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iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

What Is Star Citizen?

Launching in 2014, Star Citizen is the glorious rebirth of the space sim as a genre. Brought to you by the creative mind behind Wing Commander and also Wing Commander: The Movie, Star Citizen consists of two parts: a massive online universe where millions of players will interact, and a standalone narrative single-player experience that will bring all the excitement and star power of a blockbuster movie to your pc. And best of all, Star Citizen is fully(ish) crowdfunded, which means it can't be rushed to release by big publishers desperate to make a buck! In Star Citizen, a player can be anything they want to be, whether they make their fortune mining ore on distant planetoids, delivering trade goods, or chasing criminals through the streets of expansive city planets as a bounty hunter. Star Citizen strives to offer the player unlimited choice in a fully-immersive universe, with an extreme focus on realism and fidelity. Features like perma-death, ship insurance, and even a permanent reputation system that includes cleanliness ensure the player makes meaningful choices and feels the result of those choices as they navigate the universe. To flesh out this living, breathing universe, Star Citizen features a wide variety of starships for players to own, pilot, and destroy. These ships are as detailed and advanced as the characters themselves, with thousands of hours of thought put into their design and function. Will you be a trade kingpin running expensive goods across the 'Verse in your Hull E, or perhaps a high-end tour guide for fancy patrons with your 890 Jump? That is up to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJJ9TcGxhNY

Holy loving shitballs, this sounds amazing! How do I get in on this?

Getting started in Star Citizen is incredibly easy! First, visit Star Citizen's website at https://www.robertsspaceindustries.com and then navigate to their store page. From there you can select the ship you feel best suits the kind of gameplay you want, and buy it! Be careful, as the best ships do not come with a game package, which is required to play the game.



Wait, are those prices in real human dollars? What the gently caress?

Of course they are! Star Citizen didn't become the most crowdfunded video game of all time by not letting players spend thousands of dollars on fake space ships! Don't worry though, you only have to spend $45, so long as you don't mind not being able to kill anything or complete 80% of the missions in the game! Everything is fine, there's nothing to worry about! Spend as little as you like, and know that those who have spent tens of thousands of dollars for infinitely better spaceships than you will absolutely treat you with respect and kindness, and will in no way demand you work on their ships in serfdom. This is the glorious space future, and you can either pull yourself up by the bootstraps in real life and give Chris Roberts $10,000 or you can enjoy grinding for 900 hours carrying boxes to and fro before you get a better ship. And you'll like it!

Okay, what is Star Citizen really?

Star Citizen is an absolutely incredible grift that has been separating gullible dorks from their money since 2012 despite being run by a comically incompetent group of dreamers, scam artists, vampires, and recent Full Sail graduates. It has made headlines for everything from being the biggest crowdfunded video game of all time to being five years overdue to telling a backer with MS who wanted a refund to gently caress off in a court of law. It is defended by a militant group of nerds who threaten, and harass people for making jokes about their video game, and mocked by other nerds basically anywhere it is brought up. It would be impossible to fully list out the astonishing number of absolutely batshit things that have happened during Star Citizen's development, not the least of which includes Derek Smart (of Derek Smart's Desktop Commander fame) stirring from his eternal slumber to become Cloud Imperium's immortal foe (he actually pissed them off so much they forcibly refunded him, something they won't even do to actual literal nazis). All of these events play out over a sort of background radiation of immense financial waste, from $27,000 pledge packages to $250 a plate dinners, which are so common as to be unremarkable at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGRsEF953n0





An absolutely in no way complete list of notable Star Citizen drama:
  • CIG Forum moderators ban goons for asking a large-dollar backer to stop sending them pictures of his penis
  • CIG spends thousands of dollars on a space door for their office, then tells backers they assembled it out of scrap wood and a garage door opener
  • Literally the exact same thing but with a $17,000 espresso machine
  • VP of Marketing (and wife of the CEO) Sandi Gardiner gets personally involved with forums user Beer4theBeerGod's customer service case, sends expletive-filled email to customer
  • CIG CEO Chris Roberts spends 8 hours writing rambling, incomprehensible response to Escapist article, then posts it on the main page of the game's website
  • Derek Smart forcibly refunded, Derek and Beer accused of "corporate espionage" for loving up and leaking the name of an upcoming ship early
  • Backers threaten to sue CIG if they aren't refunded, get refunds
  • Backer actually does sue CIG for a refund, gets told to pound sand in actual court
  • CIG puts the entirety of Squadron 42 up for collateral against a payday loan
  • CIG gets sued by Crytek for massive breach of contract
  • CIG takes private investment to the tune of $46 million from the Calders

