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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Ive been listening to 83 weeks podcast There's your first mistake
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Does any promotion in the English speaking world do King's Road style battle of wills poo poo
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oldpainless posted:I’d rather listen to 83 weeks than something to wrestle Something to Wrestle was at least worth it when I needed a ton of content to get myself through a work day and you'd get like one or two nuggets of truth in the poo poo. I also sensed more...not truth, but a little more authenticity when discussing Houston vs. having to defend some awful decision made in 2002 with some bullshit reason.
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Does Russo still believe AEW and WWE are in cahoots?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Does any promotion in the English speaking world do King's Road style battle of wills poo poo If you want the modern King's Road, with title matches where each man's resolve and durability is tested, you may be interested in a little promotion called NXT
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Aug 3, 2020 19:35
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I Before E posted:If you want the modern King's Road, with title matches where each man's resolve and durability is tested, you may be interested in a little promotion called NXT
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Doc M posted:NXT isn't only watched by men, you know This is technically true
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Aug 3, 2020 20:46
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How many 4*+ matches has Chris Jericho had in his career? A few friends and I are comparing Jericho to Bret so their respective bodies of work have come up.
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ChrisBTY posted:How many 4*+ matches has Chris Jericho had in his career? A few friends and I are comparing Jericho to Bret so their respective bodies of work have come up. Approx. 60 Honestly I'd say a better comparison is that Bret was on top for a period of at most 1992-1997 whereas Jericho has been off and on top for twenty years and his point of question is if he's surpassed Flair, Bret's no longer even in the conversation.
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Aug 3, 2020 21:21
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I Before E posted:If you want the modern King's Road, with title matches where each man's resolve and durability is tested, you may be interested in a little promotion called NXT This is true insofar that you have to be real enduring to get through all the stupid poo poo that WWE puts you through.
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Aug 3, 2020 21:48
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ChrisBTY posted:How many 4*+ matches has Chris Jericho had in his career? A few friends and I are comparing Jericho to Bret so their respective bodies of work have come up. How interesting! To be fair, a lot of Bret's career existed before monthly PPVs, and he was only motivated until 1998. And, further, remember for a good chunk that he was a great worker in a bizarre vacuum where spectacle and story came before wrestling.
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Aug 3, 2020 22:01
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Jericho has (according to Big Dave): 2 ****+ matches in WCW 43 ****+ matches in WWE (including Elimination Chambers/multiman clusters but not including Rumbles) 6 ****+ matches in NJPW 4 ****+ marches in AEW So that's 55, unless I'm missing some other promotion, stretching from September 1996 against Benoit up to a couple of weeks against Orange Cassidy Bret has 15 ****+ matches in WWF 2 ****+ matches in WCW To be fair to Bret here, there were fewer PPVs during his prime than Jericho's, also Jericho had stretches in WWE where he was given a lot more opportunities to have long good matches on TV than Bret did for the vast majority of his career; in 2001 alone Jericho had four *****+ TV matches, and it didn't hurt that he was in those matches with Austin, Rock, Benoit, Angle, the Hardys, Edge & Christian, HHH, etc.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:29
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Jericho also had some four star matches from Wrestle Association R (against Benoit and against Ultimo Dragon) and a four and a half star six man tag from the first Jericho cruise where he teamed with the Bucks against Kenny, Cody and Marty Scurll, which was technically a ROH match.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:37
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bret should fight daniel bryan for the guy who should have had a lot more great matches than they did. and he probably loses that too
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Aug 3, 2020 23:39
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Edge & Christian posted:Jericho has (according to Big Dave): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_matches_rated_5_or_more_stars_by_Dave_Meltzer 5-Star Dave matches for Jericho: 1 (Career - 1990-Present - 30+ Years and Counting) 5-Star Dave matches for Bret: 2 (Career - 1978-2000 - 22 Years)
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Aug 3, 2020 23:40
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Daniel Bryan: 0
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Aug 3, 2020 23:42
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i do love how the entire 2000s had a total of 7 5 star matches and three of them had Samoa Joe and three of them also had Kenta Kobashi and one of them was Samoa Joe v Kenta Kobashi
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Aug 3, 2020 23:45
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Samoa Joe: 3 EFB
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Red posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_matches_rated_5_or_more_stars_by_Dave_Meltzer So Samoa Joe > Jericho & Bret. Checks out.
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Lid posted:i do love how the entire 2000s had a total of 7 5 star matches and three of them had Samoa Joe and three of them also had Kenta Kobashi and one of them was Samoa Joe v Kenta Kobashi I was sure I could name all of them but for some reason I either completely forgot or had never heard about the Nagata and Iizuka/Fuchi and Kawada match.
