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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


The new Joe Abercrombie book whips rear end and hates capital

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

On the blood-soaked borders of Angland, Leo dan Brock struggles to win fame on the battlefield, and defeat the marauding armies of Stour Nightfall. He hopes for help from the crown. But King Jezal's son, the feckless Prince Orso, is a man who specializes in disappointments.

the jacket copy is fuckin terrible at selling what this book is really about, which is two failsons struggling to live up to the legacies of their fathers and the poor rising up against capital*

theres a three chapter stretch that is just rotating POVs of different people in this city where the workers are dragging the rich out of their homes and hanging them and its fuckin rad

he even manages to go "killing the rich is fun but wont actually solve anything long term" and also humanizes the rich just enough to make them caricatures without being a both sides dickhead or making you think that their outrage, while maybe not directed in the best way, is anything less than justified

*capital is explicitly the ultimate enemy in these books as the character who puppets a lot of whats going on does so largely by means of owning the world's largest bank

also its mostly about the capital bit, the two failsons have been in like six chapters total and im halfway through the book

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


oh definitely but angland is very much supposed to be the british empire in every sense, along with its marginally more cleverly named neighbors

like its a horrible expansionist empire with a bullshit monarchy propped up by capital who semi-arbitrarily decided who it would be

im wwaiting for hiis next trilogy too be about thatcherr

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

angland is the first colony established by flatland

The weird troglodyte monstermen in the northern Scottish/viking country are called flatheads

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Terror Sweat posted:

It's cool how in the first trilogy bayaz was a corrupt evil wizard exerting power over others through magic, and now he's a banker doing the same thing but with capital. He even wears a suit instead of wizard robes now lmao

He was doing the bank thing in the first trilogy too

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Sounds like it's carrying on the venerable English tradition of being socialist but still racist.

There's regular northeners those are explicitly the creation of an evil wizard

Angland is definitely super racist against the not Africans tho

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

.

the boys was ennis trying to out-ennis himself after preacher,

It wasn't tho

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


"after preacher" like he didn't have a decade of comics in between including the two best punisher comics ever written, one of which is arguably the best comic of the century so far and inarguably best of the aughts

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


The second one is hitman for the record

Also people getting mad about Ennis being edgy and then jacking off to Warren "superhero comics are for dumb babies not like my cool adult comic about hunter s Thompson making people poo poo their pants" Ellis is the most baffling thing

gently caress like, half of planetary

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


StashAugustine posted:

I just realized I had Ennis and Ellis mixed up

Dickeye need your opinion on from hell because I heard it mentioned recently and jack the ripper was a freemason working for the Victorian British sounds just crazy enough for me

I have never read it because Alan Moore is a dude I appreciate and respect but also I don't enjoy most of his books on an emotional level

Like, for me they're like the difference between the blueprints for a house and pictures of a house once it's been lived in

One is very technically impressive, you can tell the person doing it has a lot of skill, but there's no real emotion to it. It's almost clinical and cold. The other doesn't take as much skill but feels more human

Also you realize after your fifth blueprint they all have a room labeled RAPE

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Dr. Killjoy posted:

best Ellis was the guy who upon gaining superpowers loses his dick and later murders one of his teammates by ripping out his spine and then ceremoniously implanting it in his pelvis as his dick

that's the top tier skill that grants you tv writing gigs

Oh gently caress I know what this ones called gimme a minute

It's one of his awful avatar books like black summer

Edit no hero

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

not the same as the comic where peter parker bemoans accidentally assassinating his wife w carcinogenic cum spiders

I wish that part wasn't there because DKR: SpiderMan edition is a really good book

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Like I really like the idea of "what if the guilt became too much and Peter shirked his responsibility" because guilt is absolutely something that has hosed Peter up for years so it works better for him than "Jason Todd died and Batman quit because he was sad for the first time" and I ADORE that Jonah is the one who goes to him and says "we need Spider-Man" and the first scene in the mask, when he's doing jokes and beating guys up in his undies, and he says something about "it's not me, I'm somewhere else. The mask is talking now", is such a good inversion of the whole "Batman is the real Bruce Wayne" thing

But

His jizz

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


22 Eargesplitten posted:

For a character that really should be the dumbest most gross jingoistic thing ever they do a lot of stories of him going rogue against USA fashyness.

