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Serf posted:yeah except that movie depicted those things as bad. joker has marginalized citizens putting on clown masks and beating up the cops and killing the rich and it never really tries to make that look bad The movie is basically "Give the poor and the sick what they need or else they will rise up around the wrong charismatic populist figurehead" so I mostly liked it. There's incel stuff in there. The discourse around the latter would be bearable if more people were talking about the former, because ignoring the films thesis... proves it correct? But yes its also derivative of the obvious things, but of all of them it's most like Fight Club in that it will be loved and co-opted by chuds who aren't really thinking about it either, which is lame because nobody should have to think that hard about it.
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Serf posted:i read no incel themes in the movie. that seems largely engineered by media libs to distract from the obvious class war narrative that the movie creates. seemingly by accident, since todd phillips is a huge moron, but that's not surprising. most movies with interesting themes develop them unconsciously I dont know how deep into spoilers we can really get here, but what is real/not real and what we see/don't see regarding one character can easily be picked apart by nature of its vagueness. anywho: https://twitter.com/leslieleeiii/status/1178671999968776192 I am buying stock in the take linked above (even though the real answer is US, with honorable mention to DUMBO)
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cargo cult posted:the director has been doing the rounds whining about how the "far left' are censoring him so its safe to say that wasnt his intent lol His quote is “What’s outstanding to me in the discourse of this movie is how easily the far left can sound like the far right when it suits their agenda.” He's a horseshoe theory guy. There are a ton of class reductionists who wince at idpol. Boots Riley does it too. LOL not saying Todd is some anti-cap revolutionary - he's a chud - but there's nothing surprising about a guy who made a populist movie whining about idpols. Regardless, this is a movie where Joker's only (on-screen) victims are Wall Street brokers and people who financially exploit his mental illness for ratings. He inspires a populist uprising. Cops are bad. His boss is bad. The rich businessman running for office is bad. The media lionizes the rich white victims. His meds and therapy are subject to austerity cuts. It's hard to convince me this many things get in there 'unintentionally' MasterSitsu has issued a correction as of 19:27 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Bro Dad posted:the director is also an anti-union shitbag whose other claim to fame is making the hangover movies Like Sorkin he's an anti-WGA dick who in the same breath claims to be for unions in principle. None of this is a defense, I'm just saying none of this is real evidence to me that the things in Joker are an accident (especially when its co-written by a guy who has made other works sympathetic to poor, sick, or addicted persons) https://twitter.com/t_ruggeri/status/1179130071870656512?s=20
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Serf posted:yeah i know what you're referring to and i think that if you put it in the context of the other time during the film that we see that plot element come up, it seems less that he has an unfulfilled desire for sexual intimacy and more that he just wants intimacy of any kind Attention of any kind. Failed professional clown/aspiring stand up comedian. Psychiatrists arent listening to him, boss doesnt listen to him/believe him, relationships both real and imagined are given and taken away. It's more that he has no positive attention whatsoever rather than the entitlement to it that we associate with incels. In fact, his first victims are the ones that felt entitled to womens attention/affection And he's not even really.... jealous of anyone in the film. The... uh.... kid.... in the film, he's not resentful or jealous of, he is trying to get attention/connection there just as much. MasterSitsu has issued a correction as of 01:19 on Oct 6, 2019 |
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http://www.outono.net/elentir/2019/10/05/joker-the-perverse-idea-that-this-formally-excellent-film-promotes/ I found an anti-Marxist Joker review that hates it for the same reasons I liked it. quote:“Joker” introduces us to the protagonist as a victim of violence and injustice. So far this film has a common element with many other cinematographic works that have not generated any controversy. In addition, the Joker is an upset man, to the point that it causes you grief. Again, there is nothing wrong with a movie raising that issue. The problem comes when the movie presents the Joker as a victim of the “system”. Several times that word is mentioned during the feature film. But also, and here comes what I liked least, the film tells the story of the Joker in a way that supports that idea: the rich are portrayed as heartless to those who do not care about the fate of those who have less (Thomas Wayne, which in other films is a philanthropist, this time it is a scoundrel and refers to those disadvantaged as “clowns”), so that the violence of those disadvantaged against the rich ends up looking like understandable and logical.
