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What was that Yud thing about how any sufficiently powerful AI would convince you to let it do sinister AI things?
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Sep 14, 2019 21:29
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"HERE WE GO AGAIN" *horrible existential stuff here*
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Sep 22, 2019 02:40
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Also GMs who over the top kill any PC who's player drops cause some anxiety for players that don't like the game but develop an attachment to their PC. (BLACKLEAF NO)
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Sep 29, 2019 23:23
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Someone said it better up thread, but I think its how people irl are trained to be less empathetic and less cooperative than they naturally can be, the god-machine just uses spooky machine magic to do it instead of fox news meme magic.
Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Oct 3, 2019 |
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Oct 3, 2019 08:17
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FMguru posted:The other thing about armor in pulpy SF is that it often doesn't seem to have any effect (Stormtroopers might as well have been wearing Speedos for all the good their armor did them against a handful of stone-age teddy bears) You do get some power armor fetish stuff in super light sci-fantasy as well, but yeah.
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Oct 5, 2019 01:49
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I've been in several shadowrun living communities (5th ed) and while any system, no matter how bad, can be fun when playing with friends, shadowrun is the only one where we felt a bond in mutually overcoming a difficult obstacle together (that obstacle being playing shadowrun) "What joins men together, he said, is not the sharing of bread but the sharing of enemies ", the enemy in this case being Hardy's design.
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Oct 7, 2019 10:00
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At the very least, 5th has a lot more options for init boostering. Wired reflexes in all LCs i've been on has been regarded as a trap option considering how easy it is to use drugs with little/no consequences. It turns out the future wasn't robot people with wire spines so much as people who can now take ALL THE METH and not die.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:57
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Understandable. As a member of said hybrid game, its easier when both the live session is discord/irc and the pbp is on a personal wiki/equivalent somewhere. It massively helps keep interest up in both parts of it since there's a steady dripfeed of things going on to keep attention.
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Oct 11, 2019 07:55
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Oof, yeah, that sounds frustrating. I know I keep rambling about it, but at least the unwared weapon spec works in 5th. Its a combo of edge, drugs, and using things that don't rely on sheer dice pools to be effective (autoweapons fire, suppressive fire* explosives, and grabbing little bonuses here and there via small unit tactics, etc) *which due to a very shadowrun type bug works BETTER the less initiative you have.
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Oct 12, 2019 16:25
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Halloween Jack posted:In theory--and yes, the game lays out its setting's theories--magick is balanced by having hard limits on what it is and isn't, and what it can and can't do, unlike D&D. In practice, they ignore it all the time, and magick can do really powerful stuff anyway. Possession traditions+task spirit cheese   Re: Shadowrunners being shadowrunners due to an inherit deficit, I strongly disagree. Pretty much all my PCs do not work for a corp because they don't want to. And the GM forcing you to sucks and I wouldn't play with one that enforced that fluff conceit. "The problems inherent in shadowrunning, up to and including horrible death and things worse than death, are still preferable to work-a-day-life under any possible corp context." Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 04:48
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Ah, its just that its often phrased in a "everyone wants to, and its only being broken in someway that keeps you from going corp" way, with the implication that not wanting to being proof in-of-itself that that PC is a broken shell of a person*. I apologize if that was not your intent. *this might just be 4th and most of 5ths ed's anti-punk stance. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Oct 19, 2019 |
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Oct 19, 2019 05:48
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Is that still true? Most runner PCs i've seen, like 80%+ are have sins and use a fake one to get by, with the gm just handwaving most of the surveillance state (Rule of thumb is, rating 4 gets you through normal life with no issues). A genuine barrens rat, born sinless, and working their way up, is a fairly rare concept IME; most sinless PCs tend to be prototype transhuman vatbabies* that fell off the back of a truck. *The corps seem to have perfected how to manufacture magic people because goddamn are there a bunch of PT awakened out there. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Oct 21, 2019 |
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Oct 21, 2019 16:55
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Yeah, its hard to overstate how much the UCAS is a hollow shell of the U.S.'s ability to project power. Its one of the reasons punk themes died in 4th was because it was really hard to imagine people hiding in the cracks of society from omnipresent law enforcement. Basically in shadowrun, I go with the rule of thumb that if more than one or two months have passed, and you didn't commit a massacre, no one is gonna look for you. Unless an atrocity is involved, a modern-style police investigation that take months/years before nabbing you at random later just don't happen to runners.