Guess it's because he was designed to be what people wanted to believe the USA was instead of what it is :v:

Mark Waid did a story in the early 00s where skrulls kidnap and impersonate cap to start a race war and after beating the poo poo out of skrulls on live TV he just yells at America for being shitheads who would turn on each other so quickly the second an authority figure said "hey so, there's Undesirables hiding among you"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


But yeah caps whole thing is he represents what America is supposed to be, and he truly believes in that ideal deep down, and that's why after definitely not Nixon blew his brains out following not Watergate he quit being cap for a while

Also all the other times

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Cap in that book is exactly what you'd expect cap to be though

Ultimates is trash but "what if cap woke up in 2000 with all his 50s ideas and his oorah jingoism" is fine

The France line is the exception because cap would have known about the resistance!!!!!

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


mandatory lesbian posted:

I feel like every cap America incarnation has at least one part where he goes against America and all I can say is that it is incredibly appropriate that america's avatar so frequently opposes it

Captain America would support Bernie

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

when cap got froze, trade unions were strong, the new deal had been rammed thru, and socialist and communist parties were visible in american politics

I mostly meant him being a racist sexist jingoist psycho

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:


also i haven't read a captain america comic since the end of the civil war run, but have they recreated his iconic punching hitler scene with him punching an alt-right pepe or are the writers aware enough of where their bread gets buttered that they won't cross that line

Funny story comics actually sell really well to people who aren't chuds just not via comic shops

Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur and Unbeatable Squirrel Girl both have TP sales out of proportion to their single issue sales

Because Barnes and Noble and Scholastic book fairs don't sell singles, but they sell trades

Also Mark Russell has made a career if writing wildly leftist propaganda that nobody notices because he only works on licensed books lmao

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


His first arc of wonder twins ended with them stopping the villain from forcing the world's leaders to fix global warming/hunger/poverty/etc under threat of swapping everyone's minds so they would wake up as poor people and lose all their power

And going oh gently caress all we did was help the people who profit off the world being poo poo

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

the abnett/lanning era nova always felt to me like a one-man neocon interventionist mil force, that went entirely unscrutinized

just my thoughts

Dan Abnetts Magnum opus of Dredd related stuff is about Marshalls (space deputy judges) on a mining station orchestrating a slave rebellion against the city and he is decidedly pro murdering the fascists, in that and also everything else he's done at 2k that I've read

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Some Guy TT posted:

captain america played as an actual ultra patriotic guy from the forties would own because half of him would be him pissing everyone off with retrogade assumptions and the other half would be him looking at everyone else in horror because we run a profit military that he would almost certainly recognize as essentially fascist

noone will ever write a version like that because captain america exists as a vehicle for liberal writers to wank about how theyre the real patriots theyd rather write weird bullshit about him being enrolled in a gay nazi boarding school than have him be racist against italians

i think they did a story once where he was portrayed as being naive for not realizing that twins gently caress each other all the time in the 21st century but thats uh not really a very good example of antiquated prejudice

This is literally ultimates captain america

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

do boomers even buy comics in significant quantities any more? i can't believe they're a big enough demo that you'd have any financial benefit for continuing to parrot their gently caress-up fantasy beliefs and talking points in modern comics

How deep does anyone want me to go

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747




Captain America is only baffled by the violence done by soldiers when white children are in danger

Two issues in and I'm stroking out

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Bro Dad posted:

it is some prime succ lib



This immediately follows cap talking to a broke redneck about how Hydra made things better by fixing people's problems

It's literally him being mad that we can't Return To Norms and besting the poo poo out of the people who pretend to offer a solution instead of the people who actually caused everything to suck

An actually good story would be cap as golden age Superman beating up landlords and small business tyrants and tying Jeff bezos to the back of a truck and freeing the workers from the fulfillment center

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Posting my own tweet because its more pictures than I want to upload via the app on mobile and still get them in the right order

https://twitter.com/KamenRiderUno/status/1179938012400148481?s=19

The two text pages are from punisher Max

I'm tapping out, this is absolutely sickening.

