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DigitalPenny
Sep 3, 2018



Scruffpuff posted:

Yeah it's odd. But they are not just floating on whale oil. They needed a bank loan some years back, then they got investors, and I'm not sure how many times you can pull that trick and still have nothing to show for it. I won't bother predicting when this collapses because history shows that it's impossible to tell. But the fact that they keep on trucking is not an indication of progress, or success, it's just an indication that really stupid people are still shoveling money into the furnace. I suspect, with the amount of money we're talking about, and the incredible burn rate due to ludicrous unnecessary expenses to make CIG look like a game development studio, that the end will be swift and sudden. Chris is never getting his 10 million copies sold, he's never getting millions of dollars in residual monthly income from subscribers. The money they're going to get is the money they've already gotten. If they needed bank loans and investors to stay afloat, then whales alone won't be enough to keep the lights on, even if they do a Tier-0 release.

"Release" date is going to be a cut and run, followed by CIG servers going dark, followed by petitions by the community to release the code so they can run their own servers, just like we've seen hundreds of times before. And the backers will be howling into the void as Chris wanders off to his next grift.

The Corporate octopus will do anything to find fresh cash to sustain itself. This is especially true for shady lifestyle companies that don't produce poo poo.

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Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



MedicineHut posted:

Ironically the same critiques SC fanatics have repeatedly thrown over ED about the lack of first person gameplay would have also probably helped built up a ton of hype for it and will probably contribute to those sales, if it does sale well. Thanks SC shitheads!

The SC cult have already shifted the goalposts so now ED having spacelegs is bad because you can't walk inside your ship.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016



Sandweed posted:

The SC cult have already shifted the goalposts so now ED having spacelegs is bad because you can't walk inside your ship.

That is again just more sales due to extra hype for ED whenever they release the "ship interior" loving DLC.

Sanya Juutilainen
Jun 19, 2019

Every slur offends someone and people will just rebrand other words to slurs / potentially offensive meanings (see also: gay, trap) which will then get banned, eventually at some point the language will run out of words.


at some point the language will run out of words.

Sandweed posted:

The SC cult have already shifted the goalposts so now ED having spacelegs is bad because you can't walk inside your ship.

I love how their goalposts are getting more and more desperate. Especially since ED will have stuff like lounges and bars - with barmans likely functioning better than SC's tier 0 (and 1 and 2 and possibly more, while we're at it).

In a decade all SC will have left over ED will be argon levels and pooping mechanics.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

It's just a pledge bro!


https://i.imgur.com/FZPEiRS.gifv

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018




I wish major Tom would make more videos

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



It's just goes to show the brainworms of the SC hive mind, no game has ever been improved by forcing you to navigate a short empty FPS level every time you want to do something.

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



It reminds me of the COD infinite warfare single player campaign where the first time you deploy to a mission you walk from the ships bridge through the ship, take a elevator down to the flight deck walk across it while mechs and trucks full of missiles fly by and then you get to your ship and do a pre flight check with the crew ect before blasting of into space.

Next mission they just warp you into the cockpit ready to blast of because that poo poo is only interesting one time.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

they hummed of mystery


Bounty hunting in a nutshell right now

https://v.redd.it/83hmqyycd4j61/DASH_720.mp4

More lethal than COD


https://twitter.com/RRJIII/status/1362978457626566657/

It never ceases to amaze me that someone might consider this beautiful. One copypasted tree, LOD that is set to "empty and featureless" and so on.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000


Avast!

Dwesa posted:

https://twitter.com/RRJIII/status/1362978457626566657/

It never ceases to amaze me that someone might consider this beautiful. One copypasted tree, LOD that is set to "empty and featureless" and so on.

If Arma 4 hypothetically came out a few years ago and looked like that I would say "this game looks adequate, I don't have any particular issues with how this game looks."

I think you have to be holding out some serious hope for this game (and be in for a lot of money) to think it looks better than adequate for a yet-to-be released in 2021 though.

edit: I thought there was a haze in-game, but it turns out he took glarey photographs of a computer screen? Does he not know screenshotting is a thing?

edit 2: here's a couple of baby capybaras

https://twitter.com/usa0831/status/1364058187729494017

BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Feb 23, 2021

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012






Dwesa posted:


https://twitter.com/RRJIII/status/1362978457626566657/

It never ceases to amaze me that someone might consider this beautiful. One copypasted tree, LOD that is set to "empty and featureless" and so on.

It looks amazing if the last game you played was Privateer.

Flannelette
Jan 16, 2010




Dwesa posted:

Bounty hunting in a nutshell right now

https://v.redd.it/83hmqyycd4j61/DASH_720.mp4



Looks suspiciously like he's standing on an elevator too.