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https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/posts/10156278766436857 LOLOLOLOL quote:On Wednesday night I attended the New York Film Festival and witnessed a cinematic masterpiece, the film that last month won the top prize as the Best Film of the Venice International Film Festival. It’s called “Joker” — and all we Americans have heard about this movie is that we should fear it and stay away from it. We’ve been told it’s violent and sick and morally corrupt — an incitement and celebration of murder. We’ve been told that police will be at every screening this weekend in case of “trouble.” Our country is in deep despair, our constitution is in shreds, a rogue maniac from Queens has access to the nuclear codes — but for some reason, it’s a movie we should be afraid of.
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Serf posted:this is what i thought before i saw the movie, but it never really shows the protesters doing anything bad. like the obvious comparison is tdkr, where nolan went out of his way to show stuff like the rioters beating up defenseless people, holding kangaroo court trials leading to executions and had catwoman be appalled at something as simple as people taking over a rich person's mansion and living in it. nolan clearly wanted you to think this stuff was bad. todd phillips is a much worse filmmaker, so he doesn't have this element in the film. the protesters-turned-rioters are set off by the government cuts and sanitation worker strike > joker killing three finance bros on the subway > cops pursuing joker killing a random protester > joker admitting to the killings on live tv and then killing murray franklin. then we see rioters and looters burning cop cars, fighting the police and smashing storefronts etc. there's just no scene that shows them going too far, or doing something that an average audience member would consider beyond the pale. the cops suck, and no one cares when they killed beat down and their poo poo gets destroyed. i don't think the movie has a pro-leftist message, but it uses the visual language of anti-capitalism and revolt and is either too lazy or too dumb to show you why you should think those things are bad I just wish other superhero flicks were subject to this kind of scrutiny. Mainstream outlets never run articles about what idolizing Batman could do to a kid, and even if they wanted to they would be stopped because page 8 is an ad of Alfred Pennyworth vaping.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:saw joker last night and the worst part for me was that it was called joker. It's functionally similar to Falling Down, except that Falling Down is an angry authoritarian who know what things should be, whereas Joker gradually moves from care bear to nihilist. 
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Percelus posted:nightcrawler absolutely wants you to hate the main character so it's more of a critique than an endorsement of psychopaths that thrive in capitalism Of all of these movies Drive is the most certain that the protagonist is actually a hero. I hate it. It's pretty, some of the music is good. The dialogue is poo poo/hilariously absent and the story is rancid.
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WampaLord posted:see also: watchmen Someone brought an infant to Once Upon A Time in Hollywood. The baby was thankfully.... quiet. However, rather than realizing their mistake, the parents took a couple "Baby's first movie!" selfies mid-film.
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get that OUT of my face posted:who gives a poo poo about South Park anymore? it's almost exclusively relied on topical humor for years now. the political bent of such episodes has been discussed to death, so i won't bother doing that. instead i'll talk about it from a comedy angle- those episodes are destined to age terribly, and many of them already have. for a show that famously trashed Family Guy, it shares the same kind of winking and nudging "reference as the joke" humor that assumes that you get the joke Basically this but the episode is pretty good anyways and good on them for taking one for the team, I guess. I will say watching South Park reckon with its past over the last couple years has been interesting to me if nothing else.
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get that OUT of my face posted:
Yes and no, in that the season relied on Hillary winning the election, and since they don't plan far enough ahead, they were kind of left scrambling to tie everything back together.
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Oct 8, 2019 23:35
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The cops in my conspiracy show aren't clearly depicted as bad therefore they must be good for the entire run of my conspiracy show https://twitter.com/bransonreese/status/1186635835497680896?s=20
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MizPiz posted:Easily the best Christian song produced https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_OJsO8xnRQ
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Peanut President posted:does watchmen the tv show really take place in fuckin oklahoma? Yes. It literally starts with the 1921 Tulsa riots. Might seem like a weird location for a major show, but thematically it already seems to have justified itself.
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gradenko_2000 posted:calling it a riot rather obscures who was doing what, and what they were doing I'm Canadian and only learned of it this week, most people including wikipedia called it the Tulsa Race Riot. force of habit. Anywho, based on that framing and the naming of the 7th Cavalry as the white supremacist cult, my main theory is the show, plotwise, will be about white supremacists and a complicit police conspiracy to start a new civil war.
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KomradeX posted:At somepoint in the last 20 years every Christmas movie became that. KLAUS legitimately deserves a Criterion release
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