Meanwhile, in between creating glossy promos for $800 art assets and the occasional Jeremy Clarkson knockoff, the actual dev team at CIG have been hard at work trying to scrape together a pile of playable features big enough to call a game. You could, in fact, go play Star Citizen right now. If you wanted to. And... I'm not sure why you would:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go1oFvxUoeI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2VmB4L5goY

Star Citizen at its best:





https://i.imgur.com/A3RS54x.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/gqrmDAk.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/8Sg90Jq.mp4

So please, join us now on our continuing journey through this buggy, lovely space game and the antics of the group of hucksters who want you to spend your kid's college fund on it. And if you are one of the many goons who fell for this and then forgot about it because it has been seven goddamn years since you preordered, please



lol jk no refunds, you're hosed pal

Notable links, previous threads, etc.

iron buns fucked around with this message at 22:29 on May 26, 2020

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iron buns
Jan 12, 2016





Two Weeks until the end of Q3! :toot:

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016


That sounds like something Chris Roberts would write.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Hello CIG thread intern!

This is your friendly reminder that Q3 is ending today.

Good luck!

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Star Citizen: Actually a tojal meltdown thread

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Jan 12, 2016



iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Star Citizen: This game would be loving awesome if it wasn't such poo poo!

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Star Citizen: PayStarCitizen.com

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

"Fund comes first, game maybe later"

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Hello CInoG thread intern!

This is your friendly reminder that Q4 ends in 5 weeks.

Good luck!

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016


spreadsheet posted:

Leaks are bad. Stop it
ShapCap

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

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Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

TheAgent posted:

The funny thing is that the $9m or so made in November just got evaporated by this deal, basically.

Thank you for paying Star CitizenTurbulent!

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Waves of Hands

Weeks of Two

Parps of Oldman

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Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016


Verticals sure seems to be worried about people talking about him. Almost as if being a moderator of a subreddit dedicated to stalking an old man has taught him that people can be idiots.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

But then we would miss out on high quality content like this:

:reddit: posted:

I don't like this subreddit. They can either have people like me, or people like you - there's no room for the both of us. And the moderators of this subreddit have made it abundantly clear that they prefer trolls and liars like yourself.

...

I see your point.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

colonelwest posted:

Procedural birds, Sataball and drink mixing are the holy trinity for me. I’m cashing in my mutual funds to buy JPEGs the second they make it to the PU.

Can't wait to see reddit going all "See? See!? It was all a Goon ploy to force CIG to implement the features they wanted!" over this.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016



quote:

Convincing naysayers is the last thing we should care about. gently caress them, they wanna hate based on incomplete and obsolete knowledge? Go for it. Keeps them out of the game and out of the community.

quote:

I would love for the game to become so good to the point that haters end up wanting to play it, and then are not allowed to.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

quote:

A Near Death Experience (NDE) caused me to spend over $31,000 on Star Citizen!

Clickbaiting aside … There’s been so many posts lately about the crowdfunding approach CIG is taking with SQ42/SC, both negative and positive. I think many people following this project … the true believers, the casual player, the mildly interested from afar, the gamers who think this level of crowdfunding is for the unintelligent, even to those who think this whole thing is a sham … might want a more well rounded perspective on all the different people who are making SQ42/SC possible and their motivations. Plus, writing things like this is therapeutic for managing the PTSD I suffer with after the accident.

Trust me … it’s not about pixel ships for everyone. Here’s my story.

My Backstory

I’ve been to CitizenCon so I know the people who are enthusiastic about our game and its development are truly diverse, young and old. Here’s a bit about me.

I’m a 45 year old male living in the heartland of the United States. I’m a multiple Emmy award winning Director and Cinematographer. I’ve worked on several feature films and episodic television, music videos, etc. But my core work (and income) comes from working in the advertising industry. My work has taken me all over the world, shooting in Iceland, Faeroe Islands, Thailand, New Zealand, etc etc. I own my own business and its the only job I’ve ever had (started when I was 21 years old). I absolutely love what I do.