BattleMaster posted:

If Arma 4 hypothetically came out a few years ago and looked like that I would say "this game looks adequate, I don't have any particular issues with how this game looks."


Looks worse than arma 2 though just flat green ground and cardboard trees, that would be just a bit disappointing in 2021.

Flannelette fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Feb 23, 2021

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016



Dwesa posted:

Bounty hunting in a nutshell right now

https://v.redd.it/83hmqyycd4j61/DASH_720.mp4

More lethal than COD

Apparently elevators have invisible walls that stop bullets.

Known bug (totally the only one in the game) you loving fudster.

Jonny Shiloh
Mar 7, 2019
You 'orrible little man


MedicineHut posted:

Apparently elevators have invisible walls that stop bullets.

Known bug (totally the only one in the game) you loving fudster.

I prefer to think of it as a never-been-done-before feature of Cry Engine

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

they hummed of mystery


Uh, it's another one of these

When your other half discovers your purchase history



quote:

I hope when I die my wife doesn't sell my ships for the price I told her I payed for them.

quote:

Just threaten to investigate her shoes, makeup and purse fund and you will be ok

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015



Lipstick Apathy

Sandweed posted:

It reminds me of the COD infinite warfare single player campaign where the first time you deploy to a mission you walk from the ships bridge through the ship, take a elevator down to the flight deck walk across it while mechs and trucks full of missiles fly by and then you get to your ship and do a pre flight check with the crew ect before blasting of into space.

Next mission they just warp you into the cockpit ready to blast of because that poo poo is only interesting one time.

Itís the same with everything we do. First few times itís novelty.

Itís like going to work, or doing groceries. Our brains have the tendency to delete immaterial memories. Games should only produce fun.

With the exception of Chris Roberts.

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire


Golli posted:

The Star Wars arcade game that came out in 1983, the sit-down version.

For $40 (I already have the VR stuff), if it can give me a hint of what it felt like to play this game back then - it's a steal. Star Citizen can stuff it.

Yes!
I just had an idea, would it work out with a flight sim yoke in stead of a mouse or joystick?

Gort
Aug 18, 2003


Dwesa posted:

Uh, it's another one of these

When your other half discovers your purchase history



I know someone who worked for a gambling site (bingo, in this case) and it was all women doing this exact thing to their husbands. I don't understand how people can live like that.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

It's not the red form anymore.
Incidental bones can file under the greens.


That's the thing. I know I'm oversensitive to har har ol' ball n chain jokery, but Citizens prove that this miserable, mutually resentful battle of the sexes stuff is deadly serious to some people.

Happy Sisyphus
Nov 13, 2013

You take the blue paarp - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red paarp - you stay in pre-alpha, and I show you how deep the sperg wallet goes.



God this is just getting depressing

Mr Fronts
Jan 31, 2016

Yo! The Mafia supports you. But don't tell no one. Spread the word.


Dwesa posted:

Bounty hunting in a nutshell right now

https://v.redd.it/83hmqyycd4j61/DASH_720.mp4

More lethal than COD

Star Citizer: Warning: m_pTravelEnvelope is NULL!

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

I wish major Tom would make more videos

Look at this content locust.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.


lobsterminator posted:

It looks amazing if the last game you played was Privateer.

I mean this guy procured images of his favorite game by literally taking a photo of his monitor instead of taking a screenshot which may indicate that he's not up to date on what current technology can do.

Strategic Tea posted:

That's the thing. I know I'm oversensitive to har har ol' ball n chain jokery, but Citizens prove that this miserable, mutually resentful battle of the sexes stuff is deadly serious to some people.

Nah, it's totally justified. I'm so sick of this "joking" that (heterosexual) relationships are supposed to be some kind of antagonistic conflict where every interaction is some way of gaining superiority in the relationship.
It's like the ultimate confluence of boomer humor and "are the straights okay" energy.

One must be in a weird position if your relationship makes other people question whether you even like your spouse y'know? There's tons of other factors of course but can you really be considered to be respectful of your SO and the relationship itself if you're hiding things that you know would be a betrayal of the other person in the relationship?
What a hosed up way of living.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!


I feel like the only reason this great blind behemoth of a game schlogs on is that it is, all things considered, not that big of a market for these vague original IP space shooty games.
Can you imagine what itíd look like if Star Wars Squadronsí gameplay reveal had the same air of cringe, brokenness, anguish and boredom as that legendary Christmas stream all those moons ago?

Itíd be nuked from orbit by the media and meme landscape.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable


Blue On Blue posted:

Time has shown us before that games which focus TOO much on being super specific and hardcore fidelitious don't last long once the honeymoon phase is over

I'm thinking of Hellion specifically, which was VERY unforgiving and modelled everything you could ever want re: space and vaccum and such

It never made it out of early access , as far as most people were concerned. Everyone that was going to bought it in the first 1-3 years after it launched in 2017, and then they called an end of development in 2019 stating there was no more income and couldn't afford to keep the servers up

March 2020 they officially disbanded the dev team and that's the end of that story.

