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Sarsapariller posted:Yeah unfortunately as per the previous posts in here, SC backers are not all that unusual in terms of their awfulness when held up against any mainstream game community. The only real factor that makes it seem worse is that the saner people have been peeled away, giving the awful shitbags a louder voice. But even that isn't uncommon- people who aren't insane raving monsters tend to be driven off of game forums regardless of game quality. Look at the forum for any major MMO, online shooter, competitive game, whatever- chances are you will see exactly the same type of posts, with the only major factor being what the mods will tolerate. And nobody wants to pay for mods. I think for me what makes SC people uniquely awful is that they are in large part gamer dads. It's much easier to expect awfulness from teens or early 20s people than 45 year olds. Similar thing with the flight sim community. Before MSFS the average age in flight sim forums was probably 55. And they used to get angry if some young whipper snappers didn't respect the EULA of a payware plane to the letter.
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lobsterminator posted:I think for me what makes SC people uniquely awful is that they are in large part gamer dads. It's much easier to expect awfulness from teens or early 20s people than 45 year olds. They're the same olds who pass around obvious hoaxes via email chain like FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:PROUD AMERiCAN MARINE INTELLECTUALLY OWNS COMMUNIST AMERICA HATING PROFESSOR! GOD BLESS!
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Thank you for the thoughtful responses. I have seen toxicity and hatefulness in many game forums (both official and third-party) over the years, and a quick search for MOBA and fighting game communities suggested that there are definitely communities that are more vicious and outwardly vile than SC's. Mordhau, which Fish brought up, was even mentioned outside of the gaming press per se as a haven for white supremacists. The kindest white supremacist is orders of magnitude worse than the most deluded, arrogant, CIG-stanning game dad, so long as said game dad is not also a white supremacist (or incel or anon or whatever). The funny thing, though, is that the white supremacists at least have a real game to structure their community around. It is a finished, working product. The SC community has all the same toxic elements of, say, a MOBA or shooter or fighting game community, but layered with rank delusion about the state of their "game" and a sneering superiority complex. As if the Nazis playing Mordhau also bragged about spending four figures on a special sword that never transcended the .jpg stage of development and that, even if it were to be implemented, would cause the player to clip through the ground upon swinging it and then crash the client, all while telling everyone else how smart and special they are for "supporting" the most bestest company ever. This is what I meant by "worst," and I recognize in retrospect that my question was too subjective and poorly phrased. Edit: missed a "dad."
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Something that happens is that when a community starts to get a little toxic, the decent people decide to do better things with their time, which gives more airtime to the shitheads, and turns borderline shitheads into total shitheads. So it can be a bit of a feedback loop in that way
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And the best gaming community, hands down would have to be ..... Line of Defense ..... Just ask Titanic how supportive and open to discussion they are.
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Like 50% of all posts on the steam forums are just straight up nazi poo poo.
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Kosumo posted:And the best gaming community, hands down would have to be ..... Line of Defense ..... Just ask Titanic how supportive and open to discussion they are. You can never escape key from one of those arguments. 
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Rotten Red Rod posted:What I like best about LTI is that it's either going to be so powerful that it will piss off those who can't afford it, or so inconsequential it will piss off those who paid for it. Which is why it's in CIG's best interest to never, ever implement it. Yup. Unless.... ...hey CIG intern, slip a note in the suggestion box that every ship has insurance, but players whose ships don't have lifetime insurance must sit through an unskippable ten-minute fully mo-capped claims adjustment cutscene after their ship blows up. It's a perfect solution: it's something that mobile games already do but CIG can claim is a new, very immersive, realistic thing that they invented, plus Chris'll make a little extra money writing the script for the scene and will have all kinds of fun yelling at the people he assigns to make it. And you can even pretend you're keeping your "no ship You could maybe even stick players without LTI in a locked waiting room before that cutscene, where some ad server would feed a couple of 30-second commercials to every screen, too. Something's gonna have to pay the bills if this ever gets released, after all. Remember: Star Citizen is a game all about the total immersion created by inconveniences and tedium. That's what your customers want, and they will pay you every penny they can in order to skip most of it.
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I love the look he gives right after chucking the fish.
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Imo worst communities are where WW2, multiplayer, and free to play meet. Think war thunder and sorts. Game itself very fun. But you will be playing with people who are constantly raging, pissing off everyone, and who are generally racist queerphobe shitheads. In the forums there will be uncountable pages of weirdos arguing whether a certain vehicles performance lines up with the experience that a forme pilot recalled in an off hand interview he gave 60 years after the war ended. Debates about a planes turning radius devolve into whether technical reports can or can't be trusted due to their political affiliation. Half the people are wheraboos for whom historical accuracy means that they can run around with SS avatars and skins but crucially not that anyone may give them poo poo for it or that they have to deal with the historical weaknesses of their 1945 underground-slave-built wat machines that tended to explode on the tarmac. You will have people insulting each other over whether or not they are willing to spend hundreds of hours grinding a fraction of a plane, calling each other snowflakes and millennials over that, and insinuating that the devs are incompetent because they're slavs or alternatively that they're manipulating players because theyre low key a KGB pay op. You gaze into that community you lose all hope.
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The worst community is Elder Scrolls Modding. Just go visit the Awful/Awesome mods thread in Games and see for yourself. Or look up Arthmoor and what a dipshit he is. Or hell, I'd say Bethesda modding in general because there's that dude who made a mod for Fallout 4 and included a secret button that made Brotherhood of Steel blimps roll out swastika flags and giving them nazi uniforms. I give him props that at least he built it as a physical button in the game world.
