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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Yeah,ancient people were smart and creative as gently caress, because that’s what humans are. Ancient man was doing math in his head and tracking the exact movements of celestial bodies and performing science well before the written word. If your chores and done for the day and everything is ok, you’ve got nothing but time to think about and discuss poo poo, even if you’re a nomadic hunter-gatherer. “Ignorant man,” somehow figured out how to tame animals, grow crops, make booze, play music and perform complex dances, make medicine and care for the injured and represent speech as symbols, among thousands of other amazing achievements. People in the “before time,” lacked consistent knowledge sharing and hypothesis testing between large groups, ie accumulated knowledge on a mass scale as we can enjoy today. Even then, they did pretty loving well for themselves.

I mean if Greeks could make steam engines and robotic puppet shows, Romans and Chinese could make mechanical computers and automated factories, etc, I think it’s silly to assume some group of people in pre-history couldn’t have figured out a little carving and architecture and myth making “ahead of time.” Even ancient writers wrote accounts of ancient ruins of unknown origin. gently caress, Koko the gorilla knew the implications of mortality and had an idea of what awaits after death. I think Joe Caveman could figure out how stones work.

*the Koko is a lie

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Oh, cool. Koko was a case of one of those people who types responses to a family’s question with the finger of their beloved vegetable? I suppose an educated horse doing math with hoof stomps might be a closer fit? Ouija by way of gorilla is at least a novel take. RIP one more half-remembered myth from my youth.



E: whatever you think you saw, it’s always an owl

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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FFT posted:

Clever Hans I get, but I'm not familiar with the other.

If clever Hans is a horse (making the assumption here) then the other thing I mentioned was facilitated communication.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitated_communication

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Ralph Crammed In posted:

I'm not saying there is a parade of aliens wandering around America's heartland, but there was some freaky stuff report that was never really taken that seriously by anyone other than the fringe.

I think popular culture has had a negative effect on the way Fortean occurrences are treated by researchers. It became crackpot nonsense - B movie rubber masks and comic book fodder. Anyone who attempts to seriously investigate unusual occurrences is laughed out of the room. J. Allen Hynek, author and researcher, was a very extremely serious academic who debunked UFO reports for the Air Force, said as much in his book the UFO Experience: A scientific inquiry. He did recognize that it was unusual phenomena though, and while he didn't think it was extraterrestrial he still thought it was a big enough of an abnormality to get scientifically serious about it. But what are UFOS? Who knows, cause you can't bring your UFO thesis to a "real" academic institution without getting laughed at.
I’m cool with people investigating cryptids and supernatural stuff. I even have a crazy hypothesis about how if ghosts are real, the phenomena used to explain them away are actually how they manifest in our world. That camera goofed up, producing orbs, and that fan emitted ELF sound, causing you chills and fear, precisely because there WAS a supernatural entity present. I am fully aware that this is a retarded and bad idea. Sorry for bringing up ghosts, but it’s the best example I can think of right now(I assume ghostchat is at least discouraged in this thread).

luxury handset posted:

do people still go on about the bermuda triangle now that you can track ships in real time over the internet

Obviously all of that data is false and part of the coverup.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

What God wants, God gets, God help us all
If somebody experiences supernatural phenomena, I believe them in the sense that I generally believe that they experienced what they describe as they honestly remember it. Does that mean I believe in gods and ghosts? Nah, poo poo’s whack.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Azathoth posted:

kentucky moonshine can't melt cave walls

It can if you distill it right!

Kanine posted:

so like, what's the general reasoning behind the x-files/cryptid/conspiracy/etc stuff being so popular in the 90s?

I’m guessing it was a combination of old government projects being subject to theFreedom of Information Act, speculation about what they were still hiding or lying about, and low-res home video cameras recording to a low-res medium to be played on low-res screens. It’s easier to see an UFO when it’s just a blurry mass of a dozen or so pixels on your tv and vcr combo.

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Kanine posted:

i have a young cousin who's terrified of the woods now because he snuck out of his bedroom when he was supposed to be asleep and saw his parents watching the revenant bear scene

My brain read that as Wicker Man bee scene. That would be much funnier.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Captain Hygiene posted:

Oh my god

*immediately drops everything to learn more*

Hahaha that was amazing. Buncha mountain men LARPing D&D in the dark.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Facebook Aunt posted:

I must say, I don't care for the hospitality there. Shooting at visitors is p rude.

For all they know it could have been an angel delivering a message from god, but before he can get through the "Be not afraid" spiel they are trying to shoot him full of lead. Rude.

Frankly, I wouldn’t fault someone for shooting at the lovecraftian horrors that are biblical angels.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Uziel is just a Micro Uzi that is covered in wings and eyes and is on fire and is also thirty feet tall.

E: Uziel means the power/strength of god and the Uzi firearm got its name from its creator, a man named Uziel. Uziel is an archangel tho

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Captain Hygiene posted:

So...a macro uzi?