What I'm trying to say is, the same is / will happen with SC , no matter how good a game it turns out to be.

Whoever said 90% of the people who want to play the game have already bought it is very true, even if the whales buy another 10 copies to try and keep it afloat on release day it won't matter. The game is dead already and hasn't even been released to the public

It's just a matter of time now until the money starts to run out and Chris can't keep spending 10k a month on server costs, I call the first sign will be them closing up a studio and playing it off as 'no longer needed because the development is so close to being finished'

It may be 1-2-3 more years but it's coming sure as taxes

I see that happening, but I also see the old Richard Garriott and Ultima Online episode repeating itself except after a development time of dozens of years.

CR wants people to play his game in a very specific way, if you don't play it that way, he will be utterly shocked.

"Why are you killing all the rabbits???"

"Because I can."
--
"Hello my loyal subj-"
*King CR is Killed by XxFucStkxX*

"Why did you do that????"

"Because I can."
--
*thief robs and murders players*

"Why are you doing that??? Why are you being so evil?!!!"

"I'm role playing a murdering thief, which I can do and because I can."

*sends thief player to bad player jail*
--
Nobody is playing the way I want them to. This didn't happen in the movies. Don't these people understand they are actors and supposed to act all this stuff out??

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos


SpaceSDoorGunner posted:

I wish major Tom would make more videos



I feel a disturbance in my force

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



peter gabriel posted:



I feel a disturbance in my force

marumaru
May 20, 2013





quote:

My first 72 hours. I am a masochist. self.starcitizen


It all started with a picture on my Twitter feed. The Mercury Star Runner. I had not been following the game nor had any clue where this beautiful, vivacious ship was from.

I must know more about you... I said to myself

I buried myself in YouTube videos. Ran through five or six beginner guides. I felt ready to jump into the game and dropped the last of my splurge money for the month on the Avenger Titan. Iím going to find you baby... Iím going to learn and be the best pilot for you when we meet

But then disaster struck. The moment I get into the Titan, I crash twice into the New Babbage hanger. WHY?! WHY DO I SUCK SO MUCH?! I immediately log off for the night.

What these beginners guides failed to mention was that there was a free flight mode. Where I could learn in a vacuum with little consequence. I gain some of my confidence back and log back into the world.

More learning pains occur. I would spend an hour trying to figure out how to do a single delivery mission. ONE WHOLE HOUR. But I feel so proud when I see the 8k credits depositing into my account. Iím becoming a citizen!

Midway through the second delivery mission, I land on this peculiar moon. I hop off and start running to my delivery destination... until suddenly I see a shadow casting overhead... wtf? Is that my ship???? I see my ship floating above me, tumbling away like a piece of paper blown by a gust of wind. And then an explosion. I sit in my chair, staring blankly at my screen for a whole minute. I finish my delivery and then log out.

Today, I told myself things would be different. I awaken in port Tressler. I claim and retrieve my poor ship and start to make my quantum jump. Out of no where, a police ship demands a scan. But itís too late...Iíve already initiated the jump. Iím fined and now have a crime stat on me. But I press on.

I finished three deliveries and one bounty hunt. Iím so proud of myself. Iím learning! Iím going to be the best pilot for you, my MSR! I port at lorville and find where to pay the fine.

20k. 20k aUEC. Most of the dayís pay. I cry internally, pay the fine, and then log out.

Now... will I continue to play? Despite all of these... unfortunate events?

You bet your rear end I will. I am a star citizen!

Edit: Y'all are mad lads. Awards for this drivel? You humble me!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable


I'm happy the guy is having fun.

Bronze Fonz
Feb 14, 2019






Gort posted:

I know someone who worked for a gambling site (bingo, in this case) and it was all women doing this exact thing to their husbands. I don't understand how people can live like that.

I don't get it either.

My wife was pretty impressed when she saw me playing GTA V, she went "woah" at the graphics and an explosion from a car I blew up. Then eventually she saw Cyberpunk and went "HOLY poo poo".

She doesn't play video games, never will. It was still a nice moment to show her what game graphics are like today and she was blown away. Then we talked about something else.

I cannot imagine having this "she better not find out!!!" dynamic in a relationship, how hosed up and unhappy must you be? Would you be interested in a Stadia subscription by any chance?

marumaru
May 20, 2013





https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/lq7maj/professionbased_gameplay_and_longterm_player/

who's gonna tell him

marumaru
May 20, 2013





The Titanic posted:

I'm happy the guy is having fun.

yeah sure, the problem is the amount of hoops you have to jump through
tutorials havent reached tier 0 yet?

