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Gavok posted:Strangely, there was never a woman with the ant gimmick considering Chikara's love for intergender wrestling. Thanks for posting this
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Gaz-L posted:Wasn't it a springboard 450 into a DDT or something? Found it! Turns out it was the 720 DDT. Not exactly what I remembered but seems to fit the OP's specifications nonetheless. https://youtu.be/HKONFn7mbbU
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bartok posted:Jeff Jarrett going over Monty Brown is the one that upset me at the time. I was all in on The Alpha Male being The Guy in TNA and eventually WWE. The guy could cut amazing promos and the Pounce is an amazing finisher. I never watched any TNA, so my recollection is not just hazy, but also second-hand at best, but wasn't Brown being primed to be their THE GUY only for it to be stalled by losing to Jarrett?
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Price Check posted:Found it! Turns out it was the 720 DDT. Not exactly what I remembered but seems to fit the OP's specifications nonetheless. A phenomenal move for sure, and I suppose it fits. I guess I was kinda hoping for a marathon spot like the football field rolling suplex, or even like an N64 WWF No Mercy scene transition. Bonus points if there is no possible way for the deliverer to have kayfabe leverage over his opponent.
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Resident Idiot posted:That may be the greatest wrestling name of all time. It's good, but it's no Still Life With Apricots And Pears.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:A phenomenal move for sure, and I suppose it fits. I guess I was kinda hoping for a marathon spot like the football field rolling suplex, or even like an N64 WWF No Mercy scene transition. i used to have the wcw nitro wrestling ring, because the wwf ones were way too huge and stupid and looked fake as well. and all of my action figures wrestled in it, so long as they were roughly the height of x-men ones. my old wolverine had really loose joints by this time and was a little on the small side so he was my top luchador. i would make him floatover an opponent's body for what must have been 30 revolutions before hitting a bad rear end DDT. i hope this has helped you the way it helped me back then. 
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Gavok posted:ANTS! Thank you for posting this, as well as all your other Chikara-related stuff over the years. It’s a real shame some of the Chikara guys are going to have to reinvent since their gimmicks won’t translate or may be owned by Quack, but maybe it’s for the best. But yeah, absolutely SHOCKING they never did a Queen Ant run with Kimber Lee or whomever.
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ANTS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyGwMqMCta4
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In much the same way Lowtax has been shamed into selling to Jeffrey, I say Quack sells to Gavok ANTS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEwWIfy0Jg (This will never not make me smile) El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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I'm in enough debt as is, thank you very much.
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Gavok posted:I'm in enough debt as is, thank you very much. Pay him in ANTS!
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is there a reason why Enzo's three matches he's worked since he got released are all against Brian Pillman Jr? And they're not like in a tour, the matches are months apart. Including one in Qatar which I'm apparently just now hearing about is he just a pillman mark? or he thinks brian is the next big thing or something? it's odd
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A few times recently there was a problem caused by bing and google translate being poo poo that made "i'm not done yet" articles come across as "I'm retiring" articles. Does anyone else remember this? If so does anyone have a link to one of the articles whose mistranslation caused some issues?
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Mayu Iwatani recently had something like that come up where she was saying something to the effect of "Even though Arisa had to retire, I know STARS (her faction) will be in good hands for a long time" and it got translated as if she was nearing the end of her career when really she's just a clumsy dork who was trying to put over the young talent in STARDOM.
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How are Japanese talent generally treated and booked in Mexico? More specifically Young Lions when they are on excursion to Mexico.
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TTBF posted:A few times recently there was a problem caused by bing and google translate being poo poo that made "i'm not done yet" articles come across as "I'm retiring" articles. Does anyone else remember this? If so does anyone have a link to one of the articles whose mistranslation caused some issues? https://twitter.com/epitasis/status/1247207993818611712
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bartok posted:How are Japanese talent generally treated and booked in Mexico? More specifically Young Lions when they are on excursion to Mexico. It depends on the talent. CMLL won't book them badly, but Hiromu was definitely booked stronger than Master Wato. But even though Kawato was mostly bad during his excursion they still tried to give him a title and the usual hair/mask match at the end of his excursion.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:In much the same way Lowtax has been shamed into selling to Jeffrey, I say Quack sells to Gavok Not really relevant to the convewrsation but in the side links to that is Chuck Taylor reading out wrestler names he came up with and it's so absolutely amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifolC4Nt140 "All Sack" Drew Gulak is the best. Lamuella fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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hey dudes, i'm trying to remember what grade i started watching wrestling. i know i stopped in 2001. was a total mark for the attitude era my earliest memory is that Stone Cold was popular and just kept heating up(the Vince vs. Stone Cold stuff hasn't happened yet, Rock was still in Nation of Domination)people were chanting Rocky sucks) and DX was talking poo poo in the ring. It was weird because it was all of DX but there was cut shots of planes and a tank? That might have just been their titan tron video but if not, anyone know what i'm talking about? they were getting a huge pop. They were talking poo poo and saying Suck It, but I don't know to who. I'm positive it was later than 1995 is all i can say. Thanks
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kolby posted:hey dudes, i'm trying to remember what grade i started watching wrestling. i know i stopped in 2001. was a total mark for the attitude era That sounds like late 97 or possibly early 98. Was Shawn Michaels still part of DX at this point?
