming the Compact of the Ten Nations, which was signed in 209 AB. Stories said that she was ta’veren. Merana, impressed by her memory, thought that when Kiruna and Bera first saw Cadsuane, it must have struck them the same way seeing Mabriam would be for her. Her name was sometimes rendered as “en Shareed.”
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wtf who gave everyone power level numbers
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Feb 25, 2021 17:32
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buffalo all day posted:wtf who gave everyone power level numbers Harriet
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Feb 25, 2021 17:38
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buffalo all day posted:wtf who gave everyone power level numbers Comrade Blyatlov posted:RJ did Yeah, he had a private list of people's (especially women's) strength in the Power because Aes Sedai social dynamics are based in part on strength in the power, so he wanted to keep it straight who was supposed to be deferential to who. I imagine it just expanded from there.
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the goku power levels were very important to the lore
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I guess all credit to him for not putting it in the text.
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Feb 25, 2021 17:52
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Mat Cauthon posted:It's probably safe to assume that memory leakage between lives in not linear or even temporally constrained in the sense that knowledge that existed in different Ages along the wheel can show up even if the most recent technologically advanced Age we know of is the Age of Legends. Also there's the influence of the Pattern and Ta'averen putting pieces into place so that humanity and the Light can have a chance at winning. Fair enough, but I like the idea better that the knowledge of gun powder didn't have to leak, because Aludra just repurposed knowledge she already had. From her guild. A guild which has existed for quite some time already before the Seanchan killed or enslaved them all. My version of truth is that the pattern made it so the Seanchan freaked out and committed an atrocity, just so Aludra would be driven to take revenge, and then shoved her and Mat together to make things explode.
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Data Graham posted:I guess all credit to him for not putting it in the text. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this why you need to put in your will to burn your notes
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Feb 25, 2021 18:04
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Data Graham posted:I guess all credit to him for not putting it in the text. It's the first I've ever heard of it and yeah, loving this. Everything gets stupid with numbers tacked on.
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I dont understand this whole 9(+1) thing. The 9 is obviously their power level, whats the second number?
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buffalo all day posted:wtf who gave everyone power level numbers Comrade Blyatlov posted:I dont understand this whole 9(+1) thing. The 9 is obviously their power level, whats the second number? They're hilarious. I started reading the book just front-to-back, but it's the entire thing is just a giant glossary, and people whose names begin with "A" are long before the entry on "strength in the One Power", so the first exposure to the ranking system was stuff like how Adeleas had a strength level of 23(11), while Aginor's was ++2. The actual section explaining the numbers isn't very clear either, but I can at least explain the parentheticals: It's not a set of measurements like height, but a ranking of who is first, second, etc. There was an old system the Aes Sedai used which ran from 1-60. The problem is that the supergirls were all stronger than the previously established #1, so the scale had to be rejiggered, adding twelve additional levels of 'strongest'. In the old system, Adeleas was of the 11th rank, but in the new system she's of the 23rd. edit: I think "9(+4)" means that she's of the 9th rank in the new system, and 4 ranks above the old system. Like, Graendal is 3(+10), Egwene and Elayne are 8(+5). Vavrek fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 25, 2021 |
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Feb 25, 2021 18:39
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"Line up for the class portrait by strength in the power." -- a grey, probably.
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Anias posted:"Line up for the class portrait by strength in the power." -- a grey, probably. I was going to say that sounds more like a white, but on reflection that would totally be a brown thing, right?
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Vavrek posted:I was going to say that sounds more like a white, but on reflection that would totally be a brown thing, right? Really it would be all of them, they just wouldn't say it out loud. It would just be assumed that the highest powered one gets first pick of spot, followed by the second, and so on down the line until the weakest is being used as a chair or something equally stupid. Anyone who argued would get sniffed at and given lovely jobs.
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Feb 25, 2021 19:01
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The power levels really feel like something that only existed as an author aid, and should not have been made public.
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Feb 25, 2021 19:11
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Gnoman posted:The power levels really feel like something that only existed as an author aid, and should not have been made public. just picturing the asha'man hanging around a table talking about how they only date 6's or better
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Gnoman posted:The power levels really feel like something that only existed as an author aid, and should not have been made public. Like all of JK Rowling's statements after the series was over
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buffalo all day posted:just picturing the asha'man hanging around a table talking about how they only date 6's or better 
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Gnoman posted:The power levels really feel like something that only existed as an author aid, and should not have been made public. buffalo all day posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, this why you need to put in your will to burn your notes
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Feb 25, 2021 19:26
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Nah you make those notes super hosed up cause you’ll be dead anyways.
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Gnoman posted:The power levels really feel like something that only existed as an author aid, and should not have been made public. I mean, that's what they were! It's a damned good thing RJ kept such copious notes, too, given what happened.
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I guess as a historical artifact they're interesting, but as with Herbert and Tolkien, do not let your large adult failsons try to Expanded Universe them.