I’m married with one daughter who’s 23 years old.
I make a very comfortable living. I can say money isn’t a stress point for us. That being said, I don’t have a private jet, houses all over the world, or a stable of Lamborghini’s.

I’ve been a gamer since I was 5 years old and gaming is my most passionate hobbies among many. My father owned a successful mainframe software business developing big data software for Fortune 500 companies. So, I’ve also been around software development pretty much my entire life.

The Accident that Brought Us Here

I was shooting a television/web campaign for a large national bank in remote Idaho (North America). We were capturing footage of adventurous people enjoying the outdoors. We were on day 2 of 10 and shooting on the Snake River which is fed from the Teton mountains and managed by reservoirs.
I wanted to capture a fly-fisherman on the Snake River by a waterfall. I had scouted the location a month prior and the producer and I both made notes where we would shoot from and where we could enter and exit the river bank.

Unfortunately, reservoirs had been raised just days before our shoot day and now on location the topology of the river had changed drastically. The bank from which we were to shoot was now under water and access to the river was limited. We noticed a small patch of land in the middle of the river that might work for a place to shoot our shots.
We had already traveled quite far to get our shots so we started forming a Plan B. We had a 5 man boat with us … kind of a canoe/flatbottom boat hybrid. One of the grips on set and the actor were outdoorsmen and they took the lead.

We scouted up river looking for a place to launch the boat. Visibility was limited due to trees and our cliff-side road. Eventually we spotted a nice 50-70 meter patch of calm water roughly 500 meters upstream from our shooting point.

So its myself, a British photographer, the grip, and the actor making the boat trip. We get ready and I had a heightened sense of anxiety. My camera kit is no joke. (RED Epic, Cooke Anamorphic 35mm lens, all kitted out … roughly 38 pounds). I’m getting a slew of instruction and direction about the boat ride that I barely acknowledge when my AC comes up to me just as we’re getting into the boat.

“I’m going to tie the camera to your life vest with paracord. If you lose grip that should keep it from going overboard.” he says.

https://imgur.com/0TJoCMr
(Moments before we jump in the boat. Me on left. The photographer, Simon, on right)

Myself and the photographer are told to stay in the middle, keep as low a center of gravity as possible, and make no sudden movements. The guys on the ends of the boat will do all the paddling and steering.
I take my spot 3rd from the front with the photographer in front of me and the grip at the bow. Sitting on my calves, camera on my shoulder and off we push.

As we hit the water there’s a rocking back and forth as everyone is getting their balance then its smooth sailing.

About 50 meters in we make a right turn onto a section of river we couldn’t see from the cliff-side road … poo poo … Rapids.

Something I’ll never forget until I die is the slow turn and look on the grips face as he looked back at us. “It’s going to be fine. STAY LOW and paddle like a motherfucker!”

As we hit the swift water we take on quite a bit of water into the boat. My initial reaction was shock at how cold the water feels .. It is snow melt after all. We take on enough water to cover my thighs.
We make it through the rough patch but we’re in bad shape. The guys are still paddling with insane urgency and we’re headed to the patch of land we need to shoot from. Only thing between us and the land is very swift current we need to cross perpendicularly.

As soon as we hit this current the boat rocks one direction then the next taking on waves of water then disappears below me into darkness. I have a vivid memory of the photographers head going underwater and his hat coming off his head.
My first instinct is to swim to our spot and save the camera. I have it raised above my head and my feet aren’t touching. To make matters worse I’m submerged in ice cold water and my body is uncontrollably gasping. I can feel myself breathing water and coughing it back up.

Now, you hear stories about how time slows down in moments like this and let me tell you something … It's 100% true. The realization of what was happening came zooming at me like I was shot out of a cannon. I start to look around for something to grab … Nothing around and the 3 others on the boat with me had made their way to clutch precariously to the cliff face … holding onto roots and roughage.

There’s not many times … if ever … in your adult life you scream out for help. Real, high-pitched, screams. I’m a firm believer that once you’ve had to do this something changes chemically in your brain that alters it forever. So, here I am, camera over my head, trying to jump and bob off the bottom of the river screaming for my life. It’s not a good look.