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Lamuella posted:That sounds like late 97 or possibly early 98. Was Shawn Michaels still part of DX at this point? I feel like Triple H was running the crew but I could be wrong. I think your timeline sounds about right though
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When was the segment where Hunter was in a fighter jet and made a bunch of really cringey dick jokes?
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Gaz-L posted:When was the segment where Hunter was in a fighter jet and made a bunch of really cringey dick jokes? So that wasn't on the titan tron? because i remember a jet and yes there were dick jokes
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jesus WEP posted:It was mid-1998 probably It all sounds post-Wrestlemania 1998. Rock was still in NoD (leading it), Austin/Vince was JUST starting to be a thing, HHH took over DX.
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kolby posted:hey dudes, i'm trying to remember what grade i started watching wrestling. i know i stopped in 2001. was a total mark for the attitude era Well Stone Cold Vince really started in '98, & The Rock joined the Nation on August 11, 1997. And to go more granular even than that, DX were not actually named until 13th October 1997, also the first time they said suck it. So I'd guess your earliest memory is of a show between 13/10/97 & 12/1/98. But that's me just guessing, more broadly I'd say between October '97 & summer of '98
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forkboy84 posted:Well Stone Cold Vince really started in '98, & The Rock joined the Nation on August 11, 1997. And to go more granular even than that, DX were not actually named until 13th October 1997, also the first time they said suck it. So I'd guess your earliest memory is of a show between 13/10/97 & 12/1/98. you guys loving rule, thank you very much
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This is Triple H speaking. I'm in the cockpit, with my hands on my joystick. 
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Gavok posted:Strangely, there was never a woman with the ant gimmick considering Chikara's love for intergender wrestling. I like these long recaps, somebody did one for Naito back in January that was great. Can you do BDK next?
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:I like these long recaps, somebody did one for Naito back in January that was great. Sure, why not. I'm going to do it in two parts, since it's pretty dense and the build-up has a lot of detail to it. Back in Chikara's 2009 season, while it had a lot of great shows and stuff going on, there didn't seem to be any major overarching story. Early on, the biggest thing was a Colony vs. FIST feud, but once that was done with, there was nothing stealing the focus. A lot was happening, but at the same time it felt like nothing was really happening. Notable angles going on: - Tim Donst turned heel because Jigsaw had recently returned to the company and now Donst felt he wasn't Quack's favorite anymore. Donst turned heel on his comedy jobber tag partner Hydra and eventually beat him in a Loser Leaves Chikara match. - Sara Del Rey and Daizee Haze had a million matches against each other because the company wasn't fully embracing intergender wrestling and they were basically the only women on the roster. - Pinkie Sanchez was having a hard time finding a good partner or team to join. Every attempt ended in failure. Eventually, a masked ant named Carpenter Ant appeared to aid the Colony and became their ally. It's just that he was more ruthless compared to the others and it made him the black sheep. That year, they did a Cibernetico match that was made up of tag teams being split onto each side. Carpenter won after defeating his teammate Soldier Ant. - After losing his henchman Hydra due to face turn, UltraMantis Black needed a new third man for the Order of the Neo Solar Temple. He tried Pinkie Sanchez and Sami Callahan, but nothing seemed to work. Due to a complicated, albeit brief, plot involving Kaiju Big Battel's Dr. Cube, UltraMantis was able to get his hands on the Eye of Tyr, a stolen museum artifact that allowed him to do mind control. He used it to hex Delirious and turn him into his brainwashed tag partner. Even though the new trio was successful, there was weird stuff going on in the