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if they'd been worked into the last few books it would have sucked, but existing purely as just some weird documentation in side content is fine by me i guess
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You’d think they would find a way to make their innate power increase since they can all do it artificially through totems/linking.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Like all of JK Rowling's statements after the series was over Nah. Most of Rowling's poo poo was a desperate attempt to stay relevant, which isn't the same thing.
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To join the Rand vs LTT(Linus tech tips lol) from a few pages ago. Rand and LTT are the same soul, but they lived entirely different lives, so even though they occupy the same body and share memories, they are different people, even though they are also the same person. I always thought Rand thinking in his past life’s internal monologue is kind of like how multilingual people have different internal monologues in different languages. Like the LTT in Rand’s head is when Rand is thinking to himself in his LTT inner monologue. Rand is LTT, so it’s not crazy that he can think in LTTs inner monologue. Like how someone who knows English and Spanish can think in Spanish or in English. He can think in LTT or in Rand, or in various combinations of both. Rand isn’t aware this is happening early in the series, but eventually he does and he starts compartmentalizing which parts of himself are Rand and which are LTT, and treating them as separate entities which can have conversations between them, until veins of gold.
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How are u posted:It's the first I've ever heard of it and yeah, loving this. Everything gets stupid with numbers tacked on. The d20 rpg doesn't even mention innate power cap levels. That just uses caster level plus int and wis bonus.
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RedFlag posted:Now I’m picturing Ishy going through a copy of TV tropes (came in a stasis box) trying to figure out the one weird trick that will turn or kill Rand. I would watch this spinoff buffalo all day posted:just picturing the asha'man hanging around a table talking about how they only bond 6's or better 
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th3t00t posted:To join the Rand vs LTT(Linus tech tips lol) from a few pages ago. I think this is a coherent explanation of what's going on and explains it quite well, I'm going to keep this going forward
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DarkHorse posted:I think this is a coherent explanation of what's going on and explains it quite well, I'm going to keep this going forward Yeah, I dropped out of the madness conversation earlier because it looked like the difference was basically on how people were describing a shared understanding of the situation, and the topic had moved on. I think everyone is on the same page the voice in Rand's head is a construct of LTT's memories taking up residence in his mind. I would call him real because he's not something that Rand is imagining per-se rather he's an alternate personality with actual experiences that Rand can't otherwise fully access. However, it's also true to say he's a product of insanity because if Rand were mentally healthy he'd just be able to remember the life without the voice sobbing in his head. I remember when the books were still coming out people had theories about like time travel conversations and stuff like that, which always struck me as very silly.
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Gambor posted:I remember when the books were still coming out people had theories about like time travel conversations and stuff like that, which always struck me as very silly. Feist's Magician (1982) had Tomas/Ashen-Shugar and Midkemia was certainly still selling books into the 90s while WoT was growing.
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Anias posted:Feist's Magician (1982) had Tomas/Ashen-Shugar and Midkemia was certainly still selling books into the 90s while WoT was growing. Did Tomas have conversations with Ashen-Shugar? I can't really remember that, he mostly just spoke as if he was Ashen-Shugar whenever he remembered something from the time of the Chaos Wars, but that's because he had Ashen-Shugar's memories.
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Anias posted:Feist's Magician (1982) had Tomas/Ashen-Shugar and Midkemia was certainly still selling books into the 90s while WoT was growing. I haven't read that. To be clear, I'm not calling the concept itself silly, just the idea that it was a good explanation for what we were seeing in WoT. The main thing about it was that if it's true that would mean that just as Rand has knowledge of the past, LTT would have knowledge of the future. Some folks took that idea and ran with it. It led to fan theories like the Breaking was just a step in the Dragon's cross age grand plan to defeat the Shadow.
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Torrannor posted:Did Tomas have conversations with Ashen-Shugar? I can't really remember that, he mostly just spoke as if he was Ashen-Shugar whenever he remembered something from the time of the Chaos Wars, but that's because he had Ashen-Shugar's memories. Yep! FeistMagicianMasterPg287-290 posted:
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seaborgium posted:Really it would be all of them, they just wouldn't say it out loud. It would just be assumed that the highest powered one gets first pick of spot, followed by the second, and so on down the line until the weakest is being used as a chair or something equally stupid. Anyone who argued would get sniffed at and given lovely jobs. I can totally see this in my mind now. At least three rows of women, all of mixed heights, causing random Aes Sedai to be hidden from view completely. A total mess of a picture is the result
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Libluini posted:I can totally see this in my mind now. At least three rows of women, all of mixed heights, causing random Aes Sedai to be hidden from view completely. Simple solution, make the most powerful Aes Sedai the photographer, ordering them into each position.
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For some reason this discussion reminds me of that photo that came out a few years ago of "important" people and everyone is very carefully placed to balance the photo while no one is over shadowed except Elon Musk who clearly said gently caress it and chose his own place to stand, ruining the photo.
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Atlas Hugged posted:For some reason this discussion reminds me of that photo that came out a few years ago of "important" people and everyone is very carefully placed to balance the photo while no one is over shadowed except Elon Musk who clearly said gently caress it and chose his own place to stand, ruining the photo. He's... he's on the counter. WHY IS HE STANDING ON THE COUNTER?
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