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Didn't Bret Hart refer to Melina as one of the top wrestlers in the world at some point? What is it with old legend dudes and Melina. The Melina/Foley thing at least crossed over to the on-screen product a bit, as it was a focal point of the ill-conceived 2006 Foley vs Flair feud 
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Pope Corky the IX posted:One of my favorite J-E-DOUBLE-F-J-A-DOUBLE-R-E-DOUBLE-T-HA-HA moments is when his action figure couldn't have "Don't Piss Me Off!" on the shirt, so it was changed to "Don't **** Me Off!" which is so much worse.  
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Sep 26, 2019 14:58
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Edge & Christian posted:Here are the highest rated ones according to Big Dave: Follow up question is how many of those matches have the finish where the face covertly taps the first three turnbuckles while the heel drags him around the ring, then finally "intercepts" the fourth for the dramatic win. I swear like 99% of strap matches have done that, and I hate it because whenever they explain the rules before the match it sounds like it shouldn't even work that way.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:03
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Were the recurring jobbers on WWF Superstars mostly local workers, or was there of a handful of contracted job guys in there? Like I believe Brooklyn Brawler was with WWF full time despite performing exclusively as a jobber (correct me if I'm wrong). And what about a guy like Barry Horowitz? I assumed he started local and eventually got signed when he did the angle with Candido/Skip. Minidust fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Oct 15, 2019 19:25
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Gavok posted:But Luger didn't do the torture rack in WWF.
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Oct 16, 2019 16:04
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FunMerrania posted:One friend almost died taking a hiptoss and another one got concussed taking an armdrag.
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Nov 18, 2019 19:58
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Honestly that TV lawyer delivering his info via a drawn-out riddle is one of my favorite dumb wrestling things. Like the angle itself is played for stupid comedy but that aspect of it was handled relatively straight with no one in-universe really questioning it.
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Nov 18, 2019 22:21
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Shamrock was in that "Ahmed Johnson zone" of guys who get pushed pretty hard and remain very protected but never really go anywhere. It's that awkward spot of being too over for the midcard but too green or unproven to build the show around. Typically they end up getting booked in one token title match, and then comes an ill-advised heel turn as WWE can't come up with anything else to do with them. I think timing also killed him as he came in while Undertaker was champion, and the title then went from Bret to Shawn to Austin. That's a pretty airtight title scene (although Bret claims he would have dropped the title to Shamrock before the Montreal Survivor Series) and once Austin is in the picture it's drat hard to introduce another relatively new face to the top.
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Dec 4, 2019 21:16
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Dell_Zincht posted:I'm partial to a casket match, AFAIK there aren't many major companies doing them and WWE only does them when Undertaker is involved. On a similar note, there could be some spectacular imagery in a Kane-less inferno match. Although it would still suck for the wrestlers involved, and probably still wouldn't amount to an actual good match. The whole "setting your opponent on fire" win condition kind of limits what you can do as well, so they might has well open that up. btw that got me thinking about Bray's debut in an inferno match, which I remembered ending in a pinfall, but now that I look it up it was apparently a "Ring of Fire" match? Huh, okay.
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Dec 11, 2019 21:55
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I like how Earl Hebner smacked the mat for a three count, good full arm extension. Nick Patrick did a stupid little T-rex flailing forearm slap that I always hated. Tim White always sounded like he was counting the 1 when he dropped to the floor, leading to many confusing 2-counts that sounded like 3-counts, or actual 3-counts that sounded like 4-counts and hurt the finish a little.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:19
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Slam Jam (2) Profile: New York City, september 18/19. 1995 - Manhattan's Electric Lady Studios witness the added power of some of the biggest talent in rock. Combine five players from some of the most important U.S. metal and underground rock acts with two rappers from german crossover kings Such A Surge and you got the the Super-All-Star-Project group Slam Jam. Members: Gary Meskil, Jon Oliva, Kenny Hickey, Michel Begeame, Oliver Schneider, Scott Rosenfeld, Tim Mallare Singles & EPs: Slam Jam (2) - Full Metal (The Single) The World Wrestling Federation Superstars* & Slam Jam (2) - Full Metal (The Single) (CD, Single) Concrete (2) 0086365 CTR 1995
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Feb 12, 2020 16:18
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Re: PatriotChat, Tom Brandi later "bought" the gimmick from Del Wilkes (which Del has claimed never actually happened) and worked as The Patriot at a bunch of indy shows. I guess I have no reason to believe one over the other, but I worked with the Brandi version in a local tag match and he seemed cool enough v v. Also got a tag match with the third-most-remembered version of Doink on my résumé !