background. A masked man named Vokoder started showing up during intermissions, creeping out UltraMantis. Also, there was a series of videos of a masked man and a very large companion demanding UltraMantis return the Eye of Tyr or else war was coming. UltraMantis ended up accepting Vokoder as an ally in helping him understand what the Eye of Tyr was capable of, even letting Vokoder hold onto it for him. On a side note, a year earlier, there was a Chikara comic released with a story in there about a couple wrestlers traveling a few years into the future. There, they came across Carpenter Ant and Vokoder. The fact that these gimmicks were actually showing up in the company had fans thinking that the comic was canon and this was some kind of tie-in. - Claudio Castagnoli was one of the top faces and Eddie Kingston was one of the top heels. The two crossed paths several times throughout the year with Kingston constantly talking poo poo about how Claudio shouldn't be trusted or respected. At the season finale, they had a match where the loser had to show respect to the winner. Even though Kingston lost, he still refused to show respect, talked trash about Claudio and his "partner" (suggesting Chris Hero, who had left the company at the end of 2007) and stormed off. At the 2009 finale, the main event was a tag title match between the Colony and the Osirian Portal that really didn't have any story behind it. After the Colony retained, the two teams showed respect and the masked guys from the UltraMantis videos entered the ring. UltraMantis, followed by Quack and Claudio, came to the ring and UltraMantis demanded to know who this guy was. The mystery man revealed himself to be Ares, a wrestler who used to team up with Claudio back in the day. Quack immediately put two and two together and turned around into a pump kick from Claudio. Suddenly, all hell broke loose. Claudio, Ares, Tursas (Ares' large companion), Carpenter Ant, Vokoder, Sara Del Rey and Daizee Haze started beating down everyone else, leaving a pile of bodies. Carpenter Ant unmasked as Pinkie Sanchez. Vokoder unmasked as Tim Donst (original plan was Sami Callahan). The season ended with all of them, die Bruderschaft des Kreuzes, doing a synchronized pose in the ring as the lights got shut off. Also, a YouTube video showed that Leonard Chikarason was being fired as Director of Fun and was being replaced by a guy named Dieter VonSteigerwalt. Dieter was very obviously the Eric Bischoff to the BDK's nWo. Since they had the Eye of Tyr in their possession, the mind-controlled Delirious was also on their team, chained up and used as an attack dog. They also had their own personal ring announcer, Jakob Hammermeier. So you had Claudio and Ares as the BDK leaders, Tursas as their unstoppable monster hoss, Delirious as their pet psycho and a bunch of henchmen who had issues with Chikara. As 2010 started, Lince Dorado joined the team, annoyed at getting booed by the fans. Immediately, they dominated the company. Tim Donst beat Player Dos (Stu Grayson) for the Young Lions Cup. Claudio and Ares beat the Colony for the tag titles. Pinkie Sanchez started dressing as "Pink Ant" to mess with the Colony and made fun of fans for buying into that comic book tie-in bullshit. Sara Del Rey and Daizee Haze were assigned as spoilers to prevent any potential tag team challengers from getting enough points to get a title match. Two BDK teams were entered into King of Trios 2010. The midcard team of Donst/Pinkie/Lince and the main-eventer team of Claudio/Ares/Tursas. This was the year where the infamous situation happened where Team Mexico no-showed thanks to Skayde loving up/asking for more money. To work around this, Dieter VonSteigerwalt did a "randomized" drawing where the replacing team was the Osirian Portal and Sara Del Rey. So not only did the Osirian Portal have to take on the top members of the BDK, but they also had Del Rey trying to throw the match at every opportunity. In the quarterfinals, the Colony beat the BDK B-Team, handing the stable their first real loss. The finals was the Colony vs. the BDK A-Team. Though the Colony came close, they ultimately loss due to the appearance of referee Derek Sabato. Sabato, always poo poo on by the fans for being a worthless sad sack, revealed himself to be the BDK's official ref. He screwed over the Colony and the BDK stood tall. I'll finish the rest tomorrow.
