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Zombie Lemur
Jul 6, 2009

Empyrean empties


I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.

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Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.




Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.

You could maybe put Orange Cassidy in this? Less "goof" than "slacker" but they certainly push him as deadly when he tries.

Vagabundo
Mar 20, 2007

Donncha wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Donncha wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?


Nystral posted:

Was One Man Gang ever outed as a Nazi?

It looks like the skull on his tights from the 80s (Pre-Akeem) has the Deaths Head Skull that the SS used.

A simple google search would solve this conundrum - the skull and crossbones on OMG's gear have a different design from the Totenkopf symbol. They're completely different.

Here's the Totenkopf symbol




Here's OMG's skull symbol

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.

Big Show would sometimes be this kind of face and I always thought that worked best for him, especially if they were never going to book him correctly as a monster heel.

Paracaidas
Sep 24, 2016
Literal Nazi


Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.
Luke Gallows twice, to differing degrees.

Von Linus
Apr 6, 2006
I complete me.

Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.

Eugene I guess?

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters


It's wrapped up in some bad-to-terrible homophobic trappings, but "Exotic" Adrian Street (and for maybe three weeks, Rico Constantino) did the gimmick where they were sort of flouncey sissies up until the bell rang and then would immediately just start viciously clubbering. It's not exactly the same thing, but similar?

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



They also did it for like 2 weeks with Nikki Cross when she started teaming with Alexa.

She was the character she is now backstage and on the way to the ring, then she'd turn into Sanity Nikki until the match was over.

Zombie Lemur
Jul 6, 2009

Empyrean empties


Lamuella posted:

You could maybe put Orange Cassidy in this? Less "goof" than "slacker" but they certainly push him as deadly when he tries.

OC fits perfectly, I can't believe I didn't think of him.

Von Linus posted:

Eugene I guess?

I don't think Eugene or Festus work because they were kind of portrayed as wrestling savants who had actual mental disabilities.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.




Grimey Drawer

To a certain extent Emma was like this in NXT? The main roster of course hosed it up but the original idea was "She's a goofy space cadet but also an amazing wrestler."

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

I may not be smart, but I have a good heart. That's what my mom always said.



Maxwell Lord posted:

To a certain extent Emma was like this in NXT? The main roster of course hosed it up but the original idea was "She's a goofy space cadet but also an amazing wrestler."

I always thought the idea was that she sucked but drat it shes trying her best and slowly getting better?

A variant on QT Marshall

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007
Simaggeddon



The start of Tajiris run in the WWE might count? He was essentially Regals comedy manservent, then went into the ring and tajiri'd the gently caress out of some poor bastard. Google tells me it was Crash Holly. If I'm honest what I mainly remember is Regals fantastic facial expressions as Regal realised that the man he'd been heaping with abuse was in fact a viciously competent wrestler.

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!


SiKboy posted:

The start of Tajiris run in the WWE might count? He was essentially Regals comedy manservent, then went into the ring and tajiri'd the gently caress out of some poor bastard. Google tells me it was Crash Holly. If I'm honest what I mainly remember is Regals fantastic facial expressions as Regal realised that the man he'd been heaping with abuse was in fact a viciously competent wrestler.

https://i.imgur.com/gkj507r.mp4

SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007
Simaggeddon




Thats the good stuff!

Lunatic Sledge
Jun 8, 2013

choose your own horror isekai sci-fi Souls-like urban fantasy gamer simulator adventure

or don't?


Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

I didn't realize it recently, but will bring it up at any opportunity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rocnz2Gmxk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXKg0sNTKXE

Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.

Kurt Angle at times and later day Mick Foley sort of fit the bill, but their goofiness was more earnest rather than being a way of playing mind games.

I feel like there has to be more.

this was conceptually what I liked about Golddust

like, he wore a wig and a robe and smelled the air and was gay panic taken to a hollywood wacko extreme, but then also he was 6'6" and the second he saw an opportunity he would shut it off and just mercilessly beat the poo poo out of you

Zombie Lemur
Jul 6, 2009

Empyrean empties


SiKboy posted:

The start of Tajiris run in the WWE might count? He was essentially Regals comedy manservent, then went into the ring and tajiri'd the gently caress out of some poor bastard. Google tells me it was Crash Holly. If I'm honest what I mainly remember is Regals fantastic facial expressions as Regal realised that the man he'd been heaping with abuse was in fact a viciously competent wrestler.



