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Dooguk
Oct 11, 2016



Pillbug

Next week is the 5th anniversary of the July Blog.

So much has changed.

Except for Star Citizen.

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Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Might die, but eh.


Solarin posted:

Richard Gariott:
Yeah, he was very explicit with what he wanted and you either did it that way or you were not part of his team...
I wonder whether all employees at CIG are obliged to know or learn miming to understand CR's explicit demands.

Edit: taxxe

Dwesa fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Jun 30, 2020

Solarin
Nov 15, 2007



RattiRatto posted:

What was the name of the backer with a seal avatar which had some serious depression going? We should definitely bring his posts up

Humility

I wonder if that ship hot tub cured his anhedonia

Solarin
Nov 15, 2007



Please enjoy this random classic from the last thread

https://i.imgur.com/NU1zoVa.gifv

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.



Junk Puncher posted:

I'm super far behind the thread, just got to the part where there's a goon exodus. I'm a long time lurker, like several years before my reg date on SA.

If anyone could shoot me an invite link for b & r that would be aces. Then I could never post there for a decade. Or IDK maybe this will pull me out of my shell. TIA!

Looks like the forums are gonna be OK, and that's good because some poo poo came out about the B&R admins.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017


Sanya Juutilainen posted:

Star Citizen schedule:
January: Planning month
February: Recovering from planning month
March: Secret/SQ42 work
April: More secret/SQ42 work
May: Some more secret/SQ42 work
June: Secret/SQ42 work ends, nothing of essence got released
July: Can't spoil CitCon
August: Can't spoil CitCon
September: Can't spoil CitCon
October: CitCon, nothing new (complete) gets revealed aside of ships to sale
November: Can't spoil end year video
December: End year video gets released, nobody mentions it ever again

On point except it's missing numerous ship sales.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017



Thank goodness these little bastards don't have fangs.

Rugganovich
Apr 29, 2017



Once again, you're doing<insert deities> work.

Rugganovich fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Jun 30, 2020

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011



Grimey Drawer

ggangensis posted:

I've just watched a gameplay video* of Renegade X, a remake of C&C Renegade using UE3. Looks pretty nice for a fan project and reminded me that comparing SC or ToW to a mod is an insult to modders. The level of amateurishness and incompetence from CIG is really a thing of its own and I tend to forget that Indies or Hobbyists release more stable and polished stuff these days. And if a mod project fails, well, I'm pretty sure most modders haven't scammed ~250 million dollars out of their users.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJK19FQqO78

I think the GoldenEye source mod also works better than both ToW or Star Marine, so yeah

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

C-Bangin' it



Solarin posted:

Please enjoy this random classic from the last thread

https://i.imgur.com/NU1zoVa.gifv

lol, I've been meaning to ask for this.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.


ggangensis posted:

I've just watched a gameplay video* of Renegade X, a remake of C&C Renegade using UE3. Looks pretty nice for a fan project and reminded me that comparing SC or ToW to a mod is an insult to modders. The level of amateurishness and incompetence from CIG is really a thing of its own and I tend to forget that Indies or Hobbyists release more stable and polished stuff these days. And if a mod project fails, well, I'm pretty sure most modders haven't scammed ~250 million dollars out of their users.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJK19FQqO78

What? Awesome.
I played the poo poo out of the multiplayer for Renegade.

Mostly what I remember is proper organization of GDI Engineers being pretty difficult to stop because NOD's obelisk of light couldn't fire fast enough to kill 3 of them before they could C4 it into the ground.
Or cheesing it up with the GDI rocket truck things from across the map because they could hit the tip of the obelisk from their own base.

I'm starting to realize that the obelisk kind of sucked.

I Greyhound
Apr 22, 2008

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor


ggangensis posted:

Everything you need to know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoxa5aKIvs

Trigger Warning: You might feel the urge to pump thousands of dollars in the BDSSE

So if you ever fill the briefing room seats, the server will be at capacity and there is no one outside the ship to fight, right?

Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001



ggangensis posted:

Everything you need to know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMoxa5aKIvs

Trigger Warning: You might feel the urge to pump thousands of dollars in the BDSSE

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


Sandweed posted:

Looks like the forums are gonna be OK, and that's good because some poo poo came out about the B&R admins.