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So it's 2010 and the BDK are dominating Chikara. While this is considered one of the best Chikara storylines in retrospect, it should be noted that this is the storyline that killed the site Chikarafans, as the posters on it absolutely hated the BDK angle and poo poo on it constantly. Also of note, late in the year, a trailer was released for a Chikara video game called Rudo Resurrection, which was going to be about UltraMantis Black resurrecting "dead" Chikara gimmicks as part of his plan to overthrow the BDK. It was going to be a side-scrolling beat 'em up and they didn't get around to putting it on a crowd-funding site until well after the main BDK storyline. Even then, they didn't make the goal. At this point, BDK is made up of nine wrestlers with a ring announcer, company GM in their pocket and referee. Claudio and Ares are tag champs, Tim Donst is YLC champ and the stable is fresh off a King of Trios tournament win. So here's what the team's up to in 2010: Claudio and Ares: Dominant as tag champs, usually winning their defenses 2-0. At one point, they get a fluke loss during a title defense against 3.0, but still win 2-1. Claudio mainly antagonizes Eddie Kingston while Ares antagonizes UltraMantis. Tursas: Is basically Braun Strowman with a lucha viking gimmick. Goes nearly the whole year without being taken off his feet. Green as hell in the beginning, but he does end up getting pretty good towards the end of his run. Tim Donst: Being YLC champ isn't enough for his ego, so he starts going on about being the best YLC champion ever. This means taking on former title holders, culminating in a feud against Hallowicked, which will ultimately break him down the line. Sara Del Rey and Daizee Haze: Del Rey is a badass with something to prove while Haze is a cowardly heel. They succeed as the spoiler team, but get enough points from winning to at least consider challenging their bosses. Pinkie Sanchez: Starts to see a guy dressed as Vokoder appearing at shows and freaks out. None of the other BDK folk ever see Vokoder and they start to question Pinkie's sanity. When it's time for a new YLC tournament, the BDK choose Lince Dorado to represent them, as they don't trust Pinkie's state of mind. Delirious: As the mad dog of the BDK, Delirious causes longtime rivals UltraMantis and Hallowicked to team together in hopes of freeing Delirious and fixing his mind. Lince Dorado: Has been winning matches by removing his mask behind the ref's back and making it seem like his opponent did it, thereby causing a DQ. This is to presumably lead to a mask vs. mask match with Equinox II. The BDK's first major loss came in the YLC tournament, where Frightmare beat Lince in the finals. Shortly after, behind the scenes, Quack got really pissy with Lince because he showed up unmasked on a YouTube video with Scott Hall, thereby hurting the point of the mask vs. mask match he was planning. Lince started no-showing Chikara events and that was that for him. As part of kayfabe, it was announced that Chikara was bought out by a mysterious company called Worldwide Media Development Corp. Wink Vavasseur was sent to audit the company, which started to keep Dieter VonSteigerwalt and Derek Sabato in line for the most part. Towards the end of the year, they did the big Chikara vs. BDK Cibernetico match. Chikara's team featured both faces and heels (ie. Stigma and Icarus), including a surprise appearance by Vokoder. Vokoder unmasked to reveal the return of Larry Sweeney (sadly, his last appearance in Chikara). In the end, Eddie Kingston won by being the first to be able to bring down Tursas. Kingston was also instrumental in helping the team of Quack and Jigsaw defeat Claudio and Ares for the tag belts. By this point, the BDK lost all their power. They had no titles, they ate enough major losses, Sabato was forced to be unbiased and VonSteigerwalt was fired as Director of Fun. Wink Vavasseur took over his spot. In 2011, Vavasseur decided that it was finally time for Chikara to have its own top singles title. He put together a two-block round robin tournament to crown the first champion called the 12 Large Summit. Everyone on the roster got to vote on who would be in it, all banned from voting for themselves. It was in secret, but you could read between the lines. For instance, even though Claudio wanted the entire BDK to vote only for him while he intended to waste his vote on Del Rey, Del Rey ended up with two votes and got to be in the summit. Haze was secretly backing her up. It was all well and good because they got what they wanted. They were allowed to wrestle men more often and they were respected. Why were they still with the BDK at this point? The BDK refused to have Claudio, Ares or Tursas enter King of Trios again for the sake of keeping them undefeated in the tournament. Instead, the BDK was represented by Tim Donst, Delirious and ring announcer-turned-wrestler Jakob Hammermeier. They also had Tursas in their corner. They lost to eventual winners the Colony and that same weekend, Pinkie Sanchez failed to win the Rey de Voladores tournament. On paper, the 12 Large Summit would have ended with Kingston vs. Claudio since they were in opposite blocks and it would be the perfect payoff. I guess the writing was on the wall with Claudio getting signed with WWE, as he lost many of his matches, including his match against Sara Del Rey. After the