“Drop the loving camera!!” I hear the voices say. “Drop it!”

No camera is worth this risk I remember thinking and I drop it. Then the conversation I breezed over with my AC came rushing back with vivid clarity as the camera now becomes a human anchor. Clutching frantically at the knot, then buckle of my vest all the while gasping for air. My bobs above surface further and further apart.

Now time REALLY slows down. I start to realize the chances of survival are diminishing. I come to almost embrace it. Asking myself questions like ‘Who will take care of my wife and daughter? Surely my dad will step in and help. Hrm, did I ever really show my wife where my insurance policy was? She’s going to have an awful time with my production insurance as well…’

Then the visuals … Projected in the water, random scenes from my life. Oh, this is the whole ‘life flashing before my eyes’, I thought. Really random, seemingly non-connected memories projected into that cold abyss.

Then … *THONK* Something strikes my shoulder. The boat. What happened next is a bit of a blur but the actor had made his way out into the water and pushed the boat far out enough for me to grab onto. Someone snaps me up by my hoodie and reality comes rushing back. All four of us are huddled on a cliff face … still in the water.

“AM I DEAD? I DIDN’T MAKE IT” I’m yelling into the photographers face. He’s telling me I’m fine but I’m shivering, gasping, coughing and all he can do is hold me … I’ll never ever forget it “You’re fine, You’re fine … we made it”

After a vigorous climb we make it back to our base camp where producers, clients and other crews eyes are as big as saucers. “We saw the boat go by 15 mins ago!!”

Then it happens .. the adrenaline dump. I’m screaming at everyone. I totally red-misted. My producer snatches me up and says “HEY HEY let's go for a walk bud … “.

I’m man enough to tell you that I cried like I’ve never cried in my life. Like, soul cleansing uncontrollable weeping. I’ll never forget it.

Okay great - What does this have to do with Star Citizen?

Anyone who’s had a Near Death Experience (NDE) experiences something different. For me it was a vivid realization of my mortality. It was all consuming. Then it became OCD with time management. I was having a hard time dealing with the fact that every day is another day I march toward the end.

Then it morphed into obsession with all the things I won't be able to experience in my lifetime. Almost depressingly neurotic. My father was an astronomy enthusiast and I spent many nights as a child looking at the stars, pouring over star charts, watching Cosmos, etc.

I was flip-flopping between being infuriated and depressed that I won't live long enough to experience true space travel.

Then, a friend mentions something called Star Citizen to me. I latch on like no tomorrow. I read every article, watch every video, start watching streams. This is what I need.

Citizens … I’m all in guys. I have to see this project through. It’s as close as I’m going to get. Star Citizen is my therapy.

My career keeps me very busy but when I have free time, I’m in the stars. I’m in a really buttoned-up Org (Shout out Synchronizers!) of like minded (kinda!) enthusiasts. It might be the closest thing I’ll experience to space travel.

For me and my sanity … it’s the best money I ever spent.

https://imgur.com/GW7Fxvx

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016



Massively OP’s 2019 Awards: Worst MMO Business Model - STAR CITIZEN & FALLOUT 76

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:v: Something has gone wrong

:reddit: Nothing has gone wrong. The project has rightly reevaluated the available options and luckily adapted correctly with a more appropriate scope. And complaining about not enough transparency in the most transparent game development ever is a truly off-scale dumb accusation just because the singleplayer part is not open.

:v: It's ok, you should dial down the outrage a smidge. Don't pop a vein. Criticism is not a bad thing.

:reddit: Correct. The OP is not critisism though, its a badly hidden atteempt at the usual crap we get from the cult of anti SC-ists who don't seem to have anything better to do. Let me check that dudes history.... Edit: ok, he seems fine. Maybe just a bit underinformed and jumping to overly hasty conclusions.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

New Legatus Pack: $35k. Only available to those who have spent at least $10k already.

https://imgur.com/a/OQyumZL

:homebrew:

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Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:reddit: Please help me out here people. This isn't a complaining post. Help me keep the faith. I played for about 2 hours and couldn't do anything without running into some type of game breaking bug. This final straw of me was missing a train because you can't hold backspace to delete text. You have to manually press the key for every letter.... How do they realistically plan on fixing all of this while actually having an MMO with thousands of players? Drop some facts on me people! I need this!

