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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Hirez posted:

What are some good Royal Rumbles from 2000-2015? I generally know who won but not which year so if its a good result even better

2008 is the Greatest Royal Rumble (TM).

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jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

2007 is also excellent iirc

CopywrightMMXI
Jun 1, 2011

One time a guy stole some downhill skis out of my jeep and I was so mad I punched a mailbox. I'm against crime, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.


If you don’t mind watching Benoit then give 2004 a look too.

Hirez
Feb 3, 2003

Weber scored 49 points?



jesus WEP posted:

2007 is also excellent iirc

You tricked me at least the end was a surprise since I didn't think Taker ever won a rumble

Halfway thru 08 and it's much better

e: hell yeah 08 loving ruled - I popped off for Cena at 30. The crowd was nuts for Cena

Hirez fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jul 13, 2020

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

Hirez posted:

You tricked me at least the end was a surprise since I didn't think Taker ever won a rumble

Halfway thru 08 and it's much better

e: hell yeah 08 loving ruled - I popped off for Cena at 30. The crowd was nuts for Cena
wait what? you didn't like 07? I haven't watched in a long time but I remember it being really good

Price Check
Oct 9, 2012


jesus WEP posted:

wait what? you didn't like 07? I haven't watched in a long time but I remember it being really good

It definitely has the best final two of any Rumble I can remember.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

Fundamentals as sound as the WNBA


Price Check posted:

It definitely has the best final two of any Rumble I can remember.

That carrying over to the first two entrants of 2008 is one of the cooler booking moves the company has done.

Hirez
Feb 3, 2003

Weber scored 49 points?



jesus WEP posted:

wait what? you didn't like 07? I haven't watched in a long time but I remember it being really good

It didn't really get going until the end imo with Rated RKO doing some cleaning. There weren't really any good spots - elimination or otherwise even the last one was pretty weak. Plus it didn't help having Lawler/JBL/Cole on commentary vs Tazz and whoever else

I'm probably just going to finish the rest off since they're a quick watch.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?



Hirez posted:

It didn't really get going until the end imo with Rated RKO doing some cleaning. There weren't really any good spots - elimination or otherwise even the last one was pretty weak. Plus it didn't help having Lawler/JBL/Cole on commentary vs Tazz and whoever else

I'm probably just going to finish the rest off since they're a quick watch.

For the remaining ones:

2009: Fairly decent.
2010: Excellent.
2011: Has its moments, but it really falls apart at the end.
2012: Garbage.
2013: Forgettable and average.
2014: Actually pretty good despite all the controversy.
2015: The absolute worst Royal Rumble, which makes it a must-watch.

FakePoet
Feb 6, 2006

Woo. Pig. Sooie.



Hot Rope Guy

What are some examples of matches where the participants have heavily contrasting styles that ended up working really well? Singles/Tags seem like they'd be the most likely for such an occurrence, but anything that fits is fine with me.

Low Desert Punk
Jul 4, 2012

i have absolutely no fucking money


FakePoet posted:

What are some examples of matches where the participants have heavily contrasting styles that ended up working really well? Singles/Tags seem like they'd be the most likely for such an occurrence, but anything that fits is fine with me.

Samoa Joe vs Necro Butcher

SG Bamboo
Aug 21, 2013

I will never shake your hand.

Ever.


Zack Sabre Jr Vs Tomohiro Ishii

Zack's a skinny submission boy and Tom is a fire hydrant shaped man that lives for lariats, elbows and headbutts.

Their matches at Wrestle Kingdom last year and G1 2018 were both great.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

The preceding post has been paid for by the new World order.



Flair/Luger had good matches

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010



Fun Shoe

SG Bamboo posted:

Zack Sabre Jr Vs Tomohiro Ishii

Zack's a skinny submission boy and Tom is a fire hydrant shaped man that lives for lariats, elbows and headbutts.

Their matches at Wrestle Kingdom last year and G1 2018 were both great.

Using Ishii is borderline cheating because he's literally incapable of having a bad match. But him against anyone with a more flippy style usually ends up being super cool. Ishii vs Kenny Omega from the 2018 G1 or Hiromu vs Ishii from this years New Japan Cup come to mind.

extradite THIS!
Mar 8, 2010






FakePoet posted:

What are some examples of matches where the participants have heavily contrasting styles that ended up working really well? Singles/Tags seem like they'd be the most likely for such an occurrence, but anything that fits is fine with me.

Another Zack Sabre Jr match but ZSJ vs Bad Luck Fale from last year’s G1 was an excellent example of this. Lumbering giant vs rail-thin submission boy. Match was a genuine thrill ride and included ZSJ climbing around Fale like the latter was one of the colossi from Shadow of the Colossus or some poo poo

Edit: Many of ZSJ’s matches are good examples of this is since 1) there are VERY few wrestler out there who go so full-on with the grapplefucking stuff so his style almost always contrasts heavily with his opponents’, and also 2) he’s really freaking good at wrestling

extradite THIS! fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jul 14, 2020

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.




FakePoet posted:

What are some examples of matches where the participants have heavily contrasting styles that ended up working really well? Singles/Tags seem like they'd be the most likely for such an occurrence, but anything that fits is fine with me.

Orange Cassidy vs PAC from Revolution 2020. Cassidy is generally laid back to the point of being asleep and wrestles a generally comedic style. PAC is a seething poison goblin who drips intensity and has never in his entire life found anything amusing. They had an absolute barn burner of a match.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?



FakePoet posted:

What are some examples of matches where the participants have heavily contrasting styles that ended up working really well? Singles/Tags seem like they'd be the most likely for such an occurrence, but anything that fits is fine with me.

