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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




Apart from Itoje, Vunipola and maybe Furlong it was the worst performance from a Gatland Lions team. Should have been beyond the Boks at half time. Fair play to the Boks though, came good in the second half and rightfully won the game.

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MyChemicalImbalance
Sep 15, 2007

Keep on smilin'



:unsmith:

Lions second half was abysmal, outmatched physically, unable to do anything with the ball and dogshit discipline. Fair play the the Boks for keeping the pressure up, at least it's all to play for now!

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



Aye, if you can even get the ball to the centres against a huge Boks team, you're totally hosed.

MyChemicalImbalance
Sep 15, 2007

Keep on smilin'



:unsmith:

How ballsy will Gatland be? You could make a case for another 2-3 changes at least but I could as easily see Gats stick with what he's put out in the first two.

Replacement front row, both starting half backs and the back three from today could all be re-jigged.

DickEmery
Dec 5, 2004


MyChemicalImbalance posted:

How ballsy will Gatland be? You could make a case for another 2-3 changes at least but I could as easily see Gats stick with what he's put out in the first two.

Replacement front row, both starting half backs and the back three from today could all be re-jigged.

He's not really been known for shying away from a controversial selection.
The lack of games between the tests may constrain things though.
I can see him making 6 or 7 changes.

Back three, AWJ to bench and Watson/Faletau starting.

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



Whole bunch o' changes

British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

HappyCamperGL posted:

Whole bunch o' changes

British and Irish Lions: Williams; Adams, Henshaw, Aki, Van der Merwe; Biggar, Price; Jones, Owens, Furlong, Itoje, A Wyn Jones (c), Lawes, Curry, Conan

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Vunipola, Sinckler, Beard, Simmonds, Murray, Russell, Daly

No real arguments from me other than vd Merwe is lucky that he was not dropped and that Watson was (who was unlucky to be dropped). I really like Hogg but this kind of game is not his strong suit and Williams is a better pick. If you have Russell at 10 running an attacking backline then Hogg makes sense, but not if the game is so aerial. I think Aki and Henshaw make a terrific centre pairing.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



Watson was worse in the air that VDM, but the whole backline was awful on Saturday so hard to pick anyone out to get dropped.

MyChemicalImbalance
Sep 15, 2007

Keep on smilin'



:unsmith:

Was very down on the selection before the Boks named theirs, no Faf, PSDT or Vermeulen leaves it open a little, but the Lions forwards were bullied last week and I don't know if this team can turn that around.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

Vaders Jester posted:

Watson was worse in the air that VDM, but the whole backline was awful on Saturday so hard to pick anyone out to get dropped.

I thought that Vdm Was thoroughly rattled while Watson kept some composure but yes, broadly agreed.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



therattle posted:

I thought that Vdm Was thoroughly rattled while Watson kept some composure but yes, broadly agreed.

There's an interesting stat come from Ben Smith at Rugbypass(so take with a pinch) that any contestable kick chase, across both tests, that has had Duhan as a gunner or directly competing for the ball, SA have had 0% success with. If that's true, then it might explain why he's kept his spot I suppose.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

Vaders Jester posted:

There's an interesting stat come from Ben Smith at Rugbypass(so take with a pinch) that any contestable kick chase, across both tests, that has had Duhan as a gunner or directly competing for the ball, SA have had 0% success with. If that's true, then it might explain why he's kept his spot I suppose.

It sure would. Even if itís not 100% accurate but broadly representative itís a more compelling case for keeping him.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011



Vaders Jester posted:

There's an interesting stat come from Ben Smith at Rugbypass(so take with a pinch) that any contestable kick chase, across both tests, that has had Duhan as a gunner or directly competing for the ball, SA have had 0% success with. If that's true, then it might explain why he's kept his spot I suppose.

The All Black...?

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



Sadly not Ben from accounts, different NZ Smith.

