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Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012





STAC Goat posted:

he's also "WWE Style" personified and I HATE "WWE Style" so whatcha gonna do?

agreed but in that framework hes rly good

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

We've seen about a billion examples that whenever someone in WWE is bad it's the promotion that's the problem, and I'm pretty convinced that Roman is no exception.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008



what if they audibled and made roman win that royal rumble against batista when everyone wanted him to because he was the last person who could do it. do you think people would have turned on him after sufferin succotash still

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Shawn Michaels started out as jobber in places like Mid-South

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument



I don't think we're ever going to find out what Joe A'noai's ceiling actually is. Even if the bridges burned between WWE and him are irreparable he strikes me as the sort that would try to do something else with his life rather than continue his wrestling career elsewhere. Not that I really know poo poo. Just speculation.

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around


He seems like the kind of guy who probably saved his money or invested it well and would be more than happy to just spend his life at home with his family. He had some good years where I'm sure he raked it in. Not sure if it's "set for life" money, but he could also probably get by with an acting job here or there since he's buff and handsome.

That being said, I would be incredibly intrigued to see what he would be like in AEW. Even putting him in Bullet Club in New Japan would be something. I think he'd make a fun poo poo-stirrer alongside Tama and Jay.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Davros1 posted:

Shawn Michaels started out as jobber in places like Mid-South

Apparently in 1985 Shawn Michaels & Toshiaki Kawada were in at least 3 matches with each other for Texas All Star/Southwest Championship Wrestling. At the time Michaels was teaming with Paul Diamond as American Force & were the TAW Tag Team Champs, & they faced Japanese Force, better known as the late 80s All Japan tag team Footloose of Kawada & Fuyuki.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

I'm pretty sure that if Roman left WWE he could find a niche in Hollywood as a budget version Jason Momoa.

Also, his friend Dwayne could probably pull some strings for him if needed.

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into trouble.

Lamuella posted:

being a bit facetious, doesn't basically every wrestler who is any good get better between their first appearances and their prime?

I think it's an excellent question. I feel like it should be applied to guys who started working TV after what should be plenty of training, and were still bad, but improved to be really, really good, if not great.

- I haven't seen the matches in a long time, but I feel like I remember Angle being pretty good when he debuted - he just became amazing as time went on.
- Mark Henry is an interesting example, because he was brought in when he was green as gently caress; by the late 2000s, he became a really good monster heel.
- Most of the Nexus guys were way too green when they were brought up for their surprise attack (except for Bryan, who got "fired"); some improved a ton, and some didn't.
- The Undertaker had nothing but bad matches for the first 6 years of his WWF/E career, but improved a lot by working with guys who weren't talentless slugs. His late 90s stuff was much, much better, to where he could have great matches with great workers. Later in his career, he wrestled a lot less, stayed healthier, and had more time to plan out his matches, and put on legendary matches. Now, he's stayed too long, and his matches are going down in quality.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016
Congrats to Bix on his fav character King K Rool getting into smash!

Lamuella posted:

being a bit facetious, doesn't basically every wrestler who is any good get better between their first appearances and their prime?
Really the question should be more about late bloomers or people who just didn't appear to show a real aptitude for wrestling when they were younger. So Mark Henry and Nigel McGuinness are some of the better answers here.

SG Bamboo
Aug 21, 2013

I will never shake your hand.

Ever.


From what I've seen of it, Okada's early years were pretty dire. He's quite good now.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

SG Bamboo posted:

From what I've seen of it, Okada's early years were pretty dire. He's quite good now.

Understatement of the year right here.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



Cerebral Bore posted:

We've seen about a billion examples that whenever someone in WWE is bad it's the promotion that's the problem, and I'm pretty convinced that Roman is no exception.

While I definitely think WWE Style holds wrestlers back and fails to emphasize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses... and its entirely possible in the seemingly unlikely scenario where Reigns left WWE that he'd show a lot more than he has in WWE... there's still plenty of Rybacks.

Breitbart Is Rightbart
Sep 12, 2013


Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

Both Mankind's original themes sound like they've come from Laura Palmer's theme.


Entrance: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Victory: https://youtu.be/PylQLXWAUCw

Laura Palmer: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

Both Mankind's original themes sound like they've come from Laura Palmer's theme.


Entrance: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Victory: https://youtu.be/PylQLXWAUCw

Laura Palmer: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU

Mick's car wreck theme jacks the opening riff to U-Mass by the Pixies

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018



Kronik's theme sounds like Love Dump by Static X

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5SWd28BUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJsQEaJUzIQ

The Senator Giroux
Jul 9, 2006
Dead Ringer



Harlem Heat’s theme borrows from Kraftwerk’s Sex Object:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaIcBGKNFy0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ix07wGATlHk

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



I feel stupid asking this one, what was the storyline in WCW where Hogan was both shaved and also had some like black face paint on? IIRC he liked absorbed the dark power from an opponent that I thought was part of the whole Dungeon of Doom thing but I don't remember. I used to know this and had an image of it and everything but I can't find anything online now because I don't know how to word what I'm searching for I guess.