Maybe one day I'll deem it worthy to grace this gay earth with a forum of my own. And then you all will be blessed with an admin without reproach. Until then, tough luck.

Zazz Razzamatazz
Apr 19, 2016

No hunks allowed, ya dangus

I Greyhound posted:

So if you ever fill the briefing room seats, the server will be at capacity and there is no one outside the ship to fight, right?

I'm the 50 seat briefing room on a ship that only holds 3 fighters...

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018



Solarin posted:

Chris fires people who tell him his plan is doomed. Or people that don't make the pixel bloom that way

This is exactly the stuff that lets me dislike Chris Roberts on a personal level. This guy is just a big rear end in a top hat. It started with his lies, his disrespectful behavior towards the work of his employees ("This interface has to die horribly") and his loving micromanagement.

So... this guy wrote some simple games for 8 bit micros in the 80s, directed a few FMV-sequences in the 90s, got the boot from Microsoft in the 2000s and vegetates as a used car dealer the following years. So what? How does any of this qualify this hack to lead a 500+ person company? He has neither the management- nor interpersonal skills, let alone technical prowess. This is literally the last guy you want to give a role as decision-maker. He is incapable of admitting he was wrong or that someone did good work, despite not being a 100% what he wanted.
He comes across like this spoiled child that wants to make the rules in the sandbox, no matter what.
The idea alone of having to work for such a piece of poo poo is sickening, and I'am pretty sure this guy is one of the main reasons no highly skilled specialist in a given field wants to work in his hellhole.

Rant over, but there are moments when it completely baffles me how anyone can give money to his slug of a person after 8 years of constant failure.

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018



trucutru posted:

Maybe one day I'll deem it worthy to grace this gay earth with a forum of my own. And then you all will be blessed with an admin without reproach. Until then, tough luck.

We could move this thread to spectrum

commando in tophat
Sep 5, 2019


ggangensis posted:

We could move this thread to spectrum

*moved to concern*

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TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House

Grimey Drawer

lol if they release the broken rear end 3.10 this week

Inacio
May 20, 2013



https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize..._ago_pinged_me/

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Might die, but eh.


ggangensis posted:

This is exactly the stuff that lets me dislike Chris Roberts on a personal level. This guy is just a big rear end in a top hat. It started with his lies, his disrespectful behavior towards the work of his employees ("This interface has to die horribly") and his loving micromanagement.

So... this guy wrote some simple games for 8 bit micros in the 80s, directed a few FMV-sequences in the 90s, got the boot from Microsoft in the 2000s and vegetates as a used car dealer the following years. So what? How does any of this qualify this hack to lead a 500+ person company? He has neither the management- nor interpersonal skills, let alone technical prowess. This is literally the last guy you want to give a role as decision-maker. He is incapable of admitting he was wrong or that someone did good work, despite not being a 100% what he wanted.
He comes across like this spoiled child that wants to make the rules in the sandbox, no matter what.
The idea alone of having to work for such a piece of poo poo is sickening, and I'am pretty sure this guy is one of the main reasons no highly skilled specialist in a given field wants to work in his hellhole.

Rant over, but there are moments when it completely baffles me how anyone can give money to his slug of a person after 8 years of constant failure.
All of this can be spun by cultists into something favorable, e.g. he is an experienced developer who was booted by evil megacorp publishers, is not afraid to 'tell it like it is', is true to his 'vision' down to the smallest detail etc. etc.

JackSplater
Nov 20, 2014

Metal Coat? It's already active?!


Inacio posted:

the new dragonfly hud is here guys!



buy a dragonfly!

I have to wonder about things like this. That neon-green lighting in there is just ridiculous. Cars, for decades, have had dimmable dashboard lights because they know in low-light environments you want as little ambient light as possible so you can see well. So now that you're in space, where it's VERY DARK, you want a neon lit dashboard?

Mirificus
Oct 29, 2004

Kings need not raise their voices to be heard


RattiRatto posted:

What was the name of the backer with a seal avatar which had some serious depression going? We should definitely bring his posts up



Xakura
Jan 10, 2019





Enchanted Hat
Aug 18, 2013

Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances


JackSplater posted:

I have to wonder about things like this. That neon-green lighting in there is just ridiculous. Cars, for decades, have had dimmable dashboard lights because they know in low-light environments you want as little ambient light as possible so you can see well. So now that you're in space, where it's VERY DARK, you want a neon lit dashboard?

