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How much of the 80's UWF is actually out on Video? Kinda of want to see some the stuff that forced All Japan and New Japan into clean finishes
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Hashimoto/Ogawa probably did more harm to New Japan than Nagata/Crocop even though that harm wasn't noticeable at first
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Sep 9, 2019 03:09
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Kim Justice, while doing more game videos, has done some recent stuff on Misawa and Brock Lesnar's IWGP run that are quite good too
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Sep 9, 2019 05:06
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CopywrightMMXI posted:To piggyback off of this, who are the biggest NXT success stories? It seems that most of the bigger names were already big before and didn't need to be in developmental. Reigns followed way in the back by Rusev and than followed by Corbin in the distance again for home grown guys. But aside from Reigns nobody is close to Juice who left and went through the Young Lion system to become bigger. Edit: Charlotte Flair, Becky, Shasha and Baley are also up in the success category for Women SatoshiMiwa fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Sep 14, 2019 16:21
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Solar System Specialist and I'd have the most amazing mask with it
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Sep 14, 2019 20:23
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Has there been a worse top babyface in WWE than Seth fr*cking Rollins? I still want to think Diesel is worse due to just tanking the entire business for the fed during his run but the Wyatt feud is sure making a good case for Rollins
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Oct 16, 2019 04:43
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MassRafTer posted:There are two elements that make a good wrestling match. Ideally both are combined, but you can have a good match with a minimum of one if the other is high enough. Don't listen to that new school poppycock. The sign of a good match is psychology and building to a finish by working a body part. To show this here is a youtube series about the headlock....
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Oct 19, 2019 06:57
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MassRafTer posted:Prick Okada vs 2005, kind of broken down beloved legend Kobashi would be my pick. This post reminded me of Tanhashi vs Shiozaki in NOAH in 2010 where Tana is being his heel prick self and Go is just sort of just going through a typical match when he really should of been just chopping the hell out of Tanahashi. But than that's why Tanahashi is the Ace and Go is well in NOAH's midcard
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Nov 7, 2019 07:25
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With the Kenny/New Japan stuff I was wondering if there were any Visa issues when Western talent like Brody and Hansen jumped between New Japan/All Japan in the 80's?
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Nov 9, 2019 18:42
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It treats wrestling as if it's a shoot and the plot is silly in places but it's pretty good and the animation ranges from okay to good to great (like all Toei Productions hi Precure/DBZ/Sailor Moon). Also it ends with Tiger Mask facing Kota Ibushi in a gym with Kota voicing Kota which is amazing as Ibushi was the one who wrestled as Tiger Mask X
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Nov 16, 2019 05:22
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Gin and Yoshi-tonic
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Nov 20, 2019 18:04
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Strong Style - Based on stiff strike exchanges that could in theory end a match in an instant - Usually associated with New Japan King's Road - Style based off on the finish being slow built with counters and kicking out of moves before the one big move ends the match. All Japan/NOAH's house style and to be honest Modern New Japan is a mix of King's Road/Strong Style Catch as Catch can/British - Wrestling based on mat work with neat pin combinations/counters and submissions. ZSJ uses this style a lot Shoot Style - Proto MMA - Pancrase and UWF pioneered this style Memphis Style - Wild Brawls and over the top angles. Proto Sports Entertainment
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Nov 21, 2019 05:24
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Del Rio vs Mirko Cro Cop is actually an amazing match just to see Del Rio get punked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGxc8CPA0b8
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Jan 11, 2020 03:48
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Aside from his Aura the biggest thing Okada does better than anyone else probably right now and arguably in history is just time his moves so perfectly. One of his signature spots is just a dropkick, and while he looks cool doing it cause of his height it's the fact he times it so perfectly during a match that makes it so special Plus during his god reign he also had selling down so well that all of his opponents looked bad rear end which made Okada's comebacks look bad rear end.
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Jan 11, 2020 03:55
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Coaaab posted:Is the Japanese dojo system within, say, the last 10 years as rough or rougher than the PC? If so, is it your opinion that the ends justify the means? Post Inoki I think the NJPW dojo got cleaned up of it's more awful stuff and I think Bushiroad has gone even further. It's probably harder training than the PC but it's not abusive like the Inoki days where it would make the Demott PC look good
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Feb 5, 2020 19:26
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Tanahashi is also having a real amazing late career run that's pushing him into the GOAT talk as well
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Feb 16, 2020 17:42
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The problem with Hogan and Gagne was not that they were dominant when they drew, that's good. The problem was when they stopped being able to draw well they kept wanting to be booked as dominant and welp
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Feb 16, 2020 21:38
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Coaaab posted:This post made me want to raise a tangential point: which fed had the greatest disparity between good booking and low-quality talent where you'd consider the promotion either generally successful (audience reactions, financials, etc.) or personally successful in your eyes? WWE in 1998
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Feb 17, 2020 20:29
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Benne posted:IIRC Butterbean went into that match expecting to take the fall and cash his check and was surprised when they told him it that, yes, this is an actual shoot Same logic Inoki used when he sent Nagata into face Cro cop!
