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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RUUETWIlfY

I've loved this movie since I was a kid and still feel it holds up. But I always got the impression Sonya's actress wasn't very good at fake fighting or something.
I still like this scene, though. I guess there's a virtue in knowing how to use what you're given.

How is the new Sonya?

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





boop the snoot posted:

Other than some lovely CGI (Reptile and Shao Khan, mostly) then MK95 holds up really well. Even the lovely shrinking effect when Goro paid the price for breaking $500 sunglasses rear end in a top hat.

Something about Goro in MK95 just seems so much better than the new one. Not from a design standpoint but from a story standpoint. MK95 Goro got punched in the balls and kicked off a cliff and lost in a Flawless Victory; but even in light of that Goro in MK95 was just so much more badass.

I was 6 or 7 when this movie came out so naturally I had already played the M rated video game and was super excited for the movie. My grandmother didn't want me seeing it though because she naturally heard all about the EXTREME VIOLENCE of Mortal Kombat.

Then the movie wasn't that violent at all and most relevantly to your post, she loved that scene and line from Johnny. We both ended up really liking the movie.


Also I just wanna say, when commenting on Mk's infamous legacy of gore and violence, I've seen some folks in here saying "I haven't played MK in years, maybe I'll check out one of the new games now." The fatalities in the reboot franchise are hosed up and not enjoyable at all to me. Mortal Kombat was always cartoony - violent and offensive in the comedic style of something from the 90s. New Mortal Kombat is literally giving the fatality researchers nightmares.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 15:44 on May 3, 2021

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Neo Rasa posted:

It's unfortunately not but should be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI-Takf76RY


It's because he was an character in the '95 movie who shows up early and gets built up over a couple of scenes. So even him dying in a stupid way was a good payoff because after the build up and Goro killing Johnny Cage's best friend it fit that Cage deciding he was going to play dirty and get this dude killed ASAP. Goro doesn't have a lot of dialogue but you can tell he's this sort of haughty honorable warrior type and Cage took advantage of that. I love Goro's brief scene with Kano where he's talking poo poo about how awesome he is and Goro's just being thoroughly unimpressed. Stuff like that adds a lot of life to him compared to how in the new one he just sort of shows up and throws people around and then gets gutted.


Goro in the new movie wasn't even a character.

"I'm a pretty big shot myself. Ya know, back home..."
How lucky for THEM..."back home."

I can quote entirely too much of this movie from memory. But I agree totally with your point.

Does anybody else remember some weird martial arts TV show from the 90s that the first guy Liu Kang fought was also in? I remember I knew him immediately upon seeing him in the movie but the show itself is a dim memory at this point.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Dog_Meat posted:

Slightly off topic, but I totally agree with this. I'm in my 40s, so "my" Mortal Kombat was 1-3. My friend's 11 year old son somehow got hold of one of the newer ones as we assumed it would be the same cartoony violence we grew up with.

Jesus loving Christ...

I know that part of the problem is just me growing up and becoming the modern day version of the pearl clutchers back in the 90s who demanded the blood be turned off, but there's a vindictiveness and torture-porn feeling about the game now. I grew up watching the original nasty-as-gently caress Robocop movies so graphic violence has always been hilarious, but there's something in the tone that just sits 'wrong' with me.

Then again, if I was a kid I'd think it was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen and we'd be talking in the playground about all the amazing finishing moves and competing to be the first to see the next horrific scene and calling bullshit on eachother

I'll always remember the most insightful thing Yahtzee ever said was his discussion of Manhunt. He said this is not a game any child should be playing and yet it's clearly made for children. He said something like "talking about all the awesome ways you can kill people is a good way to make friends in school, it's a good way to LOSE them at work." I've always remembered this observation because it's a fascinating little paradox. So many 'adult" things are actually for children or teenagers who long to be adults.

I think New MK is very similar to Manhunt in this regard and you're right on the money

But I am also old now so what do know.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Dog_Meat posted:

This is absolutely true. I have no interest in the SAW or Final Destination sequels as they literally became "hosed up death showcase part X", but as a kid I loved the Nightmare on Elm Street films and would be listening to the cool kids who saw them first describe the latest Freddy kills in great (and usually embellished) detail. I cringe when I think back to trying to fit in by telling my younger cousin all about the films I'd seen when in reality I was a 9 year old describing 10 year old's description of a film he probably saw on a terrible bootleg vhs. Saw and Final Destination would be the holy grail to me as a kid and NOBODY would believe me.

I mentioned the original Robocop in my previous post and it still holds up as a nasty, nasty film that I loved as a kid, but it also scared the poo poo out of me. It wasn't the gore or effects that made it disturbing. It was the cruelty, sadism and uncaring casual nature of the violence that scared me as a kid. There is a whole generation of people like me who are genuinely uneasy when we see Kurtwood Smith and no amount of sitcoms will change that

The modern Mortal Kombat games would have been crack cocaine to young, undeveloped me and I worry how my world view would have been affected with the casual fun of violence reaching such realistic, graphic levels.

It says something interesting about our culture that the violence has gotten much, much more graphic but the shameless sexual exploitation has been dialled back and we don't get women characters running around in rear end-floss swimwear. Hey kids, horrific violence is cool, just don't look at the scantily clad girls in case they make you think naughty thoughts

For Robocop it was the guy who got covered in like toxic waste that always scared little me. He was just flailing around in agony forever.

And your last point is very pertinent to me. I think it was a couple MK games ago now but the usual suspects were complaining about the new MK girls outfits. I haven't played an MK game since Armageddon and so I YouTubed to see what they were talking about. Shitlords are gonna be shitlords and it is inevitable that literally everything created nowadays will have somebody complaining about how the SJWs ruined it. But as you said, it really does reek of hypocrisy that "ridiculous exaggerated sexualization of women is bad, ridiculous exaggerated murder of women is good."

It's all just performative, of course. But a company being performative to avoid controversy is in response to culture as you noted. The culture has to be hosed up and be okay with extreme violence but not extreme sex to produce something like MK.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 15:42 on May 4, 2021

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





Neo Rasa posted:

Weirdly I feel like the Samurai Shodown games hold up incredibly well out of all of them (except KOF of course KOF is eternally fuckin' awesome ). 2 and 3 in particular are like aesthetic masterpieces, like 2 has some of the most "this background and music is ABSOLUTELY what this character's personality and story are all about on multiple levels you could build an entire game just about this one character and area" amount of focus ever.

I've always been very impressed with SNK's storytelling through backgrounds and music. They just had exceptional art and direction in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-js616r9XY

I grew up on MK which is such low tier trash compared to this.

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010





The United States posted:

Animatronic Goro is great because in no way could they do the sort of knock-em sock-em destroy-the-garage fight the 2021 CG Goro does, so instead they get creative and have Johnny Cage punch him in the balls and then kick him off a cliff in a really wide shot. It's not really much of a fight but the Animatronic Goro and the brilliant puppeteers do such a great job selling the ball punch that's what people remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgRPVOCr-QY

And let's not forget Rayden hitting that random goon while laughing and then saying "sorry"

Like I said earlier with Sonya vs. Kano, they really knew how to make the best use out of very little. I think that's a great virtue in an artist.

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