I mean, you probably want a bright light when you're driving in a very dark environment, but the light is traditionally pointed ahead of your vehicle, not right in your face

RattiRatto
Jun 26, 2014

:I'd like to borrow $200M

:To make vidya game



This bot is so good. Can we replace frogbear with mirificus

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

Welcome to the
Dream Factory


Grimey Drawer

https://i.imgur.com/fz4Dw11.mp4

no_recall
Aug 17, 2015



Lipstick Apathy


It's raining, men? Hallelujah?

monkeytek
Jun 7, 2010

It wasn't an ELE that wiped out the backer funds. It was Tristan Timothy Taylor.



"It's raining men, Hallelujah!"

This is totally the "not faking it" elevator system isn't it?

Inacio
May 20, 2013



posted:

comments are fun

Fargin Icehole
Feb 18, 2011

Pet me.


ggangensis posted:

I've just watched a gameplay video* of Renegade X, a remake of C&C Renegade using UE3. Looks pretty nice for a fan project and reminded me that comparing SC or ToW to a mod is an insult to modders. The level of amateurishness and incompetence from CIG is really a thing of its own and I tend to forget that Indies or Hobbyists release more stable and polished stuff these days. And if a mod project fails, well, I'm pretty sure most modders haven't scammed ~250 million dollars out of their users.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJK19FQqO78

First off, I'm glad EA stopped dicking around with the IP and let Petroglyph studios (founded by ex-westwood employees after Ea dissolved them) work on C&C Remastered. It is absolutely worth it.

Second,I completely missed Renegade X when it first came out. I played the poo poo out of the original one, and this team's dedication is pretty inspiring.

poo poo let's not forget about mods and games that did so well and were so impressive and they became legitimate purchasable games, like Counterstrike, Day of defeat, Insurgency, Red Orchestra, Black Mesa.

Star Citizen on the outside had everything it could possibly hope for. A dedicated fanbase, a long drought of space games, a deal and backing of crytek with the engine. They chose to be so astronomically greedy while touting that they are the underdog, it really is disgusting.

I was worried that they not only posioned the well of crowdfunding forever, but ultimately be final nail in the coffin of the very genre they claim to be rescuing.

The only positive I can see from this is that interest for space games are coming back despite CIGs efforts to try and end it.

Fargin Icehole fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 30, 2020

Bumble He
Jul 1, 2018



ggangensis posted:

This is exactly the stuff that lets me dislike Chris Roberts on a personal level. This guy is just a big rear end in a top hat. It started with his lies, his disrespectful behavior towards the work of his employees ("This interface has to die horribly") and his loving micromanagement.

So... this guy wrote some simple games for 8 bit micros in the 80s, directed a few FMV-sequences in the 90s, got the boot from Microsoft in the 2000s and vegetates as a used car dealer the following years. So what? How does any of this qualify this hack to lead a 500+ person company? He has neither the management- nor interpersonal skills, let alone technical prowess. This is literally the last guy you want to give a role as decision-maker. He is incapable of admitting he was wrong or that someone did good work, despite not being a 100% what he wanted.
He comes across like this spoiled child that wants to make the rules in the sandbox, no matter what.
The idea alone of having to work for such a piece of poo poo is sickening, and I'am pretty sure this guy is one of the main reasons no highly skilled specialist in a given field wants to work in his hellhole.

Rant over, but there are moments when it completely baffles me how anyone can give money to his slug of a person after 8 years of constant failure.

you drop the hammer on chris pretty hard here, my verdict would not be that devastating i guess.
but after all the bits of information we got through the years i suppose that he is not able to do what he does.
if a boss of 500 is spending his time micromanaging some art assets that means trouble because its a total fail in focus, since a person only has 24 hours a day. he should better have real good managers beneath him.
also a person which is omnipresent during the hype and disappears during the hard times, thats another fail.

but since we are just spectators in this performance art piece we can only hope that this will all lead to some more lulz before the inevitable game over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyTy1eUWgwI

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

Welcome to the
Dream Factory


Grimey Drawer


Resurrecting my thread title of ~wayback~

Star Citizer: The Man Who Fell Through Earth

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

It's just a pledge bro!


https://i.imgur.com/nBLMKLi.gifv

rePool
Apr 18, 2019

Undercover Goon.