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Feb 19, 2020 05:38
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Dell_Zincht posted:Honestly the fact that the nWo were basically booking WCW i'm surprised he didn't get a few World Title runs out of it Till Starrcade 97 Hogan was the best choice to have the belt so no room for Hall to have the strap and after that it was pretty clear that Scott's problem with alcohol were so bad that you really couldn't trust him even with a short vanity run
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May 3, 2020 08:04
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Basing everything on the 18-40 Young male demo is a very bad thing for diverse TV and I suspect online streaming will chase it as well leading to streaming TV being very samey despite the initial promise of having different types of shows
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May 6, 2020 00:23
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Shawn wouldn't have had a good top in 96 cause he was 100% a mess both to way too much politics backstage and probably drugs/alcohol but having his face gimmick be a 100% clean cut super hero baby face did him no favors. If they kept an edge and had him be proto DX without being quite as over the top the run might have gone better
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May 8, 2020 18:47
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Gedo also added a lot to Okada's act when Okada was just starting out as the new Ace of the company
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May 15, 2020 22:53
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rujasu posted:Did Jimmy Hart add anything to anyone's act as a manager? Even though he was the "Mouth of the South" I was never impressed with his mic work, but I guess his peak was in the 80's, and I wasn't around for that. Was he really good back in the day and just didn't have anything to offer (other than music) once the Attitude Era rolled around? Jimmy's best stuff was in Memphis where he absolutely was one of the best managers in the business. It didn't quite carry over to WWE like Bobby Hennan's act did cause...well memphis
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May 15, 2020 22:55
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I still find it super funny that Loyd's of London actually insured wrestlers up until Hennig
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May 17, 2020 05:27
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And if anything one of the issues WWE has right now is everything is so 50/50 so they probably should push a guy like Cena
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May 17, 2020 16:39
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WWE attendance figures are as accurate as Korakuen hall numbers for the 80's!
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Jun 5, 2020 18:02
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Speaking of banned moves, why is the Tombstone an auto DQ in Lucha?
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Jun 5, 2020 19:44
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ChrisBTY posted:Have there been any Luchas in history who just said 'gently caress you I'ma do heckin' tombstones' Yeah Rudo's use it to either steal pins when the ref is distracted or to get heat by doing it (and taking the DQ) and watching the opponent get stretchered out.
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Jun 5, 2020 21:35
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I think the biggest case for Cena being a really good worker is how bad the WWE main event scene has become since they moved on from Cena cause he's too old Like everything everybody says was bad about Cena's run is still in the current scene it's just way way worse
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Jun 17, 2020 00:32
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With Rookie of the year you really just have to look at the year itself and not the whole career for it to make sense
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Jun 18, 2020 04:45
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The Hollywood Blondes felt like a gimmick that would lead to Austin and Pillman being major stars for WCW for years but welp that got self destructed quickly
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sticklefifer posted:Don't forget Tyson Tomko, Maven, Vladimir Kozlov, Kenny Dykstra, and The Highlanders! That almost was Hiroshi Tanahashi too!
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Jul 21, 2020 04:11
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Didn't WCW draw more with Hogan/Flair than WWE did?
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Jul 27, 2020 16:53
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So quick questions, which match that people think is a classic or is a classic but you think the actual booking of the match doesn't make sense for what they're trying to do? For me the biggest example is the 92 Royal Rumble as they very much wanted Hogan to get a super sympathy pop for not winning the title and Sid/Flair to be super over as heels with Sid robbing Hulk of the title and Flair winning it by cheating/screwy means. However when you watch the match you see while Flair does take shortcuts he's also out there for an hour and the crowd is starting to cheer him because that's super impressive, Hogan comes in late and thus when he pulls his act the end it comes off as really petty. Looking at the lay out of the match and the flow it's not to hard to see that Flair is gonna get a pop for winning and that Hogan just might get booed for his act the end
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Admiral Joeslop posted:What are some more "illegal" moves like the Shattered Dreams and Tarantula? Did either of those moves win in a no DQ or similar stipulation match? Tombstone Piledriver is illegal in Mexico and gets you DQ'ed (and is a great way to end a second fall to get some heat for the third)
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Aug 21, 2020 20:25
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Yeah, Chokes are 100% illegal as they attack the throat whereas in Kayfabe stuff like Sleepers/Cobra Clutches/Tazzmission doesn't
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Aug 21, 2020 22:04
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If your talking about mix of cartoon/over the top with pro-wrestling than after the Undertaker your looking at Tiger Mask and Liger As actual wrestling gimmicks Undertaker is way behind El Santo
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Aug 23, 2020 06:03
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Stuff like Stone Cold, Inoki, and even Andre are all gimmicks even if some of the people are so deep into them they live it as real life. The Undertaker though is the biggest example of a gimmick that is very much 100% cartoon and actually working for a long time
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JOHN CENA posted:i always tended to enjoy feds that just used real music from the start like roh and pwg. roh would just include it on their dvds and hope nobody noticed until the hdnet deal came in and raised their exposure. i always wondered how ecw got away with it on tv and ppv. people claim that heyman had music industry contacts but because its heyman i somehow do not believe that ECW probably got away with it by being small and nobody really noticed mixed in with the fact that the 90's really was the tail end of music companies not being quite so vigilant on cracking down on copywrite.
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