[Pop Culture] the theatrical cut removes the scene that sets up the orc race war

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Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Over Easy posted:

that picard show is going to suck massively

we all know the problems with discovery intimately and the picard show will be that with picard sticking out of the side

Today I fell down a rabbit hole of reactionary nerd media youtube channels, because part of me hates myself and is addicted to rage. They all think that Picard is going to suck because Patrick Stewart is a socialist who wants to stay in the EU and because "woke" media is too preachy and continuity errors.

I think Picard will likely suck for the same reasons you do, but I can't find any youtube channels that agree with me. I don't have any wider point except that this is depressing.

# ¿ Jan 15, 2020 01:56

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 15:24

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Taintrunner posted:

woke media is too preachy though

also the Discovery continuity errors are loving hilarious

Star Trek is supposed to be preachy though, like that time they unfroze an 80's banker and told him his whole reason for living was bullshit or the time they had Mark Twain onboard and told him they aren't imperialist monsters in the future or that DS9 two parter everyone shares memes about now because it's about to become true

They need to do the modern equivalent of that to actually be relevant but they won't cause the people making it are too rich and too scared of all the chud fans in the comments sections not ragebuying their product. Instead they're like "but we added gay people now, please clap" about 20 years after that would have been a thing worth congratulating by itself and wondering why their show isn't a cultural juggernaut

Some Guy TT posted:

are these continuity errors with other star treks or continuity errors within itself

I only stuck around until a few episodes into the second season but IIRC the show's not terribly coherent with itself. As the kind of nerd that owns multiple editions of the Star Trek encyclopedia I am burned out on ~*references*~ and don't really care if the stardates don't match anymore or whatever

# ¿ Jan 15, 2020 11:29

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THS posted:

i didnt even care about the spore drive or mirror universe stuff. whatever, it’s sci fi, it can be schlock. i was more shocked about stuff like things not happening in sequential order or with any consistency within the same episodes. it’s like 3 different writers worked on each episode, weren’t allowed to talk to eachother, and then no one bothered to edit the script before they started shooting

the quality gap between std and the expanse, which while rushed at times, at least made sense, was really incredible

I think the most hilarious part is how they try to sell this show as being meaningful and poignant and relevant based off of Star Trek's previous reputation, and at best it's a disjointed offensive mess that stands for nothing. And since the fans screaming the loudest about how bad it is are right-wing reactionary dipshits what are the odds will get better? I hope what they're complaining about is true and P-Stew wants his show to be a kind of rebuttal to that horseshit but I'm not dumb enough to expect that.

Like modern Star Trek is so shity it comes off like it's been written by Hillary Clinton staffers or something, every other contemporary space show runs circles around this poo poo

# ¿ Jan 16, 2020 18:57

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Remember that time that Rom formed a union and this was the whole plot of the episode

Remember that time they went to the year 2024 and everything has gone tits-up and they had to fight the cops to put the future back

Or that time that Sisko had a flashback to the 50s and then a mental breakdown because it was so loving racist

I didn't think the first episode of Picard was that bad but I feel like there are other ways to tell relevant stories then repeatedly telling us the Federation loses its loving mind

# ¿ Jan 28, 2020 18:01

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

That Picard gives a poo poo about his former crew is probably the easiest thing to buy about the show so far I don't understand what the problem is

# ¿ Jan 30, 2020 12:12

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

It loving kills me how many nerds are just straight up nazis

like how do you grow up watching and being so into Star Trek that you memorize all kinds of dumb poo poo like how the warp core works but ignore all the "in the future we don't use money or do racism anymore"

It's one thing when the people making it do that because they're clueless wealthy assholes and it's expected from them, but the people whose only responsibility was to sit their and absorb the stories, what the gently caress?

I know you're not supposed to like be affected by this poo poo but to me it's maddening sorry for venting

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:09

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purple beard guy seemed pretty alright, I like Renegade Cut's videos even if I don't 100% agree with him all the time (lol he liked Ad Astra lmao)

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 02:40

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StratGoatCom posted:

Given the ideological leanings of trek, I am increasingly beginning to wonder if it's being deliberately mismanaged by the suits.

Whether it is deliberate or just a consequence of capitalism that any media that is even slightly subversive to the status quo eventually gets that quality whittled out of it in the name of profit is immaterial since the result is the same

Something something the cancellation of the future something something complete

# ¿ Jul 30, 2020 19:53

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Voyager had about a dozen or so really good episodes and another season's worth that were just mostly okay, but the show ran for 7 years and when you think about it that is at best a lot of filler and without the excuse that the show started in the late 80s and it's creator had fried his brain through decades of substance abuse

# ¿ Aug 19, 2020 20:05

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Breakfast All Day posted:

theres like 100 star trek threads on the forums so i dont wanna derail, but i think there is a cspam thread to tug at in this

i think this is the issue: the writers never committed to an ethical stance on voyager's dilemma, because the point of voyager's dilemma was not to have an overarching ethical context but to avoid one. janeway, or really the story's narrative perspective, is sometimes a starfleet-chauvanist fascist who would condemn whole worlds in order to keep her crew on their course home, and other times nuanced to the point of endangering the crew's existence over a minor but sticky ethical conundrum. this is of course an inherent tension in the show's premise that would be interesting to explore, but the show never takes a perspective on it, it just jumps characters between inconsistent stances that are useful for creating conflict in that week's plot.

