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therattle posted:It pains me to admit it but I do agree with you. The TMO ignored the guidelines and that’s a problem. At the end of the day they are just guidelines and referees have leeway in there. In this case it was such an obvious and egregious knock on that it feels right to check it. I think there were 3 phases from the knock on to the try so it's not outrageous. I've not checked but as I remember it Barnes doesn't call for a formal review for the try, it's a Live refferal. But like I say I didn't check. It's not like people still complain about missed forward passes 16 years after the fact or anything. Aramoro fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Nov 1, 2023 |
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edogawa rando posted:So, ignoring the fuckwits above, going to go back and address this We just insulting each other under the guise of discussion now? Cool cool What you need to get into your stupid loving head is that those are guidelines for the Team of 4 not rules of the game. The Team of 4 can do whatever the gently caress they like on the pitch and there's no recourse of tragically maladjusted kiwi dipshits like yourself. Barnes could have choosen not to listen to the TMO, in fact he did and awarded a penalty. Any of the Team of four can make live calls, and the match referee has ultimate responsibility to accept them or not although they do try to reach agreement on them. The TMO was within his rights to raise the issue and the Team of 4 has to decide if f they accept that or not and in this case they did. Hopefully I've translated that into a language you understand.
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The TMO guidelines are not rules because rules can be enforced. These are what they would like the Team of 4 to do. Things which cannot be enforced are not rules/laws of the game. The refs first obligation is to play to the spirt of the game, whatever that means. In this case that knockon was seen by everyone except Wanye Barnes, people not even watching the game saw it. Webb Ellis himself shuddered in his grave when it wasn't called. That being the case allowing the try to stand would have been an insane decision and that is why the refereeing team has the discretion that they do.
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GooseLoon posted:poo poo yeah sorry I forgot bitching about Wayne Barnes by NZ fans now means that nobody can point out that rugby is becoming slower and slower and the increased use of the TMO is helping to drive that You don't have to have that long a memory, just to the quarter finals which were absolute classics. The final wasn't even that slow, the main complaint seems to be there wasn't even more TMO involvement.
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Skarsnik posted:It's absolutely miserable in Cardiff, both inside and outside the stadium it seems What a first half performance. Best part was when they kicked to Finn who caught it standing still and just stood there for a bit because there was no chase.
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Some really soft penalties getting given there.
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Feb 3, 2024 19:06
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Time to find out about Ben OKeefes betting patterns.
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edogawa rando posted:I thought the refs were entitled to do whatever the gently caress they wanted. Your words, mate. They can, the question is if they should.
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edogawa rando posted:Could be as something as simple as Costelow fits into the style Gatland has envisioned for Wales better than Lloyd does. It’s not always about picking the players because “they’re the best” at that moment, but rather, it’s about selecting players who’s attributes gel best with the rest of the team. That's the problem they have though, Gatland is picking players for his style not working out what style fits the players he has available. I mean Townsend did exactly that and is the most successful Scottish coach to date, but it took a while to work.
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They showed the ball touching the ground.
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The ref was about to reverse his on field decision on the basis he'd just seen a video of the ball touching the ground and the TMO just decided to be unsure again.
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Fire Tounie!.... So he can be made king of Scotland.
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Communist Bear posted:Yeah the year when loving Townsend doesn't exist and the SRU aren't cunts. Townsend has delivered back to back Calcutta Cup. He's good.
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A genuinely good game between England and Ireland there, what is this opposite day? England winning just proves it.
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Communist Bear posted:Townsend is poo poo. We should have won a six nations ages ago. He has an excellent squad who won games in spite of him, not because of him. This feels more like pulling reasons out to post justify your opinions. Townsend has a better W/L ratio than any other coach in Scottish rugby history. Not even the great Ian McGeechan has a better record. But to you this is despite Townsend, but there's no real way to prove this other than your 'feels' on how many back to back slams you think we should have had. The one thing we do know is the player base you rate so highly and the play style Scotland has adopted over the last 7 years are down to Townsend. As so many Scotland fans bemoaned at the time. You're right we should have been contenders this year but point out failings in the tactics in the games. Like what did we do wrong against France and Italy. Italy we just completely poo poo the bed the second half, probably didn't use our bench early enough which is on Townsend. Against France we were in control but just didn't execute well enough, tactically I think we were good though.