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Aug 3, 2020 23:51
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Edge & Christian posted:Jericho has (according to Big Dave): just from checking Wiki pre-WCW Jericho teamed with Lance Storm in Japan, had a run in Mexico, teamed with Storm in Smoky Mountain, had a run in Japan including being in a Super J Cup, and had a run in ECW I'd be shocked if he didn't put on a few 4* matches somewhere in all that
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Aug 3, 2020 23:52
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that Iizuka was in a five star match is in itself mind blowing
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Lid posted:Daniel Bryan: 0 Johnny Ace: 1
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forkboy84 posted:So Samoa Joe > Jericho & Bret. Welllllllll, as an exercise, my point is more that having more opportunities is a thing.
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Gaz-L posted:Johnny Ace: 1 2.
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Aug 4, 2020 00:12
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Oh, poo poo, I didn't know about the Kobashi one.
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Brian's career being a decade when Dave wasn't handing 5* matches out to anybody then a second decade when WWE couldn't produce a 5* match to save its life really isn't helping his GOAT case. Ok new question: How many 5* matches has WWE had from 2010-now. Not counting nXt.
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ChrisBTY posted:Ok new question: How many 5* matches has WWE had from 2010-now. Not counting nXt. Not counting NXT, one: Punk v. Cena, MitB '11. EDIT: Of the WWF/WWE 5* matches, this is the only non-NXT one without Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels. They each had one in 1994 (Shawn v. Razor at WM X, Bret v. Owen at Summerslam) and 1997 (Bret v. Austin at WM 13, Shawn v. 'Taker at Badd Blood), and then WWE was barren until Punk v. Cena. Some fun stats: NXT has had seven, compared to five for the entire rest of WWF/WWE history. Meanwhile, Kazuchika Okada has had five 5* matches with Kenny Omega; Misawa had seven 5* tag-team matches against the Holy Demon Army. disaster pastor fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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ChrisBTY posted:Brian's career being a decade when Dave wasn't handing 5* matches out to anybody then a second decade when WWE couldn't produce a 5* match to save its life really isn't helping his GOAT case. Each new 4 3/4 star rating he gave to a Danielson match that was like the best thing I'd ever seen in wrestling up to that point had me going through all the stages of grief. I know he was probably burned out/tuned out in the 2000s and New Japan helped revive him, and I generally don't really think of his ratings as anything but one person's opinion. But that stupid run of the mill NXT ladder match getting five stars when Danielson couldn't get a single one at his peak is just hilarious.
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wrestling as a whole has gotten a lot better in the 2010s along with far more accessibility/awareness to wrestling on a worldwide scale. theres a large number of ROH matches from 2002-2010 that have gone unrated and more than a few that have gotten 4 3/4
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I mean that's fine for someone new to wrestling but for someone writing the paper of record for the industry doesn't have much of an excuse.
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yeah the nxt ladder match was a really weird one to give a fiver to, especially when it was the same card as ciampa/gargano which i thought was probably a 5 star match
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JOHN CENA posted:yeah the nxt ladder match was a really weird one to give a fiver to, especially when it was the same card as ciampa/gargano which i thought was probably a 5 star match Haha yes! I was totally underwhelmed by that ladder match, which I thought was your standard *** WWE produced ladder match they'd put on for the last 20 years, and then you have this unbelievable story-driven emotional match as the main before they drove that poo poo into the ground. Totally backwards.
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Aug 4, 2020 04:24
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That Bryan conversation reminded me that Dave never rated Bryan/Shingo from DGUSA, which makes me ask: what are the best matches Dave never gave a star rating to?
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Aug 4, 2020 04:37
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I Before E posted:That Bryan conversation reminded me that Dave never rated Bryan/Shingo from DGUSA, which makes me ask: what are the best matches Dave never gave a star rating to? danielson vs KENTA
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disaster pastor posted:Not counting NXT, one: Punk v. Cena, MitB '11. This is the sort of thing that happens when the guy who has a stranglehold on professional wrestling in the United States hates professional wrestling. God loving drat it. Unrelated; yes Meltzer is only one person. I think we just use his ratings because they are the common currency of match ratings so we arn't constantly asking each other 'by which critic'
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i don't know what dave didn't rate but is it true he didn't rate danielson/morishima II?
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Cavauro posted:i don't know what dave didn't rate but is it true he didn't rate danielson/morishima II? 4 3/4, i had to deal with a few weeks of hulkamatts incredulity it didnt get full fiver
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thank you john cena. 128-bit
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JOHN CENA posted:danielson vs KENTA He did rate it.
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