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Mar 13, 2020 21:09
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Watching some of these WWF Superstars episodes from 1992 and it got me wondering - was there any particular reason Jim Powers was relegated to enhancement talent in the early '90s? He's Vince's prototypical muscular dreamboat and looks really out of place among all the schlubby jobbers. It's especially odd since they were repackaging Hogan-era midcard guys left and right at the time.bartok posted:The only thing that I hate about the Wrestlemania X ladder match is how everyone downplays Scott Hall's role in the match, but that might be the Razor Ramon fan in me talking. I also think Bret/Owen was the better match. 
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Apr 15, 2020 20:30
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Edge & Christian posted:The real prequel to all of the Developmental Names was the period in the late 1980s/early 1990s where they'd take established wrestlers and give them a goofy rear end gimmick that would essentially replace their names. Sometimes they'd still acknowledge (sometimes) that it's THE DRAGON ricky steamboat or EL MATADOR tito santana or THE MODEL rick martel but just as often "Mister Perfect" or "The Repo Man" or "I.R.S." or ""Skinner" or "Texas Tornado" or "Red Rooster" would effectively replace the name they used elsewhere. Minidust fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Apr 22, 2020 |
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Apr 22, 2020 15:28
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bartok posted:Besides we all know Slow Chemical from Finger Eleven would win hands down. And even the Punisher soundtrack's status as a non-wrestling release is supsect, when you read down the tracklist and notice how much material has shown up in WWE in some form. Yes I know too much about early/mid-2000's buttrock.
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Apr 22, 2020 21:03
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Not letting them beat the heel 6 times before they beat them at the PPV would help, I think.
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May 5, 2020 19:25
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Edge & Christian posted:It was ostensibly a face vs. face match and in those the champion is always kind of the defacto heel, and Michaels seemed fine with playing that up.
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May 8, 2020 18:33
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Randaconda posted:Also, his gimmick was basically "male stripper". That's not gonna get the grown men behind you haha he would even occasionally do these weird striptease bits where he started pulling his pants down while dancing on the ring apron, all the while Vince would be getting uncomfortable on commentary and awkwardly bellowing "hohoho anything can happen in the WWF!!" i grew up in a pretty PG household and this was my closest equivalent to "watchcing a movie with your parents and a sex scene comes on"
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May 8, 2020 22:10
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Red posted:His original HBK gimmick, with Sherri (where she literally sang his song), was that he was a gigolo, right? That explains the little hat and heart-shaped glasses back then, but .... 5 years later? A weird pastiche borrowing from loosely-related ideas, kinda like Jon Morrison being Jim Morrison but with a Jimi Hendrix theme song.
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May 8, 2020 22:42
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What was the rationale behind Bret's untelevised title win 1992? I realize business was more heavily based around house shows back then, but as far as I know this was just a one-off match filmed for Coliseum Home Video, rather than the usual loops they would promote on the weekend TV. Did they want to keep the Flair/Savage feud going but without the title involved? Was it just a shocking twist to drum up interest? Was home video business down and they felt this would give it a shot in the arm?
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Jun 7, 2020 07:10
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Going back a bit to Austin/Owen piledriver chat - Owen actually does that same spot but with a standard Tombstone vs Bret at Wrestlemania 10. Undertaker wasn't actually on that card, so I assume that's why they were okay with using the regular drop-to-knees version. This version of the spot was also in the Bret vs. Benoit on Nitro (Owen tribute) match. I always assumed Owen made a last-second adjustment and sat out when he remembered that the Tomstone was already "taken" for that night. But based on the account from Ausin posted earlier, it sounds like the decision was made ahead of time (just with some unfortunate misunderstanding surrounding it).
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Sep 14, 2020 18:35
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I was just thinking about WWE's "the brand is the star" nonsense, and it occurred to me that you rarely hear wrestlers refer specifically to their own fans anymore. What I mean is stuff like "Hulkamaniacs" or the Rock referring to his millions AND MILLIONS of fans watching at home. Now wrestlers just love to entertain the WWE Universe and it's just another little dimension of everyone being replaceable and everything sucking. Anyway, when is the last time a WWE wrestler referred to their own fanbase on a regular basis? I'm thinking "Cenation" (which didn't even last too long) may have been it?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:RAW IS WAR'S A THORN
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Nov 17, 2020 16:56
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SLUM KING posted:Rey is the easily the most mistreated world champion of all time. A better, less racist company would have built around him (and Eddy) and made some huge loving money but Vince is a dumb bigot who booked the greatest face of the last 30 years as a joke. Like the obvious story directions would be Rey taking the devastating chair-assisted move and losing valiantly, or getting the chair out of the way just in time and kicking out at 2.99999... but lol nah they came up with a 3rd option that made everyone look less cool
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Nov 29, 2020 08:29
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britishbornandbread posted:Currently enjoying Survivor Series 1996 with a beer. Is there a deeper reason for the smarky crowd cheering Sid and booing Shawn? They seemed “normal” for Bret v Austin before.