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Lord Stimperor posted:Imo worst communities are where WW2, multiplayer, and free to play meet. Think war thunder and sorts. Jesus. I can't fathom voluntarily exposing myself to that level of toxicity. I find the enterprise of gamifying WW2 really awkward and uncomfortable in general, and I actively avoid anyone who wants to talk about Nazis as anything other than a plague. Sounds like when you combine overt WW2 gamifying with a typical online gaming community you get actual poison.
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The Titanic posted:Check out I noticed this earlier, but didn't want to check it out until I had a drink available. I'm glad I did. Holy poo poo. I'd imagined that the conversations around adult games would normalize some stuff that would be regarded as openly creepy and gross in more mainstream gaming fora, but WOW. I'm not surprised, I guess, but sort of amazed. Insulting each other over niche fetish preferences and talking about female bodies like cuts of meat while openly discussing sexual violence fantasies ... just gross.
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I re-learned a valuable lesson today: what makes the SC fan community so abysmal isn't its "normal" horribleness (racism, sexism, weird rapey stimpire fantasies), but the fact that they've chosen a broken, ridiculous, predatory scam to scaffold said horribleness. The adult game forums made me want to take a shower (and not the fun kind), the MOBA and shooter forums made me pine for better public-option anger management services, and the WW2 game forums made me despair for the way we teach modern history. But all of those are built around real games with mechanics that work, and most of the games aren't as absurdly rapacious as Crobblerto's JPEG Factory, so at least when they argue over the availability of Waffen SS insignia or breast sizes or OPness they are grounded in some kind of reality. In short, the most valuable takeaway is that I should stop worrying and buy
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Lord Stimperor posted:Imo worst communities are where WW2, multiplayer, and free to play meet. Think war thunder and sorts. Boy do I have news to you, there are games where WW2, multiplayer, f2p, and big anime tits meet. The promised land! Lord Stimperor posted:In the forums there will be uncountable pages of weirdos arguing whether a certain vehicles performance lines up This but the vehicle is also tsundere cat maid and the argument is not only about performance but also bust size and how she must be protected nya. trucutru fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Jun 22, 2021 |
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Kikas posted:The worst community is Elder Scrolls Modding. Just go visit the Awful/Awesome mods thread in Games and see for yourself. Or look up Arthmoor and what a dipshit he is. I modded Skyrim VR as a project during lockdown last year and came to despise Arthmor. I still pop in to the Skyrim VR subreddit and point people towards a copy of UESP that he obsesses over.
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Lord Stimperor posted:I think the only community that doesn't deserve to be nuked is Stardew Valley You haven't seen the wrong mods then, because there are some goddamn horrors in there. And drama. And surprise rape content in story mods.
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God I want to get to the zoo and see some otters.
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Lammasu posted:God I want to get to the zoo and see some otters. Or just move to Japan. These two are housepets (Kotaro and Haha on YouTube)
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text editor posted:Or just move to Japan. These two are housepets (Kotaro and Haha on YouTube)
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Back when I was playing Battlefield 1942, writing something like "Rommel was a Nazi" or "Rommel was a bad tactician" in the public or team chat would stop players dead in their tracks to start writing screeds.
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Story of Ricky vs The Stimpire. You decide.
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Lord Stimperor posted:I think the only community that doesn't deserve to be nuked is Stardew Valley I have yet to see awful mods for games like Cities Skylines and people are usually chill about it, just fantasizing about the most spaghettified interchanges. Although I won't be surprised if someone somewhere tried to build concentration camp in their game. I don't think SC community is more toxic than average toxic gaming community, it's just more cultish.
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Dwesa posted:Even that one has some odd fetish mods and such. The internet promotes more extreme displays to stand out in a anyomous crowd. Now I'm a really chill dude so generally don't get drawn into dramas and maybe this thread has shone a light on the more disturbing individuals of the community. That being said the star citizen community has been the most toxic echochamber of people willing to deny blatant facts I have come across. I have hope every that every other gaming community is better than this by default. (Crazy porn games excepted)
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DigitalPenny posted:The internet promotes more extreme displays to stand out in a anyomous crowd. The titles in Star Citizen, are tied to amount spent. Backers generally post about their ship purchases on the Star Citizen subreddit. Backers also generally promote unhealthy spending habits to ensure everyone has FOMO for the latest limited edition ship. Buying an Idris will get you the attention you want.
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 Pretty excited about finding these again. This game is why I have a passion for space games.
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Dwesa posted:
research_is_the_enemy_of_being_a_good_consumer.txt
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Dwesa posted:
chris did not make this game though?
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Sandweed posted:Like 50% of all posts on the steam forums are just straight up nazi poo poo. I wonder if it really is impossible to moderate effectively or what. I'm assuming that even if people got banned from Steam Community they would just make another account since there's not really any roadblocks there. But it's one of those things where you have to put in the effort to build a culture where it's socially unacceptable to post like a shitlord and I don't know how many people Valve would have to hire to moderate the mess that is steam discussion.
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communities like steam forums are a bit like youtube comments in that there's a 'self selection' thing going on. Random people may use steam forums once or twice for tech support or post a comment once a year on youtube, but the people that use either as a form of community are going to be... odd. Only odd people would decide, yes, i'll be a part of the steam forum community, or i'll try to use youtube comments as a legitimate form of communication. And surprise, both are full of nazis.
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Game specific discussion boards are usually fine, apart from the occasional "this game has a female protagonist why did you make it political" but the overall steam boards are crack ping central.
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Here's an article about one of the most repugnant gaming communities I've heard of. According to it's former owner it's full of nazis.
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