Lunatic Sledge posted:


this was conceptually what I liked about Golddust

like, he wore a wig and a robe and smelled the air and was gay panic taken to a hollywood wacko extreme, but then also he was 6'6" and the second he saw an opportunity he would shut it off and just mercilessly beat the poo poo out of you

These are two good ones. I guess I kind of glossed over Tajiri because I remembered him kicking people's heads off in ECW, so when he got to WWE I was just "wait for it...wait for it..."

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Say 'Thank you, Ershin'.

Say it.




What's the wrestling discord again? Just in case something happens to the forums.

purkey
Dec 5, 2003

I hate the 90s


anakha posted:

What's the wrestling discord again? Just in case something happens to the forums.

Itís linked in the last page of the rules thread

Shard
Jul 30, 2005

I may not be smart, but I have a good heart. That's what my mom always said.



anakha posted:

What's the wrestling discord again? Just in case something happens to the forums.

https://discord.com/channels/271775...775045947359232

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





So the magic of pro-wrestling is that a lot of it looks worse than it actually is but I've always been bad at telling what is bad and what just looks bad.

How bad were Austin's chairshots to Lita? Apparently even teh dirt sheets at the time were going off about how Austin went too far.

The thing people always get upset about with chairs is hitting somebody in the head and I don't think that happened here. Are those shots where they use the folded chair and just ram the edge of it down into you worked at all?

Jesus H. Christ
Aug 3, 2004

$ $ $Everybody's got a price$ $ $

This may be too big a question, but I appreciate any help I can get. Is there a way to watch early ROH, as in before 2007? I was super interested in trying to follow everything back then when I was in HS but could only get my hands on the occasional match wmv through Kazaa or whatever. Does the Honor Club thing have old old stuff?

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.



I think part of the trick with chairs besides head shots is like what part of the chair. Like if you hit them on the seat where it folds in that means you got some give. If you do it the reverse or on the back then I imagine its way more painful.

But like also, you can obviously just hit someone soft or hit someone hard. Its no different than like the difference between Shane McMahon's strikes and Low-Ki's.

davidbix
Jun 14, 2016
Congrats to Bix on his fav character King K Rool getting into smash!

Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Are there any wrestling themes that you've only recently learned are inspired by or ripped off from real tracks? Not just obvious clones likr Self High Five/Smells Like Teen Spirit but less noticeable.

Both Mankind's original themes sound like they've come from Laura Palmer's theme.


Entrance: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Victory: https://youtu.be/PylQLXWAUCw

Laura Palmer: https://youtu.be/cEl6xcOIhbU
Ooh, that's a good one that I never noticed before.

My favorite is that Kronik's entrance music is a blatant ripoff of "Love Dump" by Static-X, a song about scat fetishists. It's not quite what you're looking for because it's so obvious, but given the subject matter and relative obscurity, I think it belongs.

Kronik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW5SWd28BUo
Love Dump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJsQEaJUzIQ

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters


davidbix posted:

My favorite is that Kronik's entrance music is a blatant ripoff of "Love Dump" by Static-X, a song about scat fetishists. It's not quite what you're looking for because it's so obvious, but given the subject matter and relative obscurity, I think it belongs.
Look, Kronik being scat themed wrestlers makes about as much sense in their overall presentation as them being weed themed wrestlers, so maybe we just never got to the payoff?

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!

Soiled Meat

NikkolasKing posted:

So the magic of pro-wrestling is that a lot of it looks worse than it actually is but I've always been bad at telling what is bad and what just looks bad.

How bad were Austin's chairshots to Lita? Apparently even teh dirt sheets at the time were going off about how Austin went too far.

The thing people always get upset about with chairs is hitting somebody in the head and I don't think that happened here. Are those shots where they use the folded chair and just ram the edge of it down into you worked at all?

I assume we are talking about these chairshots from 2001.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DySPltwSLDM

I think it's because it makes Stone Cold look way more sadistic than they were trying to get at (this was during the first month of Austin's heel turn when they were trying hard to sell it). I mean, one can watch the video and take of it what you will. I think they went too far by having Austin strike her while she's over Matt Hardy's body. This is just a bad time in WWF's history where they felt the need to build heel heat by having male wrestlers attack women (or have a popular face attack an unpopular heel woman to build their popularity).

Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Jun 30, 2020

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

The preceding post has been paid for by the new World order.



also led to this, which was just terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A58FjkAf26w

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

I thought the redtext someone dumped on you was in bad taste and a bit much so here's a corgi instead.