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Jan 4, 2021 20:44
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JOHN CENA posted:theres that one image where shawn michaels is somehow completely vertical and upside down Pope Corky the IX posted:That’s what I immediately thought of, it looks like he’s balancing himself on the top of his head with no other support. 
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D.N. Nation posted:Yep, both came out to "Break It Down," as did Chyna separately; they basically kept the song going for 5 minutes
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MassRafTer posted:At one point WCW was going to get Raw and WWF would get Smackdown. The plans changed several times and included that idea and WCW being its own touring brand with a show late nights on TNN, and then finally the invading faction we got.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:17
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bessantj posted:Thanks for the answers. It was a serious shift in tone. But unless you know what actually happened then you are likely to give a fawning eulogy because Benoit had been so important to WWE at the time. They way they talked about how he just broke down after Eddie's death a well it did seem like he was on a course fro something like this to happen but you wouldn't know until the event happened and you could look back and piece it all together.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:23
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Bruiser Brody Dory was in, if Rumble appearances count. Brody might count if WWWF matches get grandfathered in! Sandman McMahon posted:I know what you’re referring too and I’m pretty sure it was Kurt Angle.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:24
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Eat My Fuc posted:drat that sounds good Kosmo Gallion posted:Are there any wrestlers you think look like another person? I've just remembered Static X and Wayne Static (RIP) and I cannot unsee Matt Hardy.
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Apr 21, 2021 21:09
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DLC Inc posted:Why has Trent Beretta used the "Trent?" name with the question mark, is it some kind of inside joke? Is it because he can't use Beretta/Baretta or something? On a similar note, Billy Gunn was announced with his full gimmick name on Dynamite last week (rather than then the carefully-phrased “BILLY of the GUNN club” they had been doing). Did WWE just let that one slip through the cracks? I would’ve expected them to clamp down harder after Cody got Rhodes back.
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Apr 28, 2021 05:30
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BodyMassageMachine posted:Stone Cold leaving and the Brand Split/HHH reign of terror is the last major stretch I remember before bailing until the CM Punk Pipebomb. So 2003ish to mid-2011 is a blindspot for me when it comes to WWE; was there ANY gold in there? Or is it just fond memories of some good stuff (Smackdown 6, the early ECW revival attempts, Edge’s big heel push) in a sea of garbage?
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The WWE releases last week got me wondering, is Enzo Amore the only WWE wrestler ever released while holding a title? Closest I could think of was Madusa going to Nitro or various injury scenarios, but those obviously aren't "releases" per se.
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Jun 9, 2021 18:41
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Karma Tornado posted:Cody and Ted DiBiase were mystery opponents for Cody and Bob Holly, if I remember right, so sort of Not quite what the OP was asking but a funny little footnote for sure. Hard to believe Russo was nowhere near it.
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Jun 14, 2021 19:40
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El Gallinero Gros posted:What did the announce team do when Nash tore his quad on RAW?
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Jun 23, 2021 16:30
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Ganso Bomb posted:I feel like even as a kid, I knew Golga was Earthquake/Tenta. Was it ever referenced on commentary? I was on the internet and maybe still RSPW if it was still around then, so maybe I just knew it from that + other newz sites of the time but it didn't feel like a well-kept secret.
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Beth Phoenix got a 2-0 win over Candice Michelle after Candice had a terrifying botch and they called an audible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5d6PQgHKxg&t=420s
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The funny thing with the Owen/Austin piledriver is that Owen/Bret did the same sequence at Wrestlemania X, but with a regular tombstone. Benoit/Bret also did it on Nitro, and I'm pretty sure I saw a clip from an old Stampede match with that spot as well (possibly with Davey Boy?). Of note is that the only one of these instances that also featured Undertaker on the card was Summer Slam '97. So I've always suspected that Owen specifically adjusted the spot with that in mind, considering how weird WWE gets about sharing trademark moves.
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Even without the insane controlling whims of a Vince-like figure, a good color guy should speak within certain parameters. Like wrestler X is on this level of the card feuding with wrestler Y and/or Z; here's where a storyline is at and here's where it's probably going, etc. It's probably a challenge to stick to that in the booth and not end up producing rambling wild speculation that doesn't get anyone over in the long run. Note: insipid/inspired Taz commentary is exempt from this
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