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs



Grimey Drawer


What do people like this even want from a game? Just a complete 1:1 replacement for real life?

Sectopod
Aug 24, 2017



RE: Being bad with money



Why yes, I bought a Robertsian space pewpew game for a failed console, ported by Crave Entertainment (known for console shovel ware)
So I was ordering some other Dreamcast stuff and saw this for ~30 funbux and thought "I wonder how this plays on a console?"
And as it turns out... it's pretty okay-ish. The controls for flying and shooting feel pretty good with the DC controller, targeting of specific ships/subsystems is an awkward mess, but the game automatically switches to mission critical targets most of the times when you need it to.
The game itself is nothing new to me, since I own the original PC version (to be precise: I own the German localized version which has some of the cringiest voice acting in PC gaming history)

Pros:
- One of the few DC titles that supports 16:9 aspect ratio out of the box, and the game looks overall quite good
- To safe space, they cut out most of the FMV garbage between missions (clicking on objects in your cabin, walking to the briefing room, etc.), so it's just mission briefing -> fighter selection -> fighter loadout -> short FMV of pilots running to their ship -> pewpew , which streamlines the game experience in a good way
- Some good looking original fighter designs, that managed to avoid the usual Wing Commander trope of jet-fighters-in space

Cons:
- Well, it's still Starlancer, so the story is hot garbage: It's WWII in SPACE, this time even with Pearl Harbor in SPACE, but with the sides mixed up a bit: The Alliance (USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan) vs the evil Eastern Coalition (Russia, China, Arab States)
- Also still Starlancer: Dogfighting in this game is way too easy, so to introduce some difficulty the game relies way too much on you having to escort friendly capital ships, while waves of enemy bombers drop in from multiple angles to launch their torpedoes simultaneously. Have fun trying to shoot them all down in time while trying to avoid the splash damage from the torps.
- In contrast to the interesting fighter designs, the art team seems to have completely ran out of ideas when it came to capital ship designs. So we ended with a bunch of boxes that are glued together randomly (and the Japanese get a carrier design ripped straight out of Starship Troopers)

Overall, still a better investment than dropping $45 for a SC starter package.

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

they hummed of mystery


"I wish there was a sense of progression in this game, but I already bought all endgame ships in the cash shop" - some backer

lobsterminator
Oct 16, 2012






peter gabriel posted:



I feel a disturbance in my force

I backed the Shroud of the Avatar Kickstarter

I never even installed it because it ended up looking so lovely.

Biggest Kickstarter regret I have. At least it was only like 20 bucks and not Idris money.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs



Grimey Drawer

SotA was probably the last game I backed on Kickstarter and basically killed that platform for me. Played maybe an hour of it early on and realized it was never going to be a good game.

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos


lobsterminator posted:

I backed the Shroud of the Avatar Kickstarter

I never even installed it because it ended up looking so lovely.

Biggest Kickstarter regret I have. At least it was only like 20 bucks and not Idris money.

I got it because I thought it might be funny, it was not funny

Bumble He
Jul 1, 2018



The Titanic posted:

Ultimately, space shooters tend to be boring animals anyhow.

where good space sims shine though, i mean some important ingredients are:
- the atmosphere
- a sense of wonder
- a good briefing
- the ability to target/scan/distribute energy etc.

what i remember about space-sims is that they would really draw you in and let you in fact chill and forget about other stuff.
you were ďin the zoneď but not necessarily because what you saw on screen was so exciting and packed with fast cuts and jump scares, but because you wanted to be in this universe.

and that to me would be an important point: make the player want to be part of this universe.

and to me modern games often cannot deliver this feeling, i do not want a collectathon, i do not want to level up, i do not need a power fantasy, but i want a universe where im like yes i want to be part of this!

but that means that every little aspect of this universe needs to fit, because yeah it needs to be better than real life.

(i dont know where my post is going tbh, i lost track of my thoughs here)

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Lou Takki
Dec 4, 2009


Bumble He posted:

where good space sims shine though, i mean some important ingredients are:
- the atmosphere
- a sense of wonder
- a good briefing
- the ability to target/scan/distribute energy etc.

what i remember about space-sims is that they would really draw you in and let you in fact chill and forget about other stuff.
you were ďin the zoneď but not necessarily because what you saw on screen was so exciting and packed with fast cuts and jump scares, but because you wanted to be in this universe.

and that to me would be an important point: make the player want to be part of this universe.

and to me modern games often cannot deliver this feeling, i do not want a collectathon, i do not want to level up, i do not need a power fantasy, but i want a universe where im like yes i want to be part of this!

but that means that every little aspect of this universe needs to fit, because yeah it needs to be better than real life.

(i dont know where my post is going tbh, i lost track of my thoughs here)

My friend, you need to buy an Idris.....

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