Jesus H. Christ posted:

This may be too big a question, but I appreciate any help I can get. Is there a way to watch early ROH, as in before 2007? I was super interested in trying to follow everything back then when I was in HS but could only get my hands on the occasional match wmv through Kazaa or whatever. Does the Honor Club thing have old old stuff?
They keep talking about it but as far as I'm aware they still haven't bothered yet. So the options are either buying second hand DVDs or

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

STAC Goat posted:

I think part of the trick with chairs besides head shots is like what part of the chair. Like if you hit them on the seat where it folds in that means you got some give. If you do it the reverse or on the back then I imagine its way more painful.

But like also, you can obviously just hit someone soft or hit someone hard. Its no different than like the difference between Shane McMahon's strikes and Low-Ki's.
the difference between shane and low-ki is low-ki will at least look good when he's potatoing the poo poo out of you, while shane has the bizarre abillity to bust people open while missing by half a foot

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.



WWE isn't ready for Shane's Yellow Bamboo technique.

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

Justin Godscock posted:

I think it's because it makes Stone Cold look way more sadistic than they were trying to get at (this was during the first month of Austin's heel turn when they were trying hard to sell it).

In hindsight I loved Austin as a heel in 2001, but the first few months of it were indeed really dodgy I think. Austin is a great performer and ultimately made a lot of it work later on, but at the same time it was always going to be a commercial disaster because most people were just not interested in booing him. They got desperate in trying to make it happen, but with The Rock gone they were now also drastically short of top-level faces, meaning we got nonsense like his beatdown of the Hardys and Lita, and later on Michael Cole of all people, in the middle of what should've been a star-making feud for Benoit and Jericho no less.

They seemed to have had no faith in Austin being able to deliver heel promos (or at least heel promos without getting cheered), so his heat apparently had to come from these highly questionable stunts. In retrospect, as much as I enjoyed heel Austin later on during the Invasion, it was a terrible idea to start things off by having him play fourth fiddle to Triple H, Vince, and Stephanie. Good thing they never did that again!!

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

The preceding post has been paid for by the new World order.



The original plan was much better, with Trips having turned face off the feud with Angle, but lol. Huntor the Barbarian can't ever look weak

Red
Apr 15, 2003

Yeah, great at getting us into trouble.

The strange thing is that Austin's heel turn convinced them to never turn Cena, but I think a heelish Cena would've actually been cheered.

Halloween Jack
Sep 11, 2003

Let your word be "Yes, Yes" or "No, No"; anything more than this comes from the evil one.



Zombie Lemur posted:

I was watching some of Doink's early run and I got to wondering how many gimmicks there have been where the person comes off like a total goof but is a killer in the ring.
Goldust for the first few months of his run.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

William Regal was largely that too when he came back to WWF in late 99 or early 2000 or whenever that was

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money


What's Lex Luger's best WWF match?

anakha
Sep 16, 2009


Say 'Thank you, Ershin'.

Say it.




Low Desert Punk posted:

What's Lex Luger's best WWF match?

Going by star ratings, the highest-rated WWF match he was ever in was the 95 Rumble at 3.5 stars. After that, it's his Summerslam 93 countout win over Yoko at 2.75 stars.





...that's pretty loving dire.

The Berzerker
Feb 24, 2006

treat me like a dog


absolutely laughing my butt all the way off about that Kronik/Static X info above, and about that Static X song, which I just googled the lyrics for and which sent me right over the edge of the world laughter wise

Nut Bunnies
May 24, 2005



Fun Shoe

There was an account on YouTube that posted video game and wrestling themes that sounded "familiar." They took the videos down, I'm guessing because of copyright, but here's some I can remember:

Finn Balor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lV2HGLt2-E
Royal Blood - Out of the Black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdtvfBQd6c

Charlotte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zaNdV-zBmw
Rooftops from COD Black Ops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE3_zb2u7fE#t=90s

Johnny Gargano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrUm_O8xMA0
Sleeping with Sirens - The Bomb Dot Com 2.0 (): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3e5otA9qY

Oney Lorcan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBew7TRA5W4
Pennywise - Bro Hymn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWrGHsMtlKo

CFO$ basically asked people what kind of music they like and just ripped off a song from who they said lol

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

D U S T M A N


of course oney lorcan comes out to a fake Pennywise song lmao

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PASS THE MASH
Oct 30, 2013



Alaois posted:

of course oney lorcan comes out to a fake Pennywise song lmao

I think he used to come out to the real one

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