match, the BDK beat down Del Rey and then brutalized Daizee Haze. This was Haze getting written off as she was suffering from an eating disorder that was getting out of control. Claudio was gone shortly after and we ended up having a tournament finals of Eddie Kingston defeating Quack. Meanwhile, Green Ant and Tursas feuded throughout the year in an homage to Lex Luger vs. Yokozuna, complete with a bodyslam challenge, Green Ant going full patriot and there being an inspirational bus tour. At the finale, Green Ant got a decisive win over Tursas. Also at the finale was UltraMantis and Hallowicked vs. Ares and Tim Donst. If the faces lost, they had to unmask. If Ares and Donst lost, Ares had to give up the Eye of Tyr and Donst had to shave his head. Donst ended up betraying Ares and left him to eat the pin, saving his own head of hair in the process. After the show, UltraMantis used the Eye of Tyr to free Delirious. Delirious freaked out, smashed the Eye of Tyr and ran off into the night screaming, "I REMEMBER EVERYTHING!" On a later show, the pieces of the Eye of Tyr were found by what appeared to be Dr. Cube's henchmen. 2011 ended and the BDK was in shambles. Everyone was gone from the company or turned on the stable. The only ones left were Tim Donst and Jakob Hammermeier. Donst was an egomaniac and Jakob was his enthusiastic hanger-on. Donst continued his feud with Hallowicked, culminating in a mask vs. hair match. Despite excessive cheating, Donst lost and had his head shaved. The whole experience caused him to crack and turn into Raven Lite, all while claiming that Hallowicked was a god. Jakob -- who was starting to get over huge as a face -- still worshiped Donst, but Donst continued to treat him like poo poo and even sabotaged his matches. Everyone couldn't wait for Jakob to turn on Donst. Donst also bullied announcer Gavin Loudspeaker and forced him into a match. During the match, Jakob finally snapped and punched out Donst before running off. Loudspeaker barely won the match. Coincidentally, this was the big CHIKARA CLOSES DOWN show and Donst's last match with the company. He was seen during the Ashes storyline, though. In one YouTube video, Icarus visited Donst at his day job to ask for him to help bring Chikara back. Donst acted incredibly positive, but also really off. There was something disturbingly broken about him. While Chikara was gone, there were different promotions that popped up called "Wrestling Is _____" that were one-by-one destroyed by various anti-Chikara factions from the past. This included Wrestling Is Cool, where owner Milo Schnitzler revealed that he was part of the BDK and he was closing the place down under Ares' orders. Ares appeared with a big Tursas-like monster named Nokken. The BDK was a sub-faction of the Flood, along with the returning Dr. Cube and a mind-controlled Soldier Ant. Tursas also returned, looking more badass than ever. He had a few matches before being killed off by the Estonian Thunderfrog. At King of Trios 2014, one of the teams was BDK-Cubed, made up of Ares, Nokken and Dr. Cube. They lost in the first round and Ares wanted Nokken to destroy Dr. Cube for being the weak link. Instead, Nokken beat down Ares. Cube unmasked and revealed himself to be Jakob Hammermeier, now in control of the Eye of Tyr. That's why Donst was acting so weird in his final appearance. Also, one of Dr. Cube's masked goons turned out to be Pinkie Sanchez. Somewhere along the line, Milo Schnitzler was kicked out of the BDK for being a terrible announcer. Whatever. For 2015's Challenge of the Immortals, the BDK team was made up of Jakob Hammermeier, Nokken, Pinkie and Soldier Ant. During this time, Jakob started claiming he was a king and had a weekly YouTube series that was just him, on a throne, being bored and randomly discussing his teammates and how much he enjoyed Garfield. Nokken stopped appearing after that year's King of Trios. Soldier Ant was able to break free of the Eye of Tyr's mind control (thanks to Jakob accidentally punching him) and went back to being part of the Colony. After that, it was just Jakob with Pinkie Sanchez and Jaka. They didn't do much and Jakob had the Eye of Tyr stolen from him by Hallowicked. The BDK just fizzled away in 2016 and all three final members were gone from the company soon after.
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Great recap, thanks Gavok. gently caress Quackenbush, but I'm gonna miss Chikara. Future One Night Stand show perhaps?
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On one of these threads someone said that Rey and Eddie were the creative leads on the 'I'm your Papi' storyline, is that true?
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Arbite posted:On one of these threads someone said that Rey and Eddie were the creative leads on the 'I'm your Papi' storyline, is that true? Chico said something to that effect, which I believe, since it was a very lucha storyline.
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What are some good Royal Rumbles from 2000-2015? I generally know who won but not which year so if its a good result even better
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01, 02, 05 are three pretty great Rumbles and historically significant. I remember enjoying 08, especially for the big moment. Whichever was the 40 man Rumble (2011?) was very good as well, despite the overused finish.
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