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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Some Guy TT posted:

im assuming we all just want to yell about how our cartoons arent communist enough i dont think anyone really cares about spoilers

the new Dark Crystal series on Netflix could easily be read as Marxist allegory, but I don't think it's necessarily intentional the way, say, Little Witch Academia is.

The Dark Crystal show is good, folks. "Age of Resistance" is a bad title, but the show is good.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Farm Frenzy posted:

the era where hollywood adaptations of nerd poo poo were all made with a strong sense of embarassment and shame at the source material kicked rear end

actually the 90s sucked

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Serf posted:

i started watching the jack ryan series and one cool thing that's happening now is that the bad guys in poo poo like this are victims of the american empire, but must still be defeated anyways. like the villain saw most of his family get blown the gently caress up by us planes in 83 and i guess now he wants revenge? i'm supposed to not sympathize with him?

there's a scene in episode 2 where some cia higher-up is like "he's got the same motivation as the rest of them: death to the west, create a new caliphate" and like... that's not a motivation, that's a goal. and jim from the office just sits there dumbly and goes "i think... he's different..."

London Has Fallen is a deeply fascist movie where the main bad guy is an arms dealer, but also his whole family was wiped out by a US drone bombing his daughter's wedding. At the end he's taken out in Yemen, also by a drone bombing, and debris spews across a busy street full of people minding their own business. This is supposed to be the triumph of the movie.

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Jan 30, 2013

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Serf posted:

also jack ryan is the most mary sue rear end character ever. he's a former marine and lone survivor type who got out, became a doctor of computers or money or some poo poo, went to wall street but quit because he's too "moral" and then joined the loving cia. and despite being some goober who sits behind a computer and tracks financial transactions he's totally buff and will kick "terrorist" rear end. every time someone calls him "doctor ryan" i can't help but laugh

well yeah, he was written by Tom Clancy

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Jan 30, 2013

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vyelkin posted:

you forgot the best part, as the woman walks away with her children towards the camera with the rubble from the hellfire explosion in the background, she says quietly to her children (and the camera) "I told you God would protect us"

then later on the drone operator flies to Syria and hunts down the father of the innocent man he murdered and gives him all the casino winnings to make amends and the guy's father is fine with it and then the drone operator disappears from the show and is never seen again

his only connection to the entire rest of the plot is that one missile strike, and everything else is just dumb crap shoveled in to make us think that drone operators are good people doing a difficult job

Americans are a lost cause.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Tim Heidekker hasn't even made Dekker president

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Jan 30, 2013

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Serf posted:

i dunno what's worse, when movies/tv depict americans not torturing people because of course we would never be evil or when they depict americans torturing people but its actually good because hard men must make hard choices or this jack ryan poo poo where they hint at torture and saintly knight jack ryan doesn't torture, he gives the guy food and water

like they depict the actual on-screen interrogation as them just yelling at a guy for hours, but they nod towards the idea that guys in other cells are getting their poo poo wrecked. jim from the office looks at a nearby guard with an expression of deep concern over this

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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I'm sorry. Did you just say there's a war with JAPAN in the Clancyverse?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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If Charles Koch coup'd the US government and made us go to war with uh *throws dart* ... Canada. I'd probably go along with it too.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Some Guy TT posted:

the canadians thought we forgot about the war of 1812

fools

we were only lulling them into a false sense of security

The really impressive thing about the Clancyverse is its insane pre-9/11 idea that no matter what happens, America will just keep going back to normal. The Japanese could sabotage the stock market and blow up congress, but at the end of the day America just keeps going on like it always has.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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The post-9/11 mood was like an ambient bloodlust. We were ready to kill anyone.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Farm Frenzy posted:

lmao of course the best the CIA can get is office jim

The Office is insanely popular so they could've done a lot worse.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQhmAWyBkIs

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Yeah. Yes, Minister is Tory trash.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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The lead writer of Yes, Minister is a Tory, and a Zionist to boot. It was written under Thatcher's Britain at a time when conservatives still had enough sense to try and be clever & subtle, but it was definitely part of a project to make people distrustful of public servants in order to make privatization easier.

I'm not saying you can't enjoy it, but your political instincts aren't wrong.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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When I was in Middle School I started reading Tom Clancy books that were in my classroom's library and like every other war obsessed dork I thought he was great because of how much detail he'd go into describing weapons porn. Anyway I remember reading a Clancy book where the main plot thread was that there was a French Nazi conspiracy to make white people racist by producing racist video games. So it's funny that now we live in a world where Tom Clancy games are just fascist.