There was a really good Undertaker vs. Festus match back in the day. Usually, Undertaker is played as dominant, partially due to his ability to intimidate anyone he's up against, but comedy midcard tag team wrestler Festus had a gimmick that made him immune to all of that. So it became wily veteran Undertaker fending against a large, wild man who was too crazed to be scared.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

People always talk about the worst King of the Ring winners, but what about the Royal Rumble? Is there a winner that did less than Nakamura a few years ago?

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018



Pope Corky the IX posted:

People always talk about the worst King of the Ring winners, but what about the Royal Rumble? Is there a winner that did less than Nakamura a few years ago?

Jim Duggan and Big John Studd

I Before E
Jul 2, 2012

"Why yes, this is a tie with dollar signs on it.

Jealous?"



Pope Corky the IX posted:

People always talk about the worst King of the Ring winners, but what about the Royal Rumble? Is there a winner that did less than Nakamura a few years ago?

Austin didn't even have a title match at Mania in 97

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

I Before E posted:

Austin didn't even have a title match at Mania in 97

Was there an explanation for that? I mean, he ended up in the match with Bret so that worked out fine. But by that point “Royal Rumble gets title shot at Wrestlemania” was a thing for a few years.

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

Vince, Del Rio, Sheamus, and then pretty much every winner between 2014 and 2019 would be good candidates for worst Royal Rumble winner too. 2014 and 2015 are only famous for how much the crowd poo poo on the winners, and I honestly can't remember a thing about the others. Asuka and Becky might be the exceptions to that grouping, but they botched Asuka's subsequent run and it seems like people got tired of Becky pretty quickly (here at least). People might already include Charlotte as well?

Tbh, Hogan's two wins are probably down there too. Winning the Royal Rumble didn't actually mean anything until 1992, so 1990 and 1991 were just opportunities for Hogan to overcome his monster of the week. Perfect should have at least won the first one, I don't care how much it would've flown in the face of WWF's booking philosophy or business sense at the time!

Whilst Austin didn't even get a title match for winning 1997, at least he was entertaining in it and it developed the Bret feud further. That's way more than I can say about most of the recent ones.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004

OM NOM NOM NOM NOM



Fun Shoe

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Was there an explanation for that? I mean, he ended up in the match with Bret so that worked out fine. But by that point “Royal Rumble gets title shot at Wrestlemania” was a thing for a few years.
the title picture between Rumble and Mania was an absolute clusterfuck

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

jesus WEP posted:

the title picture between Rumble and Mania was an absolute clusterfuck

Anyone want to do a breakdown? Gavok?

And yeah, I wasn't counting Vince for obvious reasons, and felt Studd and Duggan were at the very beginning when it was just a novelty. But the others certainly make sense.

Procrastinator
Aug 16, 2009

this but unironically

2018 was a good rumble and nakamura was the right winner. him never winning the title was dumb and the dick kicking was deservedly divisive, but he had months of world title level time because of it, so putting him in the worst list all together is not fitting imo.

MorrisBae
Jan 18, 2020
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WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME


Pope Corky the IX posted:

Anyone want to do a breakdown? Gavok?

01/19/1997 - Shawn won the title from Sid at Royal Rumble

02/13/1997 - Shawn "lost his smile" and vacated the title on RAW because he didn't want to drop the title to Bret at Mania

02/16/1997 - Bret won the vacant title in a 4-way match at In Your House: Final Four against Austin, Vader and Undertaker

02/17/1997 - Sid won the title from Bret on RAW

03/23/1997 - Undertaker defeated Sid for the title at WrestleMania 13

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

Procrastinator posted:

2018 was a good rumble and nakamura was the right winner. him never winning the title was dumb and the dick kicking was deservedly divisive, but he had months of world title level time because of it, so putting him in the worst list all together is not fitting imo.

I think Nakamura was definitely a better winner than all of those around him, it's just that what happened next was very disappointing. Similar to Asuka really, but yeah, maybe I shouldn't have grouped him in with the others.

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.



Objectively the dog worst Rumble was 1999, the one where they didn't even show most of it and kept cutting to the Vince/Austin fight instead

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010



Also Austin didn't get the title shot in '97 because he'd been eliminated behind the refs back, then "won" after sneaking back on

Hedgehog Pie
May 19, 2012

Total fuckin' silence.

The image from the '99 Rumble of the Ministry of Darkness sticking Mabel into the back of the hearse, and then Austin appearing in the background of the same shot in an ambulance he apparently commandeered is what always comes to mind for me first when I think of the Attitude Era. Note that all of this took place during the match itself.

The one thing I do remember enjoying from that Rumble is Lawler going into full sycophant mode whenever Vince was with them on commentary. There were exchanges like:

Lawler: "Mr McMahon, I have half a mind to get in there right now and eliminate Austin myself!"
Cole: "Why don't you then, King?"
Lawler, seeing that Austin and D'Lo are fighting: "... D'Lo's gonna do it."

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Thanks everyone.

And yeah, the ‘99 Rumble was the first PPV I had watched after stopping around Wrestlemania XI, so it was a bit of a whiplash when the first two entrants were Vince and Austin who then spent the majority of the match not actually in the ring. I also found the interviews at the beginning really funny because everyone had gotten facial piercings to be cool in an industry where you regularly get punched in the face.

bartok
May 10, 2006

hey!
hey!
it's me kane!
hello!


I go back and forth on whether the '98 Survivor Series or the '99 Rumble is peak Russo in WWF.

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Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

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bartok posted:

I go back and forth on whether the '98 Survivor Series or the '99 Rumble is peak Russo in WWF.

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