It keeps the petit aesthetics and mechanical improvements of the Micro, but it is very macro, yes.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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tower time posted:

Its interesting you mention this, because there is very little in the way of paranormal lore or reputed hauntings in Iowa (I posted the Van Meter Visitor story earlier because its basically the only interesting one in the state I know of) and a whole lot of the state is German/Swedish descended with Lutheran being the dominant protestant sect in most of the state. I'd never considered any connection between the two.

Catholicism Lite got rid of all of the cool stuff, so it’s no wonder that Lutherans are lame.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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value-brand cereal posted:

Now hang on just a second. I thought German immigrants in the midwest farmland had a huge problem with Corn Wolves infesting their corn crops? Did they finally hunt them to extinction? That would be sad, corn wolves are pretty cool cryptids.

I’m pretty sure those were just squirrels tied to a barn owl.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah ABCs are quite plausible because there's always some nutter who has been secretly keeping a tiger in his house for years without anyone knowing, like that guy in Harlem who went to hospital torn to shreds and tried to tell the staff he was mauled by a pit bull and they went "You think WE don't know exactly what pit bull bites look like, dumbass??" and tipped off the cops


Nice to see the cops not instantly gunning down an innocent creature. If only they’d treat brown people with the same care and respect they showed to a man-eating apex predator, along with its primordial reptile murder beast of a roommate. A boy can dream.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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I like the pictures of modern animals drawn like dinosaurs are typically drawn. They all look like emaciated hellbeasts with massive fangs.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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I own a copy of Everything Is Under Control: Conspiracies, Cults and Coverups, an insane encyclopedia of conspiracy theories, cryptids and a lot more. I can snap some pictures or transcribe entries if someone wants to see what the book has to say about a given topic. Keep in mind that the book was published in 1998, though.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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StrixNebulosa posted:

Tell me about either Atlantis or the CIA or Area 51, please!

I will do so once I am home. It’s been years since I paged through the drat thing

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Here’s Area 51







E: Atlantis is coming There is no Atlantis :tinfoil:

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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uvar posted:

I was entertained recently by reading some ancient paranormal tales from collections that are out of copyright and are free to download. Age doesn't mean the stories are more reliable, but at least the writing style is authentic. Plus the titles in this one are delightfully vague, how can you not want to know more?



Though if you go too far back it's more trouble than it's worth. (edit: weird, linking to pages is playing up. The traditional stories are towards the back of the book, though the very last one seems to be that... somebody had kidney stones)

I think my favourite pseudoscience topic when I was younger was time slips - people temporarily being sent back in time. Moberly-Jourdain, Kersey, or a whole bunch that supposedly happened to English people in the World Wars (well, I guess they wouldn't be interested in what the Germans had to say at the time).

Alternatively, https://portalsoflondon.com/ is entirely fictional but neat.

Dont post link bait articles

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Snowglobe of Doom posted:

On the other hand, extremely recommended if you want to know what it feels like to experience UFO-related blackout/time loss phenomenon.

I time-travelled a lot back in college.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Episode 4 of Expedition Bigfoot aired and I'm sure you'll be shocked to learn that they just keep getting real close to bigfoot (usually helped along by bullshit fancy new tech that they never quite explain) but always end up just missing it! And as usual they end the episode out in the woods in the middle of the night when they're about to make a HUGE BREAKTHROUGH which will no doubt amount to nothing next episode, or at best some vague 'evidence' that's not conclusive but hey you can't just rule it out completely!!!

They keep harping on the idea that bigfoot uses infrasound to 'warn' people away and make them sick if they get too close, and they keep replaying an interview with a 'witness' who said he took some evidence from the forest and was struck down with a mystery illness until he returned the evidence back to the forest and was instantly cured.
My prediction is that in the final episode they'll find some "actual evidence" that'll prove bigfoot's existence once and for all if only they can get it back to the lab, but one of their team will fall deathly ill and they'll throw the evidence away so that bigfoot will lift his curse and cure their teammate. But they'll have learned some important lesson along the way!

Hmm. Took some weird poo poo from the woods, having it made you sick, getting rid of it made you bettter...

Open and shut case for demonic Bigfoot possession!

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:

Jacobs Ladder was a UFO and Joshua used sonic weaponry to conquer Jericho.

Marching around Jericho could have been a clever way of disguising the noise of sappers undermining the wall, but I don’t think that kind of siege warfare happened back then.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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C.M. Kruger posted:

"but how could they have made straight lines?!?!? the ancients could have never figured out how to stretch out a rope and then use the shadow as a guide!"

Similarly one thing I've run into a couple times from Christian fundies as a "ATHEISTS = DESTROYED!" argument involves tongs for metalworking. Variously the argument or "idea exercise" (the one I encountered was "make HMS Victory entirely from scratch") all leads to the proposal that "you can't work metal to make blacksmith tongs without first having tongs", so therefore god exists.

However what little information exists on pre-colonial blacksmithing in Africa provides an example otherwise, that wooden tongs were used. Using sticks is acceptable enough for basic working of copper or iron blooms (as they burn up you can just get more sticks) until you can work it to the point where you can put metal tips on the ends of your wooden tongs or stretch your iron ingot out enough that you can hold the cooler side with them. IIRC there's a South African movie from the late 1930s that shows some actual Zulu blacksmiths in part of a "village life" scene and one of the smiths is using some wooden tweezers to hold a ingot while he hammers it out on a rock.