I can't find the title for it now, but I know it existed because Jack Ryan had a bit role in it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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The Sum of All Fears movie was accidentally accurate in that as soon as it seems like they're on top, the international right wing conspiracy starts backstabbing each other.

LGD posted:

was it one of the licensed novels written by other people? it sounds like some garbage from the Op-Center or Net Force series (wiki browsing suggests maybe Games of State?)

Yeah it's Games of State. I searched for 'video game' in Google Books, and the French Nazi game developer is Gerard Dominique.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Grevling posted:

Hot take about Sorry to Bother you: it was good, but I was a bit disappointed after all the hype.

Sorry to Bother You was overhyped because explicitly left wing movies never get made or screened, but it still stands up on its own merits. I still think the scene where all the commodities in his apartment literally transform into luxury versions as a practical effect is one of the best scenes in recent years.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Marvel-Clancy Universe

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Press X to KISS WIFE

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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I guess it's only cspammy in atmosphere, but I can't stop watching Dark on Netflix. Maybe the best bit of cosmic horror ever made for any visual media. True Detective season 1 only speculated on the concept of infinite recursion, but Dark makes it explicit.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Gareth Gobulcoque posted:

I watched both seasons a couple months ago and was mentally hootin' and a hollerin' the whole time.

Every episode is intense. I love it. They're gonna start shooting the third season in December.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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KomradeX posted:

Oh my God yes, the OWS are terrorists game that they planned. Good thing Ubisoft doesn't make political loving games!

God I tender how disgusted I was when this was announced.

Setting all the political stuff aside, absolutely nothing about the scenario in that demo makes a single bit of loving sense. Why is Rainbow Six waiting for terrorists from the top of the Brooklyn Bridge? Why are terrorists fighting on the bridge when their goal is Times Square? They could've just driven there. There's no sane reason that there would be a shootout on the bridge, except as a weak excuse for a video game setpiece. If Manhattan was already in chaos, there wouldn't be tons of people on that bridge trying to get in and causing the traffic jam.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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I mostly quit playing Call of Duty after the original Modern Warfare. I love how the plot in Black Ops 2 involves a globe spanning conspiracy by a Nicaraguan drug lord to form a private army to destroy the United States. And it reaches all the way to the Mujahideen?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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All of our enemies secretly being in cahoots with each other is the only possible way to make it look like America is threatened geopolitically.


Some Guy TT posted:

like look at korea thats a relatively benign case where american soldiers are just sort of inexplicably there and not actually killing anybody but in the aggressive lack of any actual reason for them to be there even trump gets moments where he wonders why korean military bases are even a thing

so to take the onus off of that pop culture and the intelligence services have teamed up to create a bizarre nonsensical fantasy version of north korea where commonly held knowledge frequently contradicts other bits of commonly held knowledge and the only way to maintain suspension of disbelief about how our leaders claim north korean culture works is to just avoid thinking about it

yeah im still salty about how a dumb racist stoner movie somehow became obamas grand stand for distracting everyone from how lovely the sonyleaks made hollywood look freedom and democracy on the korean peninsula what of it

The north koreans were a hair's breadth away from reunifying the peninsula, and then we stepped in and just destroyed their whole country. Half of South Korea too for good measure. Then we sat on South Korea and never left. Anybody would go insane after that. The sheer scale of American atrocity was enough to make McCarthur vomit, and there's never been any reconciliation for it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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KomradeX posted:

Didn't MacArthur want to just go full hog wild war atrocities and start nuking China to "liberate it" from Communism since, well we're at the border anyway

it’s one thing to have an abstract idea of nuking China, and another thing to actually see the kind of absolute deprivation people were reduced to by the US firebombing campaign on Korea.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Woody Harrelson was good though

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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KomradeX posted:

I wouldn't mind a source on this

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/21/we-burned-down-every-town-in-north-korea/

how about his own testimony to congress?

quote:

After Truman fired Gen. MacArthur in May 1951, the former supreme commander testified to Congress, “The war in Korea has already almost destroyed that nation of 20 million people. I have never seen such devastation. I have seen, I guess, as much blood and disaster as any living man, and it just curdled my stomach, the last time I was there. After I looked at that wreckage and those thousands of women and children … I vomited.”