and the show never takes a perspective on it because the point of voyager was to get away from the built world from late tng and ethical deconstruction of it from ds9. this is both because this analysis somewhat deflated monster of the week plots, and because ds9 and what it was saying was not popular with a lot of the viewership.

and this is why it's cspam: the politics of the different series, and the politics of their fanbases, interact in surprising ways. pre-discovery, voyager is the most neoliberal show: it has the most demographically diverse cast and other isolated socially progressive elements of the franchise, but since its point is to sidestep the questions of empire and normative identity ds9 is raising, it creates an artificial scenario so the powerful protagonists are the underdog and inherently free of most consequences of their actions (because the ship is always moving on). and of course, since it's neoliberal, it immediately accidentally steps into fascism because attempting to ignore the consequences of empire and interference via the perpetual isolation gambit creates the imperiled identity that fascism thrives in (not to mention the frontier).

which may be related to why it's the most popular series with chuds in my experience. they really hated ds9 -- because sisko, because ethical quandaries that dont get technobabbled away at the end, because aliens who don't fall in step with the federation, because "soap opera" meaning the show listens and explores and responds to its characters' experience of the world. voyager had freedom from much of that as laid out above, so they could have more tng episodic sausage, but also has a bizarre conservative feeling to it compared to tng, especially early tng. despite the whole point of the premise being to allow exploration and weird plots again, the world does not feel as strange as early tng, and certainly not as sexual and sexually liberated. there is sexuality and male gaze, and tng's sexuality shared a lot of the problems of tos' 60's free-love-for-privileged-straight-white-dudes, but, well, this is probably an entirely separate discussion

more relevant to this discussion is that enterprise is the chud show to voyager's neoliberal one, again both as an attempt to further get away from the ethical baggage of the built universe, as a return to an imagined better and frontier past, and very much a reaction to late 90s conservative swing leading up to bush, and of course space 9/11. the crew, the characters, the production, the plots are all far more conservative than voyager. yet it's not any fanbase's favorite, and that's because despite being the conservative perspective show, or rather in virtue of that, it gets into a conservative-perspective conflict and has to center its ethical dilemmas in that setting and examine them and have their consequences stick, however superficially, which conservatives don't want to do. hence voyager staying the chud favored show, because of the implicitness of its conservatism

If you made more Star Trek posts like this one I would happily read them

# ¿ Aug 20, 2020 19:32

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Egg Moron posted:

I watched a lot of discovery channel in the mid 90s and there was a show called movie magic or some poo poo that detailed a lot of effects for movies and the science behind them

there were great episodes on alien resurrection, con air, independence day and starship troopers

Yeah I used to watch the same poo poo when I was a kid it was great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TamqltQhw60

# ¿ Sep 12, 2020 09:09

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

"remember when" is the lowest form of conversation

# ¿ Oct 30, 2020 17:51

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Babylon 5 was low budget but generally very very good and certainly more relevant now than anything Star Trek has produced in over a decade

# ¿ Oct 30, 2020 20:29

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

James Cameron literally has an underwater fetish and the entire project is just to make more material for his personal spank stash.

# ¿ Dec 9, 2020 22:57

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StashAugustine posted:

Still going through DS9 and the best thing about the union episode is that even in the far future of Trek, Quark still doesn't have the technology to reliably automate food service

Actually the best part is how Worf crossed the picket line and chief O'Brien got them both thrown in the brig for literally fighting him about it during the commercial break

# ¿ Dec 10, 2020 22:50

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Master and Commander was the best Star Trek movie

# ¿ Jan 17, 2021 11:50

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vyelkin posted:

This is pretty much how I felt. A cool hard sci-fi universe where capitalism is ruining space the same way it ruined everything else, but then that universe is just window dressing for the most boring story imaginable about the most boring man imaginable exploring his daddy issues.

Like, literally, Brad Pitt's character's defining character trait is that he doesn't show emotions.

Sci-Fi movies like this one that utterly piss away a compelling premise or world on nothing burger characters or stories infuriate me. That movie could have been so good but instead it was about the aforementioned most boring man in the universe and his quest to stop his Boomer dad from going nuts and blowing everything up for some reason.

# ¿ Feb 4, 2021 20:47

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

And the fact that Star Trek will no longer go there is part of the reason why the modern stuff rings so loving hollow

# ¿ Feb 21, 2021 21:27

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Like don't get me wrong the shows were always made by well off white dudes so that progressive streak was never very deep but it did go a little harder than "well we let the queers onto our show now" so they can join in on the war crimes

It's been going this way for a long time now it's just finally come to a head

# ¿ Feb 21, 2021 21:36

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Wheeee posted:

The series all take place almost entirely within the confines of a strictly hierarchical and authoritarian leadership structure modeled after modern military organization

There's nothing revolutionary about star trek, the original series' treatment of racial issues aside. Trek has never been about fleshing out the reality or details of the federation and their accomplishments, or the work it took to achieve them. It's an abstracted liberal utopia spoken about with vague allusions and recitation of their official mythology

yeah but like there's only so much you can do in syndication you know

# ¿ Feb 22, 2021 01:21

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In one of those movies Optimus rips a guy's face off and Megatron slinks away muttering "this is no Prime"

They are absolutely insane

# ¿ Feb 27, 2021 19:00

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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

What's wrong with Interstellar? I thought it was a cool movie.