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Oct 21, 2019 17:38
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Yes, also the "you can't actually change anything, just minor local details" is really grating in the current zeitgeist.
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Oct 21, 2019 19:00
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Aren't humans in Spire the tinker gnome/tech bro equivalents who have a great sales pitch and end up causing incredible catastrophe?
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Nov 18, 2019 17:57
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"These fists sink ships"
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Nov 19, 2019 01:26
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I see they don't go for the budget option real world cryogenics do and just save the brain/head for dropping into a future super body.
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Nov 21, 2019 12:53
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If Techbroism is any indicator, massive hubris leads to thinking worse stuff is actually better stuff because  .I guess what I'm saying is we need the humans in Spire to do a repeat of the subway fiasco but convincing the Aelfir to cut their own heads off because it'll be really cool and we swear this body swapping ploy will all work.
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Nov 21, 2019 14:57
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I really really like the idea behind Comrades, and I wish that Spire had room for both non-ministry groups and for outsiders and for something like The Professional. I think its one of the things the humans could fit in best is some kind of internationalist professional revolutionary.
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Nov 23, 2019 22:45
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What no-sells me, unless the GM was willing to hand waive it, was the thril-kill stupidity of the jumping in requirements for the ministry. I think it'd be a lot better if the new person had to do any two of those things. Spies are not the same as jason vorhees except with pointy ears and the horny teens are imperialists.
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Nov 23, 2019 23:33
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Ithle01 posted:
Empires alienating their enforcer caste is one of the historical reasons empires fall, or at least change ownership rapidly.
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Nov 24, 2019 00:00
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Re: Spire, is this how that one Inksmith ability works? https://twitter.com/gapingmaws/status/1123408588456640513
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Nov 26, 2019 02:16
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I guess the final step would someone IC with authorial backing declare Good to not be good and to be a good person many times you need to destroy the Good Guys along with the Bad Guys.
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Dec 15, 2019 17:12
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It helps when you realize that in DnD Good and Evil are basically radiation that hijacks the behavior of sapient beings and not actual moral choices.
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Dec 15, 2019 17:21
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Is this actual intelligence or more "I'm stupid, faster!"
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Dec 15, 2019 21:58
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I still think the worse type is shadowrun, where well meaning white nerds try to challenge racism and end up making something that is somehow more racist than the source material.
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Dec 16, 2019 01:50
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I'm going to take a guess that they might mean the intelligence penalties Orks and Trolls suffer from in SR. Which, when these are human beings with a mutation based in a real-world-foundation setting, gets a lot more real than fantasy imaginary critters. Any one of these, but specifically orks going through puberty earlier and giving birth in "litters" And also the bits where First Peoples are actually magical woodland creatures. The elves getting a country of their own and going fash as hell is completely believable. my SR elf PC has repeatedly mentioned that an elf is doomed the second they start believing the hype about being an elf, and the effect is exponential the more elves are involved. This is just through 3rd ed, 4th and onward have just had some run of the mill stupid stuff that is neither interesting or remarkable, just annoying. Also I can't tell if I'm impressed or annoyed with the asspull that in the shadowrun 5th world, Tolkien got so much of the world right because he was accessing genetic memories of the 4th age and may have been a protomage but the mana levels were too low.