:v: To fix all the bugs they need to have the core tech in place fully. SOCS, Server Meshing, Quantawhatever, etc.. IIRC at CCon they mentioned that they wanted to improve the PU gameplay this year. Every new patch I spend a few hours failing until I understand what bugs are out there and what to do to get around them. You're not alone.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

quote:

The whole year of 2019 I was lurking the Something Awful Star Citizen section to get news about refunds/delays/excuses and the mis-managment of Chris Roberts and Star Citizen but now as of 1/1/2020 the site has gone into paid only viewership and gone dark. I'm getting a message saying I have to either pay money OR I cant read/look at the Star Citizen thread anymore.

Any clue whats going on? edit: Looks like the entire website has gone pay only to view.

Kind of a scummy thing to do making people pay money to see a thread, almost reminds me of the crap Chris Roberts does with artificial scarcity on the ships "Sold out" and then making people pay for "Concierge access" to buy said ships.

If you're part of the SA Goons crew who also frequents here, make sure you send a PM to the admins and tell them a big F.U. Quit doing the same bull-poo poo that Chris and Sandi are guilty of.

:wave:

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:v: posted:

I'm a fan of Elite Dangerous and purchased Star Citizen because I thought it would be cool to be able to walk around and fly a space ship in the same game. Within an hour of starting, I ran into some bugs that made the game basically unplayable (unless any of you folk know what the issues might be).

To start off, I got in my ship and the cursor that shows which direction I'm rotating towards was gone. This made it very very difficult to fly the ship, since I was basically unable to point the ship in the direction I wanted. I figured a good ol' relog would fix the issue. Sadly, after logging back in and trying to retrieve my ship, I get an error. "Unable to retrieve vehicle, try again later." I tried retrieving it a few more times and a few more relogs, with no luck.

I did a bit of research and found the only ways to get around this are to either retrieve a different ship, or have someone fly you to a different port where you can claim the ship. Of course, I don't know anyone else who plays the game and no one in the chat was willing to help me at the time. I also do not have any backup ships.

So about an hour in and already super frustrated. Is this a common problem, or am I just really unlucky? Am I doing something wrong?

:reddit: posted:

What part of beta dont you understand?

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Daztek posted:

Squadron 42 doesn't actually exist? :v:

:hmmyes:

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:reddit: I love the refunds/ hate groups attempts to spin things XD

Something aweful... More like something full of morons...

They keep loosing and they keep on standing back up to sound even dumber....

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:v: Crytek: "Judge we are asking you to dismiss our own lawsuit."
refund sub: "CIG is in so much trouble!!"


:saddowns: What's wrong with these people?

:reddit: A few of them have publicly admitted to having mental disorders. It's certainly a somewhat reasonable explanation for their irrational obsession.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016


Dreams.pdf

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

- Space door that was totally just some wood and a garage door opener

- Sandi singing the first stanza of Deutschlandlied, which is associated with nazis, and subsequently deleting the video of it

- THE WORM WAS NOT A JOKE!

- Star Marine weeks, not months, away from release, before getting cancelled, "it's just a game mode", wait it's back but developed completely in-house

- What is PVP slider?

iron buns fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Jan 6, 2020

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:confused: Guys help pls, how to use dupe money with Transport contract? I read several guides and tried with friend, but no one worked. Who tested it work, respond here pls. Just I want to buy starship with in-game money, I cant play with my useless Mustang Alpha.... This ship even not work cargo section

:reddit: Try eating a bag of dicks. Hope that helps you out.

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

:reddit: You spend a lot of time here for a mod of r/StarCitizen_Refunds.

:v: hahaha didn't even know this sub exists, and the people in there are such trolls and little whiny beeches it made my head hurt just reading some of their posts and comments.

:reddit: I like to go there occasionally just to tag the users. That way they're easier to recognize when they come here to stir up trouble (which is every day or three.)

iron buns
Jan 12, 2016

Star Citizen 2: Pledge Harder

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Jan 12, 2016

Roadmap update posted:

Notable Changes for January 10th, 2020

ARGO MOLE
The ARGO MOLE has been moved to released to reflect that it has, in fact, been released 

That’s all for this week’s Roundup – join the discussion on Spectrum

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