STAC Goat posted:

While I definitely think WWE Style holds wrestlers back and fails to emphasize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses... and its entirely possible in the seemingly unlikely scenario where Reigns left WWE that he'd show a lot more than he has in WWE... there's still plenty of Rybacks.


Cerebral Bore posted:

We've seen about a billion examples that whenever someone in WWE is bad it's the promotion that's the problem, and I'm pretty convinced that Roman is no exception.

We haven't watched WWE in a few years here but have to agree. I never liked what we saw of Roman overall but every now and then there'd be glimpses where he'd be this more joyous self-aware cocky sort of thing that owned. Like him coming down with a few other wrestlers who each take their shirt off and he starts to remove his vest but then smiles and wags his finger at the camera at the last second. Or this one Brock match he did (I forget the PPV but it was the clusterfuck steel cage one where they wrestled for maybe three minutes and then like half the WWE roster ran out and climbed on top of the cage and it just ended ) where upon attempting to pin him he in time with the count was like flexing his muscle+counting it on his fingers in time with the ref and had a great "WHAAAAAT?" face when it only really went to 2.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

Both Mankind's original themes sound like they've come from Laura Palmer's theme.


Entrance: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Victory: https://youtu.be/PylQLXWAUCw

Laura Palmer: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU

I've pointed it out before, but Benoit's theme ripped off Helloween's "The Time of the Oath".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxhzm2x2_5g

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

Neo Rasa posted:

I feel stupid asking this one, what was the storyline in WCW where Hogan was both shaved and also had some like black face paint on? IIRC he liked absorbed the dark power from an opponent that I thought was part of the whole Dungeon of Doom thing but I don't remember. I used to know this and had an image of it and everything but I can't find anything online now because I don't know how to word what I'm searching for I guess.

Ah, Darkside Hogan. Yeah, that was apparently a thing that happened.

Numero6
Oct 10, 2012

ここは地の果て 流されて俺
今日もさすらい 涙も涸れる
ブルーゲイル


Neo Rasa posted:

I feel stupid asking this one, what was the storyline in WCW where Hogan was both shaved and also had some like black face paint on? IIRC he liked absorbed the dark power from an opponent that I thought was part of the whole Dungeon of Doom thing but I don't remember. I used to know this and had an image of it and everything but I can't find anything online now because I don't know how to word what I'm searching for I guess.

That was the DARKSIDE OF THE HULKAMANIA! That was basically to give him an edge to revitalize his character with a meaner persona after he got his mustache shaved by the nefarious Taskmaster Kevin Sullivan. It was pretty laughable even if you can see some bits that will get reused as Hollywood Hogan.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



Yeah, as I remember it was basically the dress rehearsal for Hollywood Hogan. Hulk's popularity had died off and fans were starting to turn on him so they toyed with making him more heelish and it got real weird and silly for a minute. Which I mean... it WAS the Dungeon of the Doom so that part made sense.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Cerebral Bore posted:

Ah, Darkside Hogan. Yeah, that was apparently a thing that happened.

Numero6 posted:

That was the DARKSIDE OF THE HULKAMANIA! That was basically to give him an edge to revitalize his character with a meaner persona after he got his mustache shaved by the nefarious Taskmaster Kevin Sullivan. It was pretty laughable even if you can see some bits that will get reused as Hollywood Hogan.

Ahahaha thank you!

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Neo Rasa posted:

I feel stupid asking this one, what was the storyline in WCW where Hogan was both shaved and also had some like black face paint on? IIRC he liked absorbed the dark power from an opponent that I thought was part of the whole Dungeon of Doom thing but I don't remember. I used to know this and had an image of it and everything but I can't find anything online now because I don't know how to word what I'm searching for I guess.

Hulk Hogan blackface

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


SG Bamboo posted:

From what I've seen of it, Okada's early years were pretty dire. He's quite good now.

He was decent pre-TNA. He didn't stand out but I don't think he was actively bad.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible




https://twitter.com/allan_cheapshot...5234492416?s=20

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into trouble.

Hi, here's a few questions!

1. Is Evan Bourne/Matty Sydal still wrestling? He's not on the Evolve website, even as an alumni.
2. Is there a general age range when workers retire? I feel like guys worked until they died up until about 10-15 years ago, and now it seems like guys in their 40s are stepping back to part time or just calling it quits.
3. Has anyone purchased any wrestling-themed coronavirus masks? I bought a Kane mask from the WWE website, and it's too small, and cheaply made. I've worn it out once, and it kept sliding upwards, and it already has several threads loose.
4. I finally rewatched Bulldog/Bret from SummerSlam '92. It's a good match, but not great. I've seen some people give it 5 stars as this timeless classic, and Dave gives it 4 1/4. I feel like there were a few too many restholds and obvious instructions from Bret to Davey, but it is an interesting story about Bret walking Davey through the match. How would you rate the match, and how blown/unprepared was Davey?
5. Would the WWE's women's division be better off with their own show?