McCarthur disputed that he recommended using nukes on China, but he did secretly promise allied governments that he'd carry the war into Communist China to try and take out Mao's government. That's why he was sacked by Truman.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Goebbels also got nauseous watching the execution of Jews. you shouldn’t assume that mass murderers lack “humanity,” because they’ve got plenty of it. the state of humanity is a neutral value.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Toby Ziegler is how libs imagine Rahm Emanuel is like. In real life Toby Ziegler would help the police cover up a murder.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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It's way too late to pretend you don't have a liberal bias after Mueller Christmas.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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I was informed recently that David S. Goyer, the writer of The Dark Knight Rises, also wrote Call of Duty: Black Ops 1 & 2.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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The only good superhero movies ARE the mindless wastes of time, like Guardians or Thor: Ragnarok. the cosmic setting is a big sandbox where they can just go hog wild with the action adventure, but as soon as the setting gets dragged back down to Earth everything gets bogged down in sentimental maudlin. Even when Avengers practically endorses universal eugenicide, it only rejects it in terms of narrative because Earth people humans will die like you or me. That's bad.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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I watched The Princess & The Frog on Netflix recently because I'd never seen it before and it's really some poo poo. Doing a story set in New Orleans during the 1930s while subsuming all hints of racial animus is peak Disney whitewashing. The closest it gets to acknowledging the historical reality is when the realtors tell Tiana that she lost the bid on the lot for her dream restaurant because of her "background." You could assume that's because she's black, but narratively it reads that she's poor. If you're going to ignore all the racial politics of the South in the 20s while trying to tell a story about black people, then the only way to do it is if there aren't any whites.

That's before we even get to the blatant class war. Doctor Facilier is only a bad guy because he resents rich people and wants to be rich himself. Same for Prince Naveen's fat English butler, who resents being treated like a slave his whole life and wants to turn the tables. Meanwhile Big Daddy, the white land baron of New Orleans is one of the good guys. Also, in my brain I knew I should hate Big Daddy for being a capitalist, but I had to like him because he was voiced by John Goodman. A dirty trick, imo.

On top of all of that it uncritically reconstructs the domestic ideology of pre-2000s Disney films. Tiana's dream of honoring her dead WW1 vet father by realizing his restaurant is treated as delusional. What she really needs is a loving relationship with a good man. So it's real convenient that in the end she gets to have both based on the mere technicality that when she frog marries Naveen she legally becomes a princess. So the movie undermines the ambitions of its own protagonist and its central theme at the same time by insisting you should be able to have both - even if you didn't really want it before. What a loving mess.

Still some of the music is good, and it's visually one of the most interesting Disney movies. I wouldn't recommend showing it to your kids or a niece/nephew unless you're willing to contextualize it for them at some point. It's just some dumb Disney bullshit. This was supposed to be Disney's send up for black girls and it still managed to be one of the most problematic films they've ever made, circa 2009.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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It's way easier to adapt a pre-existing popular property than to try and come up with something original yourself. I mean that in the purely commercial, profit-driven sense. It's not as if there's a dearth of creativity in Hollywood from writers or directors, it's just that Hollywood capitalists are so risk-averse they aren't willing to bet on anything that isn't already a franchise. Comic books have literally decades of material that can be mined, and tens of millions of people around the world who are primed to want to see it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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KomradeX posted:

Wait isn't Jacobite some fash adjacent anti-Jacobin?

Yes it is, lmao. Jacobite apparently has better film criticism than noted Something Awful poster Sam Kriss.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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iirc "capeshit" is an alt right pejorative for superhero movies, because they're all produced by Jews of course

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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KomradeX posted:

So where does the good part of their film criticism come in?

I dunno I didn't read it lol

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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barfing up 4chan buzzwords in my "magazine of philosophy, cultural analysis, and politics."

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Jan 30, 2013

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an actual dog posted:

I was always curious about this movie but was never gonna watch it thank you for this. lmao at making a fictional benevolent monarchy in 1930s New Orleans

The plot is that Prince Naveen is coming to New Orleans to marry a rich woman. His family cut him off for being a playboy, and they'll only recognize his rights if he marries into a rich family. Why he'd go to New Orleans to marry some common bourgeois child instead of actual royalty is never dwelled on. Also, you'd think from looking at stills that Prince Naveen is maybe light skinned or mixed race, but really he's Italian.

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