The devil put iron tongs in the fossil record to destroy the faith of the white man.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Randaconda posted:

how do they explain the physics

a giant wouldn't be able to be bipedal, it would weigh too much

Us, but thiccc

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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The biblical flood myth is weapons-grade victim-blaming. Kinda hosed up, really.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Romans had analog computers, advanced surgery techniques and industrialized flour mills powered by aqueduct.

P rad

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Captain Hygiene posted:

I always enjoyed those illustrations, but never really knew whether there was much truth to them or if they were just a neat idea.

More contemporary dinosaur illustrations have padding from fat and feathers and stuff. As an example, it is unlikely you’d be able to see the teeth of a trex with a closed mouth, as the teeth would be covered with muscle, fat, cartilage, skin, maybe feathers, etc . Same thing with sabertooth cats, for another toothy example.

Jurassic Park is almost solely responsible for the layman’s perception of what dinosaurs looked like.

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Where does Venger Satanis fit in this poo poo?

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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8one6 posted:

The only way they can fully manifest in our reality is by wearing gorilla costumes with reality obvious seams down the back.

Exactly!

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Has anyone posted about the best ghost show yet?


https://youtu.be/-wG9m-eYNiM

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Anyone here ever played Steve Jackson’s Illuminati: New World Order (INWO)? I had a game where Cthulhu cultists controlled the Vatican, who secretly ran the Girl Scouts, who ran the pornography industry in order to aid UFOs. It wasn’t necessarily a fantastic game mechanically, but it sure made for some entertaining scenarios.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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NASA was already Nazis doin space poo poo, no conspiracies needed.

https://youtu.be/TjDEsGZLbio

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Randaconda posted:

Art Bell was the superior Coast to Coast AM host, though

Every time I heard Art Bell gently say, “go on,” during an interview, I knew poo poo was about to get wild.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Captain Hygiene posted:

IFOs > USOs > ISOs > UFOs

USOs still terrify me. Fuckin lobstermen and AOE torpedo horeshit.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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catlord posted:

That's Gavin Menzies' 1421. I read it, it's pretty fun, especially for alt-history speculation, but it's not difficult to notice that the first half, describing Zheng He's actual expedition, have a lot more citations and footnotes than the second half where they discover America. I haven't read his second book where he claims that the Chinese also sailed to Europe and kick-started the Renaissance, it sounds kinda lame honestly, but apparently his third book he argues that the Minoans were Atlantis and had an empire reaching from India to North America, so gently caress, maybe I should see if I can find that in a used bookstore.

Edit: One thing that doesn't get mentioned often enough with 1421 is that he also claims they discovered Australia, and also accidentally mined a bunch of uranium and lost a bunch of sailors to radiation poisoning.

1493 appears to be written by the guy who wrote 1491 about native civilizations pre-Columbus, which from my admittedly unknowing position, seemed pretty good. Are there notable issues with Charles C. Mann?

Why would a Chinese person sail all the fucken way to Europe when walking was probably safer and way cheaper if you weren’t transporting tons of cargo? Ibn Battuta made his way from North Africa to China and back 100 years earlier, and he’s just the guy whose memoir survived.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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nonathlon posted:

Thanks, I never knew that. It's a weird motivation and explanation - the government has suppressed history and archaeology because they don't want you to know about :catdrugs: because ... where like so many of these conspiracy theories, it falls down on motivation.


History-goons might clarify, but I dimly recall reading a history of the world book where it talked about there being early civilizations (perhaps in Africa) that we know next to nothing about. As in, our ideas of the first civilizations is just the first ones we've been able to identify.

A good chunk of the oral histories that might have held clues to older civilizations in Africa were sadly lost due to colonialism and the slave trade. For cool technologies, I vaguely remember that in Eastern Africa, somebody was making steel of better quality, and earlier, than European stuff using mud ovens and wooden tongs.

Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Groke posted:

Yah, there's any number of factors that can make a prehistoric civilization obscure. Certain climates are worse than others for preserving stuff, many areas have poor accessibility for archaeologists due to practical or political reasons, etc.

Jungle is pretty bad at preservation, isn’t it?

One thing I found interesting was that part of Mali’s gold wealth depended on their salt mines in the north. The southern gold mines were in the jungle, which at least in that location apparently has almost no salt, so workers would die without it.

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Pvt.Scott
Feb 16, 2007

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

A while ago some Cuban spies were caught with a one-time pad and it was used to decode a bunch of innocuous messages like “celebrate the contributions of female comrades this week because it’s International Woman’s Day on Friday.” Presumably there was spy poo poo that wasn’t revealed, but yeah it’s pretty well agreed that numbers stations are for sending secret messages. Crime would be a good use for them.

I thought it was that they kept using the same cipher from a one-time pad, negating the point of a one-time pad. Maybe it was a honeypot to see if anyone was still even paying attention?

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