Your options are
A) TNC is ignorant of American history
B) he thinks Cap is ignorant of American history, particularly the history of our military
C) he's willfully blinding himself to the reality of our military (it's this one but humor me)
D) it's a long con about how cap only cares now that it's white people

D would be interesting in the wake of secret Empire, to have cap forced to confront his own prejudices and his role int he system, but lol

A-C are all awful as gently caress in unique ways

A good version of this book would be cap, in the wake of Nazis taking over, realizing that the system that creates the conditions where Nazis taking over is something people are okay with because it provides stability is a system that is deeply flawed and should be destroyed, and renouncing the state again, and becoming a folk hero in the vein of early Superman. Beating up politicians and lovely bosses, standing up for the little guy, agitating for a better world, and eventually sparking a revolution of his own

BENGHAZI 2 has issued a correction as of 02:17 on Oct 4, 2019

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Here's the thing about civil war: cap was right

Like at the start they did a good job of playing both sides as having good ideas but uh iron Man literally was disappearing political dissidents into a black site prison in the negative zone

Also lmbo at "it was legal" as an argument against morality like laws can't be inherently unjust and immoral let alone the implementation of those laws

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

is there a widely accepted term that's analogous to blaxploitation but for latinx people? because i feel like there should be

Mexploitation is the historical term

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


I mean the page itself is at least five years old, here's one from this year

One of the more famous cap stories is the one where he uncovers a conspiracy that isn't Watergate* that leads all the way to the white house and ends with the president who definitely isn't Nixon** blowing his brains out in the oval office

Cap knows we are diseased

Cap wanting to go back to the status quo instead of pushing for us to be better so that the midtakes of the past aren't repeated betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of either cap or reality

*Watergate
**Nixon

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Also the registration act was more than inconvenient and the guy who punched Hitler being wary about making lists of people is hardly something to slam him for

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


It just got revealed that General Thunderbolt Ross got installed in a position of power by Natasha Badski to get revenge on someone for her husband's death pre civil war

This comic is literally not a joke russiagate and I want to die

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Is her husband named Boris Badanof?

No I don't even know her name

Her husband is the guy from Brubakers run that shared a body with the red skull for a while

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Freaking Crumbum posted:

jesus god in heaven that's a poo poo-ton of internal monologuing going on here. there's got to be a more effective way for the writer to convey what he wants cap to say without piling up text boxes all over unrelated action scenes. give me three uninterrupted action shots and then "i really like beer" on the fourth any day of the week

Coates is incredibly bad at comics, not just his politics but the actual craft

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


I wish I knew what cap run that was from so I could declare a blood feud on the author

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Bro Dad posted:

still the TNC run, i think issue 11

Unironically surprised because it's cap in his director of shield outfit in that other page

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747



That book is actually really good tho

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Like that scene isn't great but immortal hulk is the best book marvel has right now by a mile

The next issue is about how hulk survives to the end of the universe and becomes the next Galactus

Also the whole book is about how hulk is basically the Antichrist for a hell dimension that touches the world vis gamma rays and there's this whole Kabbalah thing going on and it's just great

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

body horror Hulk has been the best take on Hulk yet

I'm really glad it's doing well, too, Ewing is a guy Ive been introduced to once or twice by a mutual friend and he's a good dude and a fantastic writer

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Squizzle posted:

i mean everyone has to start somewhere and almost every writer who comes to comics from a purely textual medium has to get comfortable w letting the art carry msg and not covering it w words

im just saying, the exact weaknesses of this writer on these comics at this pt in his career were completely foreseeäble

Here's the thing: he's been on black panther for four years

He's had time

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BENGHAZI 2
Oct 12, 2007

by Cyrano4747


Bro Dad posted:

Reminder that marvels editor-in-chief revealed on his first day on the job that he pretended to be a japanese man for two years

To expand he was literally a diversity hire as Akira Yoshida and asked a Japanese friend to help him fake it

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