Ganso Bomb
Oct 24, 2005

turn it all around


Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

Both Mankind's original themes sound like they've come from Laura Palmer's theme.


Entrance: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Victory: https://youtu.be/PylQLXWAUCw

Laura Palmer: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU

I've never really taken the time to think about this but god drat, it makes me love those themes even more. I always dug how he had a separate entrance and exit theme and his music was so different from anyone else's at the time. It really made the character stand out even more.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.



Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.
Raven's WCW theme was an obvious ripoff of "Come As You Are," which makes it a less obvious ripoff of "Eighties."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vOV3Dr21E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabnZ9-ex7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8


MRT, how long until your influence spreads so that indie wrestlers use Beast of Music tracks?

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.



Sydal was booked at an indy near here right before the plague ended everything, so yeah, he's still around

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

Red posted:

4. I finally rewatched Bulldog/Bret from SummerSlam '92. It's a good match, but not great. I've seen some people give it 5 stars as this timeless classic, and Dave gives it 4 1/4. I feel like there were a few too many restholds and obvious instructions from Bret to Davey, but it is an interesting story about Bret walking Davey through the match. How would you rate the match, and how blown/unprepared was Davey?
5. Would the WWE's women's division be better off with their own show?

Bret/Bulldog is actually a good match, I'd say 4 stars or so. The story goes that Davey wasn't just unprepared but coming off a week-long crack cocaine bender when he got to England and Bret had to do the carry job of a century to get him through the match.

As for the WWE women's division I get the feeling that a specific women's show would very quickly be relegated to the 205 live tier of WWE programming. On the flipside the match quality would likely go up since Vince probably wouldn't give a poo poo, but overall the most plausible outcome would be the ignominious burial of the entire division.

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.


A WWE womens show would suffer from Salutory Neglect. Give the book to Gail Simone or some of the DC-CW television writers and it could be really exciting really fast.

Give it to Amy Sherman Palladino and it would beat AEW.

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



Here's what would happen if WWE had a women's show.

- It would start being presented as a big deal with their biggest names and a lot of focus with mixed results.
- They'd lose interest and the big names would go, and then the under appreciated veterans and green workers would get a little more time to develop things and there'd be a golden period of the show where no one official was paying attention so the wrestlers involved were like "lets have fun and do good stuff" for awhile.
- Someone would notice building popularity and that would then end and it would become like every other hour of WWE tv.

I know this because its happened to every single WWE C show for the last 30 years from Jakked to Shotgun to 205 to Heat to Velocity to Super Astros to Metal to probably Saturday Morning Slam but I never watched that one.

LionYeti
Oct 11, 2008



Grimey Drawer

Who are some good wrestling historians that aren't ya know sex monsters? I've read the Squared Circle, what are some other good books about the history of the Industry?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

Chris Charlton is extremely good if you're interested in the history of Japanese wrestling in general and New Japan in particular.

Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.

Lipstick Apathy

Was One Man Gang ever outed as a Nazi?

It looks like the skull on his tights from the 80s (Pre-Akeem) has the Deaths Head Skull that the SS used.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Nystral posted:

Was One Man Gang ever outed as a Nazi?

It looks like the skull on his tights from the 80s (Pre-Akeem) has the Deaths Head Skull that the SS used.

I think it was just supposed to be a biker gang thing

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN


Okada was always good

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Halloween Jack posted:

Raven's WCW theme was an obvious ripoff of "Come As You Are," which makes it a less obvious ripoff of "Eighties."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vOV3Dr21E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabnZ9-ex7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1U1Ue_5kq8


MRT, how long until your influence spreads so that indie wrestlers use Beast of Music tracks?

If Stoke hadn't retired and vanished I should have made it a mission to get him to use a Beast song.

LionYeti posted:

Who are some good wrestling historians that aren't ya know sex monsters? I've read the Squared Circle, what are some other good books about the history of the Industry?

Pat Laprade's books are very well researched, his Montreal book is very well researched though a tiny bit of an odd read since I think he writes in French and translates to English.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



MassRafTer posted:

If Stoke hadn't retired and vanished I should have made it a mission to get him to use a Beast song.


Pat Laprade's books are very well researched, his Montreal book is very well researched though a tiny bit of an odd read since I think he writes in French and translates to English.

I'll 2nd Lprade's montreal book, and also recommend Beer Blood &Cornmeal, which is a history of Incredbly Strange Wrestling written by a former manager/booker/talent/color commentator/press agent named Bob Calhoun.

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