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Colonel Cool posted:Should the White Tower have been written as incompetent as it was? When I first started the books it was a neat idea, a tower of mysterious lady wizards manipulating the world. It turning out to be a bumbling fiasco when we got more acquainted with it was kind of a let down. Catching up with the thread and reading the last couple of pages I'm struck at the similarity of the Tower's faults and the morass, cruelty, and incompetence of any elite political institution, most especially the one centered around D.C. (pre Trump of course). Just a bunch of ppl who walk on air separated from everybody always getting things wrong to no apparent effect.
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I was thinking more the consulting class, the wealthy failson and daughters that populate every campaign and think tank. Live in million dollar townhouses they own in Georgetown while pontificating about that lower class America really needs to start within their means. Just a combination of obliviousness/somewhat good intentions/ineptitude/and arrogance.
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Jul 20, 2020 21:42
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The Forsaken have at least 3 dudes that can't get Rand out of their mind. e: like a republican being obsessed with AOC
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Jul 28, 2020 14:31
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Torrannor posted:That's the first I heard of this. Looking it up, these fact came to light in 2014, long after I last read the books. And long after Robert Jordan died. So I'm sad to learn of this, but it has obviously no impact on my question. at least things have improved for victims quote:She hailed the "outpouring of love and support" which has followed her revelations. "What has happened in the past 20 years, apparently, is that rape, child abuse and incest have been enough in the public eye for them to be accepted, and victims and survivors to routinely be believed now, and there are so many survivors among my mother's fans, as well as supporters of survivors and decent people who care about the truth that my mother is now being held to the very standards she wrote about," her email continued. A little ray of hope in the current hell times.
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Aug 15, 2020 13:12
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Jordan never got the chance to edit his own stuff. Shame, nothings ever good before an edit.
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Aug 15, 2020 17:53
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:While her appearance is pretty good, im gonna need to see a hard stare and a dressing down before I can get on board the Sophie train. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viedYUe85E0 starts around the 1 minute mark
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Aug 19, 2020 23:06
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lets be honest Robert Jordan was a horndog, but in a very old timey awooga-ing at women displaying their ankles way
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Aug 20, 2020 22:43
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I only had Book 5 for the longest time when I was 11. I read that thing like 3 times before going onto Lord of Chaos. I really really loved it, but man oh man did my imagination fill in the spaces. Like I thiught Rand fought God in Heaven in the earlier books lol
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Jan 3, 2021 22:22
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Torrannor posted:Perrin tried to keep Rand's kidnapping a secret, but he was not that successful. Everybody in Cairhien knew what was up when the Dragon Reborn vanished, the Aes Sedai left, and then Rand's childhood buddy, his Ogier friend, his biggest supporter among the Cairhienin nobility, plus an Aiel clan chief with a host of Aiel suddenly left the city as well. It's why Colavere was able to get herself crowned queen after all, and as Dobraine noticed, she didn't waste much time after Perrin and co. went away. And the Aes Sedai in fact encouraged Colavere to take the crown, and definitely whispered to other Caerhienin nobles about Rand "not being a problem anymore", or something like that, which helped Colavere getting the critical mass of support (or at least not opposition) to make her queen. Even the politically not that savvy Aiel figured out what was up, with the Bleakness returning in force to claim a lot of them, and the clan chiefs either speaking of returning to the Three-Fold Land, or staging an assault on the White Tower to free Rand. And we know Taim had his eyes and ears in Caemlyn, keeping tabs on what's happening there, so it's quite reasonable to assume he had some in Caerhien as well, given that Rand spent basically all his time in one of those two cities. As others have said, he had his channeler detection squads already use traveling to scout, it wouldn't be that hard to follow Perrin's trail and find out where Rand was. And the Pattern likely encouraged those efforts, since it went to the extreme lengths to prod Perrin into leaving the Two Rivers to be by Rand's side already. this made me read up this recap because I plum forgot about Colavere, and gently caress its making me want to re-read the series, its such a good scene: https://www.tor.com/2009/12/18/the-wheel-of-time-re-read-a-crown-of-swords-part-4/ there really isn't anything out there on that level of cathartic fantasy politicking
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Feb 2, 2021 18:45
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Am I remembering wrong, but didn't Elaida not even intend on finding black sisters, but just sisters she hated and the hunt was actually a miscommunication?
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Feb 3, 2021 02:35
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Same. Like a creepy tall dude, that then turns around and has no orbital sockets
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Feb 6, 2021 14:26
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gently caress Aran'gar is problematic. Scheming new lady using her sexy wiles to trick people. It's hosed up! I'm gonna go read The Left Hand of Darkness again.
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Mar 18, 2021 17:08
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I think ppl are going the wrong way in regards to thinking about which Forsaken would be cut for time. You can keep all of the them in here, but the stories around them will be cut for time. Like blasting Belal takes a moment, his buildup is a natural way to build up the plot of an episode. TV shows are starved for natural one and done antagonists, and the Forsaken are perfect for that, bubbling up in random eps to exude menace and exchange banter to eat up mins when something that actually needs alot of direction gets delayed. That's what was responsible for alot of the banter scenes in GOT, because that shot is extremely easy and cheap to shoot. What is problematic is how much of the actual protagonists arcs are gonna gave to be sheared off. Alot I'd guess. And there's other stuff, the problematic gender essentials, how much money the production design is gonna get, the background and exp of the exec producers and writers, and how the hell do they make magic interesting on the screen, something that has never really been successfully cracked, tho Dr Strange got alot of the way there
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Mar 20, 2021 14:17
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Libluini posted:Nah, the attack was planned because of this, but the empress wasn't sure about the risks until good old Rand scared her to death when he went Nega-Taveren that one time It's been a while since I read it, nega Taverning is Rand beating the Seanchan in combat while also blowing up his own people?