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Dec 16, 2019 08:49
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Night10194 posted:You know Gygax's response to the 'classic' 'orc children' question was to use the quote 'nits make lice', right? Which is quoting a 19th century war criminal (someone the *US* acknowledged as a war criminal, who managed to outrage even 19th century America) and what he said when ordering the deaths of children at the Sand Creek Massacre? I now realize that the most authentic D&D novelization is probably Blood Meridian 
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Dec 16, 2019 22:16
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Wait, what's the local birds and bees equivalent, do modrons come from a source other than modrons? Because it was implied all the modrons were there, and if those get wiped, uh?
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Dec 18, 2019 22:51
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StratGoatCom posted:Okay, techical bullshit aside, let us begin. Nice. Do you have a post written up elsewhere with your thoughts on the uh, "transhuman" stuff IRL? All I know if the funnier stuff like the robot devil and and THE BIG YUD  and the general "You can be anything you want so long as it doesn't violate gendernorms circa 1955 in a white american suburb" tone of it.
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Dec 21, 2019 07:03
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Young Freud posted:Oh hell, is this something topical? 'Cuz, along with J.K. Rowling, Richard Morgan of "Altered Carbon" fame (and basically the uncredited writer of Eclipse Phase, since a lot of the game's concepts came from his novel series) outed himself as a transphobe, claiming to be a "bio-materialist" or some poo poo. Can't find the original post, but some goon put it best: quote:Conservatives/reactionaries are hilarious when it comes to this stuff, because it's the absolute embodiment of their contradictory desires to transcend mere humanity and become a Master race but also their desire than everything be like the 50s again
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Dec 22, 2019 07:06
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Also that award that used his head as a bust was creepy as hell.
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Dec 23, 2019 05:27
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StratGoatCom posted:
Huh, what?
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Dec 23, 2019 21:32
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Oh my. The transhuman theme song thing reminds me that the original FATAL had one as well. I can't find it, but I remember it being described as "Cookie monster getting tangled in a drum set and falling down the stairs" EDIT: FOUND IT (NSFW obv)
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Dec 27, 2019 09:58
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StratGoatCom posted:I can see the thought process - it's easier to get away with that if you can respawn. I like the gatecrashing/colonization system, and enjoy it not happening in a regular Traveller/age of sail in space/etc setting. I realize I'm saying the best way to interact with the setting is to limit your contact with it, but still.
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Dec 28, 2019 06:12
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LatwPIAT posted:Hey now, to be fair, 40k can't even do the satirical elements of 40k, it's only reasonable that anyone trying to copy 40k will fail in the exact same way. God I wish that were true, way too many fans just overplay the "If you're not a terrible fascist at literally all times, demons pop out of nowhere and skullfuck you, regardless of context" poo poo, and any excess fascism is out of an abundance of caution because the only things that can counter spiky spookydoom is hate and unthinking obedience.
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Apr 3, 2021 18:06
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Cythereal posted:Come to think of it, I suppose part of the grog backlash against Blue Rose and the genre of fantasy it represents is that Romantic Fantasy, in general, is very cognizant of being fantasy. The world wouldn't work like that, of course not. The point here is to imagine a world where it does. Where you can make that kind of difference with a magical singing voice, and where you're accepted and lauded for who you are. It's not about hard facts or logic, or "If you think about it rationally..." Its more the certain type of nerd that heard the phrase "sufficiently advanced technology" and wants to turn all magic, everywhere, into industrialized engineering using game theory on the rules of reality, with a technocratic mindset pushing aside frivolous "emotional" thoughts in favor of "logical" ones. Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Apr 9, 2021 |
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Apr 9, 2021 19:51
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wiegieman posted:I can almost guarantee I had more fun reading 40k books (the good ones, not the bad ones) last month while I was supposed to be working than the people reading Art books, and let me tell you, those are the very yardstick for genre trash. You see, a 40k book guarantees something exciting will happen even if its dumb as poo poo. This tends to put it ahead of the stuff about english professors contemplating affairs while grilling a single portabello mushroom.
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Apr 10, 2021 03:32
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Joe Slowboat posted:
My genre of run on sentences about people being smeared across the old west like Doom textures.
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Apr 10, 2021 20:14
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The poo vs the poon
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