I liked it too but it breaks down almost completely if you think about it at all

I mean where does Matthew McConaughey go at the end of the movie, the wormhole is gone he has no FTL and no way of knowing where Catwoman is. He just flew off into space to go die I guess.

Still made more sense than Ad Astra

# ¿ Mar 2, 2021 21:30

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indigi posted:

it really wasn’t, 45 cool seconds vs 50 minutes of the same scene over and over again isn’t a good trade off

Yeah I thought it really dragged to, I really like the expanse but the last two seasons felt like a lot of build up to pay off that doesn't come. I kind of feel like Alex was supposed to have more of a story arc last season that got cut because his actor was a horrible rear end in a top hat IRL and that may have contributed to the stunted pacing this past season.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2021 22:48

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Compromise: full series of Our Man Bashir

MGM will sue them or threaten to sue them if they try that again

# ¿ Apr 7, 2021 18:22

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Modern Star Trek and hell even the classic stuff for the most part is mostly liberal trash and still the conservative fans still poo poo the bed about it

# ¿ Apr 8, 2021 18:09

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World War Mammories posted:

but whether it's bad is independent of whether there are queer space socialists in it (because, of course, star trek has always had queer space socialists)

I don't think the new stuff is particularly leftist they just acknowledge that queer people exist now, although for real I punched out a few episodes into Disco season 2 and after Picard I'm not looking back

# ¿ Apr 9, 2021 00:37

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

Didn't early Superman serials depict him knocking over slums to force the government to build affordable housing?

# ¿ Apr 15, 2021 22:05

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Thor Ragnarok was cool because it looked like the kind of airbrushed fantasy painting you'd see on the side of a chevy astro in the 80s, you know the ones where there's like an amazonian warrior lady wearing impractical armour carrying a flaming sword while she rides a pegasus into battle with a dragon in a nebula

# ¿ May 28, 2021 00:02

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

I've had multiple conversations with co workers about how the lifestyle depicted in Married with Children is now considered both desirable and unattainable

# ¿ Aug 5, 2021 08:40

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

It's funny how mass media has changed to the point where they can actually sell a mindlessly self-referential piece of fan service like that show to people successfully now

Like it used to be fans complained that they were trying to make Star Trek too much for an audience that wasn't interested, but now they're pumping out these dumb projects at the kind of people that are still paying cash money to play Star Trek online because they are the only ones willing to consistently shell out for new material

# ¿ Aug 21, 2021 19:49

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Some Guy TT posted:

oh no not my faves like uhhh all the new star trek shows? eh no big loss

Don't get your hopes up, there will always be enough nerds to sustain some kind of Star Trek franchise no matter how bad it gets. Any property that lasts long enough for multiple generations to grow up with it will be very difficult to kill.

# ¿ Sep 13, 2021 20:03

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Some Guy TT posted:

so its very convenient he ended the series having been almost totally written out of the setting the real issue is that the people running the show consider next generation their unimpeachable ideal of what star trek should be

never mind the fact that aesthetically next generation had lots of stinkers structurally nearly all of the stories were totally self contained and stylistically were farther away from next generation now than next generation was from the original series

absolutely no one back then viewed the original series anywhere near as romantically as the showrunners today see next generation except possibly gene roddenberry and its not a coincidence that next generation improved dramatically as his involvement with it decreased

You are putting way too much thought into this. The people in charge of making Star Trek now are nearly universally a pack of rich failchildren and the stories they make are appropriately out of touch; so long as they consistently drop enough fanservice to keep the hardcore nerds generating buzz it doesn't matter if their stories do an incredibly bad job pretending to have something to say or even just at being funny.

The entire Star Trek brand is probably running similarly to the way the MMO is, sustained entirely by a relative handful of whales spending all the money leaving only the extremely online, a handful of contrarian YouTube essayists and right wing reactionaries even talking about it.

E: Norm died?!!? gently caress

# ¿ Sep 14, 2021 22:19

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It's because columbo catches wealthy criminals who consistently underestimate him because he looks like a schlubby lower class Italian immigrant

# ¿ Sep 29, 2021 22:24

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Judakel posted:

she has dune voice

# ¿ Oct 23, 2021 19:47

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Ay gabagool ova hee

# ¿ Dec 18, 2021 23:55

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They made all the new Spartans volunteers years ago because the whole child soldier thing was too much of a bad look for them hahaha lol

Halo's backstory is exactly the kind of thing I'd expect an affluent white dude to come up with as a history of the future in the late 90s, I loving love the multiplayer though

# ¿ Jan 31, 2022 21:05