MyChemicalImbalance
Sep 15, 2007

Keep on smilin'



:unsmith:

70 minutes of Finn? :getin:

Tyma
Dec 22, 2004

Chwyldro Dawnsio Dawns


My prophecy has come true :(

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




MyChemicalImbalance posted:

70 minutes of Finn? :getin:

And we can all be thankful.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

MyChemicalImbalance posted:

70 minutes of Finn? :getin:

Heís playing really well. Iím bricking it. Lions looking v dangerous. We are clinging on by the skin of our teeth

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014



good to see them actually trying to play rugby now.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



Finn gives me the fear sometimes but he's had a really good 30 minutes. Just need to keep the head and not go for anything too bonkers. The change of pace with him on is night and day from the first two tests though.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




Have to clean up the infringements. When the Lions are playing with pace they are all over the boks.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

It was all going well, and then the parademons showed up


Fallen Rib

Can someone check to make sure Kolbe doesn't run himself in butter before the game.

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



Losing on a 50/50 scrum pretty much sums up this test series. Congrats to SA though, hell of a side.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




Ah bollocks.

Looke
Aug 2, 2013



At least we know now that if you want a win, just release a 30 min video of you criticising every decision the ref made in the first match

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

Looke posted:

At least we know now that if you want a win, just release a 30 min video of you criticising every decision the ref made in the first match

Or you could blame poor decision making which leaves points on the table and doesnít convert territorial and possession dominance into points.

Donít forget that Gatland started the whole refereeing issue by attacking the TMO.

therattle fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Aug 7, 2021

Looke
Aug 2, 2013



Please dont interject my saltiness with facts

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

I presume this article is a bunch of sour grapes..https://rugbyonslaught.com/the-moment-that-finally-proved-this-lions-tour-was-a-farce/

Vaders Jester
Sep 9, 2009

Welcome to fucking Scotland.
:scotland:



It's weird to have a physio so close, just in case some player goes into them and someone gets hurt but it's being blown totally out of proportion.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat


Jesus Christ, that website is like the rugby equivalent of the Daily Mail.

CyberPingu
Sep 15, 2013


If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

therattle posted:

Jesus Christ, that website is like the rugby equivalent of the Daily Mail.

Oh really? Lol I didn't realise. I generally don't read rugby articles online tbh but that somehow ended up in my newsfeed.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004





I wondered what they were doing there as well and why they were talking while the Lions were over the line, not quite convinced it's the problem Mr Onslaught is making it out to be mind.

Raffles
Dec 7, 2004



It's a bit naughty, but "absolutely sickening" is a bit of stretch.

therattle
Jul 24, 2007

I'm a family man - I run a family business. This is my son and my partner, H.W.


Soiled Meat

CyberPingu posted:

Oh really? Lol I didn't realise. I generally don't read rugby articles online tbh but that somehow ended up in my newsfeed.

I had a look (never heard of it before) and the tone is soooo over the top.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


Without looking, I correct in assuming they publish articles about the All Blacks poaching Pasifika talent, and recruit directly from the islands?

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004




edogawa rando posted:

Without looking, I correct in assuming they publish articles about the All Blacks poaching Pasifika talent, and recruit directly from the islands?

Probably, but I'm not sure it's being 100% serious. This article starts off:

quote:

New Zealand folk definitely know their rugby, having once been really good at the sport a good few years back.

The international game may be beyond New Zealand and their once mighty All Blacks and their fans know that, but theyíre definitely in a good spot to give an opinion on class sides like the British & Irish Lions, and to a lesser extent the Springboks.

Which suggests that a lot of it is tongue in cheek and done for the wind up.

Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011



Red card?

So is the 20 minute rule official now?

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Ya like Little Wayne?


Mister Chief posted:

Red card?

So is the 20 minute rule official now?

Trialled in the Rugby Champs.

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008






Mister Chief posted:

Red card?

So is the 20 minute rule official now?

Would appear so. And that was a pretty soft red, but I guess if youíre not a player down for the entire match a soft red is more understandable?

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Mister Chief
Jun 6, 2011



I think itís the perfect example for an orange card.

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