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I think we will have to agree to disagree here because I think our disagreement comes from our basic premises. The disagreement between Finn and Townsend is an interesting one because you see in the Netflix documentary about Finn doing what he likes, when he just kept kicking the ball away against England much to Townsends frustration. At the time everyone blamed Townsend for poor tactical choice of a kicking game. But that wasn't the game plan. I think that's one of the biggest criticisms you can level at him, his ability to manage those player relationships. But squad selection and game day tactics are all pretty strong and have delivered results. Maybe Gregory has taken the team as far as he can. But you cannot deny that the Scotland now is a far stronger team than it was back in 2017. Gregor has been a great coach for Scotland, which is borne out by his record. Communist Bear posted:
You're exactly right, Scotland did adopt the playstyle of the Glasgow team, it was pretty contraversial at the time. That Galsgow team coached by.... checking my notes here..... Gregor Townsend.
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Communist Bear posted:The playstyle coached and developed by Sean Lineen. Townsend had nothing to do with it. It existed well before he came in. Oh sorry I thought you knew something about Scottish rugby for a minute there and weren't some sort of Lineen Truther. My bad. That's just not what happened at all. Feel free to go check the Glasgow squad that won the Pro12 and see who brought them in and trained them.
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Skarsnik posted:Imagine this being your last game for your country Hey, it's a historic game
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They're not playing that badly just now. Just scotlanding things a bit
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That's the third time he's given a knock on for a handling error when the ball goes backwards. I mean he's being even with it but come on lets open the game up a bit
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Mar 16, 2024 19:05
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So hard to get out the hole against Ireland. Good defence so far
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tarbrush posted:Stop Scotlanding!!!! Other countries try, but no one can Scotland like Scotland can.
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It's on!
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It's off again
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Vaders Jester posted:That went backwards, fucksake. He's done that all afternoon, any kind of tip is a knock on even if it goes backwards.
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The French forwards are up for this at least
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Simple things executed perfectly.
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Wait that wasn't a knock on?
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England have produced 2 back to back good games, not just good performances but genuinely good games. It's a world gone mad. For Scotland I'm not sure exactly how we move forwards. Just a lot of frustrating errors, over throwing a lineout is such a core skill, do we simply not have the skills across the board. The team feels confident and playing tactically a good game. Against Italy we just imploded after the disallowed try just couldn't get into the game after it. Against Ireland a broadly good performance strewn with basic errors. With France we were in the driving seat and even without the disallowed try we should have won that one. Maybe a change in coach would help but I'm not sure who and what practical thing they could do to improve Scotland.
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The main change I've seen that folk were moaning about was the removing the option for a scrum from a free kick. Just now if your scrum is dominant you can opt for a scrum, milk a penalty and so on.
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Calling a mark awards you a free kick so stopping you calling a scrum for it might be really important if you're also allowing marks outside the 22
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They tried to do this but I think they need to enforce it, if you have a dominant scrum, balls at the back and it goes down the use it don't just keep grinding until you get the penalty. You already got the shove and on the front foot, that's plenty of advantage to use. The Scrum - > penalty - > lineout - > maul - > try pipeline is just boring at this stage. Make people earn the yards. There's plenty for forwards to do on the pitch, you dont need to focus so much on the scrum. Oh and make them drive straight in the scrum. All of them.
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therattle posted:That’s fair enough. For me I think there might be something we can do with that pattern that is so common in games now where a team gets within 5ms and just hit it up endlessly until they get a penalty then crossfield kick. If that fails then into the corner for a maul and start again. The maul defence is getting better but it just becomes part of this cycle. It can be tense and exciting. But mostly the score is somewhat inevitable and it just drains the clock. No one is taking a risks until they've got that offside penalty. I'm not sure exactly how to fix this but maybe a little League style thing like limited phases inside the 5m to encourage trying to play it rather than just grind it. Fail to convert then a goal line drop out or free kick or something.
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