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Mar 23, 2021 09:16
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Nah that reads as an open bi marriage potentially receptive to a polycule with sub implications
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Apr 23, 2021 10:33
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I've rread these books multiple times and you cant argue that Jordan doesnt rely on stock women with roller pin type stereotypes to pad some of his comedic scenes.
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May 15, 2021 12:29
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Nihilarian posted:there is presumably a level at which everyone would agree you are a blademaster, otherwise the alternative method of becoming a blademaster doesnt make sense. Its all a bit silly. Being good at anything is never as clean cut as being designated a class in DnD. Professional basketball players can be beat if they're having a bad day and they're facing somone young and athletic.
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May 21, 2021 22:41
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Good point, the three women thing would work a lot better, if it works at all, with the women being into each other and then letting in Rand, or whatever. Still a man's fantasy but a little more easier to swallow
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May 25, 2021 21:42
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Lebanese civil war lasted in its mosr brutal phase for a decade and that was plenty of time to create child soldiers. Wars in West Africa took a lot shorter. War fucks things up incredibly quick
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Jun 1, 2021 18:34
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I move Mat Rand and Perrin around my dinner table and I keep pushing them together
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Jul 2, 2021 05:07
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Rand, now with women name's muttering action
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Jul 2, 2021 05:34
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calandryll posted:I wonder if they'll show what easing the badger is. Honestly always thought it was just a fancy way of describing getting your junk out
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Jul 3, 2021 04:27
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From facebook looks like theres alot of ppl excited by the WoT TV show. I think its gonna get alot of eyeballs
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Jul 4, 2021 19:36
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Seems alittle young and waifish for Brigitte when i think of Brigitte I think of Brigitte Nielssen lol
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Aug 16, 2021 14:47
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Rand's New Groove is what I thought when I saw that The ultimate canon picture of Mat is the one found on the kindle version tho
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Aug 17, 2021 05:55
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Libluini posted:as an Atheist, I chose to believe it means no-one is actually baptized and 100% of all Christians will end up in Hell and as a satanist, we don't want these hokey a-holes in here, get them out
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Aug 20, 2021 17:54
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Love the use of real life locations. Emailing ppl I lost track with years ago to share this teaser who used to read this poo poo with me as kids. Lol, its bringing ppl together.
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Sep 2, 2021 17:10
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silvergoose posted:I have no idea what the difference between ya fiction and giant fantasy series is, can you elaborate? Interesting question, esp since they usually star kids in the outset I'd say the amount of lore but most importantly, shifts in perspective. YA runs on protagonist identification, and breaking the ficus of the usually purpiseful bkand central character destroys that illusion
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Sep 6, 2021 13:24
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silvergoose posted:Interesting. Does YA tend towards first person perspectives, few if any different POV switches, that sort of thing? Thanks for answering! Id say so, yeah. Its why Id consider something like The Hazelwood YA instead of straight fantasy.
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Sep 8, 2021 14:20
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There's no hard and fast rule, fantasy and young adult and half a dozen other genres bleed into each other. Like how old is Pug in Rift Wars in the first book? Tropes are a good sign post, and a narrowing of perspective, love interest, staying in the head of the protagonist versus lore...I dunno, its why I tended to read fantasy rather than YA as a kid. Maybe I'm not the best judge of it then.
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Sep 8, 2021 16:13
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Anias posted:Please stop using the internet. Entirely. Do something else. Your online persona is atrocious and this is actively bad for you. Its some of the worse tendencies found in the politics forums bleeding in.
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Sep 8, 2021 20:15
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Lord of Chaos is Rand tho
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Sep 9, 2021 00:19
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God its so funny, and so badass. That never happens.
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Sep 9, 2021 19:44
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Lord Awkward posted:Mat gets on his horse to leave, and then condense his entire lolling at it being like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30yNlAHXVzQ
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Sep 10, 2021 16:02
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Colonel Cool posted:It's kind of hard to blame the Aes Sedai for being ineffectual as an institution when they were so hopelessly compromised by Darkfriends. Aes Sedai were def a pointed critique of powerful bureaucracies tho. It was one of the best things about the seris. The fact that the Aes Sedai literally bound themselves by magic to not lie, and everyone els being weirded out that theres a group of powerful wizards weird enough to do that
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Sep 11, 2021 01:15
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I think the other view is right. It seperated thems from average ppl. They literally live in a marble tower
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Sep 11, 2021 01:22
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LegoMan posted:totally an expression that exists Seems like everyone in Randland is suffering from methadone/colloidal silver poisoning, the Dark One getting real
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Sep 16, 2021 17:57
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seaborgium posted:I always assumed that was the Pattern forcing the knowledge needed to get to the next age back in. Sometimes people have weird ideas and try them out and they work in real life, so I just figured there's no reason channeling would be different. It'd be a lot cooler if progress was written a little more realistically, based on collaboration and general societal developments and advances. But then again ppl shooting fire and shepherds being kings, I guess that's a little too much here
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TheFluff posted:. Maybe this is revealing me as a hyper nerd but I love it when writers go into the weeds regarding magic poo poo. Saying boom this is magic I find uninteresting. It having rules, structures, hacks, or even better, a thematic expression of what the book is trying to express, ala Earthsea, is def my poo poo. Hell a somewhat mediocre series that builds itself on an inventive and interesting expression of the harsh world its depicting, like that series I can't remember where magic users directly get their advanced abilities from tattooing and maiming others they collect so that other magic users won't kill them and make them impotent, makes them interesting in turn E: it's loving Runelords Shageletic fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Sep 18, 2021 |
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