So long and thanks for all the fish



It would be funny if he lost another account...

He's been down that road before


https://twitter.com/dawnofevil

Forget him being a Star Citizen backer, he's just a crappy person in general.

rePool
Apr 18, 2019

Undercover Goon.

So long and thanks for all the fish


Finally caught up on 300 or so pages. I thought I'd never catch up, lol.

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

Invoking fairy dust is not a crime.


rePool posted:

Finally caught up on 300 or so pages. I thought I'd never catch up, lol.

It used to be an accomplishment but nowadays even filthy casuals can keep up.

ggangensis
Aug 24, 2018



Bumble He posted:

you drop the hammer on chris pretty hard here, my verdict would not be that devastating i guess.
but after all the bits of information we got through the years i suppose that he is not able to do what he does.
if a boss of 500 is spending his time micromanaging some art assets that means trouble because its a total fail in focus, since a person only has 24 hours a day. he should better have real good managers beneath him.
also a person which is omnipresent during the hype and disappears during the hard times, thats another fail.

but since we are just spectators in this performance art piece we can only hope that this will all lead to some more lulz before the inevitable game over

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyTy1eUWgwI

That's my hope, too. Chris' appearances and the soundtrack where the two best things that came out of this. The 2015 holiday stream where he played his own creation was peak-Chris Roberts. Or the Sandworm that never did that before. Never. But sadly, even on that front Chris fails to deliver nowadays.

Anyway, I get the impression that he saw all of this as a big, personal playground:
- He feels like doing mo-cap with AAA-actors, so he just does it. Hiring someone with actual experience in this field? Nah, where is the fun in that? Results 6 years later: None
- Failing to deliver anything of substance over 8 years with SQ42 M.I.A.? You know what, I feel like designing moon clothes, that's what's important right now.
- Absolutely no idea what this guy is doing? Well, it must be poo poo anyway, let him redo it for some superficial reason pulled straight from my rear end.

I think this guy has a serious problem trusting his employees and delegating stuff. His approach might have worked in the early 90s when dev-teams where way smaller, but in todays video game industry? drat, the end credits for Infinite Warfare rolled for five full minutes. If you have someone at the helm who's convinced.. no, knows he could do every single task better himself ("I judge times by how fast I could do it" - CRobs) is just a recipe for failure.

However as a social experiment it's interesting: "What happens if you give a Narcissist unlimited money?". I think every single publisher would have canned this project, at the latest in 2015 and cut the losses. But now with crowdfunding, who knows, I think the title of the most expensive failure in video game history is all but safe. The message announcing the end of the project will blame other people and factors, that's a given with Chris, but it will be a funny read nonetheless.

But maybe this will never happen, I don't think that Chris' disappearance is a coincidence. It might be he's going through a divorce right now, fighting for his mansion, and just has other things on his mind than Star Citizen. But it could also be the case that Calders tasked some people with looking a bit deeper into their investment. Maybe they conducted anonymous surveys with the employees, attended some meetings, whatever, but it became clear pretty fast that every missed deadline, every wasted dollar and every bad decision lead to Chris. So they had a talk with him, convincing him it would be better if he stays in the background for now. With his paycheck intact, of course.

The video... I know, I shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but the guy in the pillar talk video with the funny haircut looks mentally challenged and even physically unable to criticize Chris. drat.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



: And taking into account a bunch of awful subreddits that weren't banned, the refunds subreddit won't probably be dealt with either being tame in comparison. And who knows, maybe Reddit considers Star Citizen supporters who don't like being harassed as some kind of majority and then it is perfectly okay to be harassed according to the updated policy.

: I backed up the entire subreddit.

there is a tool on "data hoarders" that makes it really easy.

there is a tool for twitter, and even the something aweful's own website.

makes keyword searching fun. super easy.

yeah I have a feeling their subreddit is going to need to change. its not a refund sub. its literally an attack platform to perform harassment. the many many logic fallacies are their only friend.


Too bad you have to be able to spell in order to properly use the keyword search function.

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XK
Jul 9, 2001

Star Citizen is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now, in this very room. You can see it's fidelity when you look out your window or when you watch youtube



I'm glad they're backing up and archiving people who are critical of the game, and think it is being mismanaged.

Thank you?

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