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Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

:pcgaming: Cross save from Switch to PC! :pcgaming:


Daemon x Machina is a Switch exclusive mech builder action game in the vein of Armored Core.

How's the gameplay?
Fun, lightning quick action with a good variety of single player mission types, with the online dominated by Monster Hunter-esque boss fights and team Arsenal duels. You can try out the demo and not waste your time, since everything in the demo is carried over to the full game.

Didn't this get thrashed in reviews?
It's got a 70% on metacritic, which, to put that in perspective, is higher than any Armored Core since 3 came out 17 years ago. Mech builders don't review well.

How grindy is it?
It's pretty much exactly as grindy as you make it. You can play straight through the game, never playing a side mission, and be reasonably equipped. If you want to have perfect triple slots on everything and unlock every secret part, there's a hundred hours of gameplay there for you.

How's the story?
Don't play this for the story.

https://twitter.com/AesObscure/status/1172618943283908608

Unreal_One fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jan 8, 2021

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Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
I'd argue the story isn't bad for what it is. It really gives a horrid first impression though.

In what I assume are the middle rank C missions now: gently caress this train escort

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

Mokinokaro posted:

I'd argue the story isn't bad for what it is. It really gives a horrid first impression though.

In what I assume are the middle rank C missions now: gently caress this train escort

Worst mission in the game, that. Only way I found to do it was burst one of them down super quick and then try to distract the other two, and even then it was close.

Pulsarcat
Feb 7, 2012


Mokinokaro posted:

I'd argue the story isn't bad for what it is. It really gives a horrid first impression though.

In what I assume are the middle rank C missions now: gently caress this train escort

That mission is the one I realized I needed too start getting serious about beefing up my mech, and even then I beat it with the train having less than 10% health.

And for the story, well, there's both too much story and at the same time not enough story.
Like there are a lot of cutscenes with a lot of dialogue but most of it is characters yelling their one personality trait or being needless vague.
It doesn't help that the various organizations you work for are faceless and rather than working alongside one consistent group you are constantly rotating partners.

Basically they should have either gone with a minimal story, or copied Front Mission 3s notes.

But outside of the story, I'm honestly having a blast, hell, even the on foot missions are pretty fun which I was not expecting.

Drizvolta
Oct 31, 2011

One thing to note for the OP is that there are multiplayer missions you can access by using the smaller console to the right of your main mission terminal, right next to the cyberdog. The multiplayer missions are fighting the large AI machines like the gunforts or fighting the different mech teams from the story. Their hp doesn't seem to be scaled down if you have less than 4 people, but you can bring along up to 3 AI partners you've unlocked in the SP missions.

I'm working my way through the rank B missions and I'm at a real loss as to what weapons I should be using, I've swapped out my dual MGs for an AR/Sword and a shotgun gun arm, but I really wish I didn't have to mash the trigger to keep firing the shotgun. The Garuda missiles have garbage tracking, but it's so great holding down the button and firing off a ton at a time.

The way the player upgrades sometimes modify your appearance into a cyborg is a really neat idea, although I have no idea why none of the NPC pilots have any mods at all.

Water in this game really sucks since any enemy that falls into it can't be looted and any partner that falls into it can't be revived. Stay far away from water if you can help it.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
Actually there's two NPCs with cybernetics on their face. One guy has a metal chin and the berserker guy from bullet works has one of the ones that covers the eyes.

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

Literally every member of Innocent (ouroboros symbol) have the chin thing, if you look.

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


I wanna say Painkiller has a roboarm, too. But yeah no one gets as freakishly 'borged as your character gets even a few upgrades in.

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib
This game was really getting on my loving nerves until I switched the audio to Japanese and suddenly it turned into a God's honest real robot anime.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)
The train mission is bad yea. I won it first time at 10% left. I was mostly pissed I didn't get to blow up the remaining enemies and loot them for parts.

Pandora's Box missiles are super good. 12 targets, come out quickly, decent damage.

Trying to unlock all the parts is a nightmare. Drops are very random and buying poo poo is super expensive.

Zebulon
Aug 20, 2005

Oh god why does it burn?!
Buying stuff is only really useful for developing more stuff anyways. Nothing you buy comes with mod slots. Boss items you develop come with one mod slot and nothing else. The endgame is farming for poo poo to get mods and the 3 slot items to shove them into. This is the crude drop list someone's made so far: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECS__YKsiuOiCzv1aOgeyFjg0Wxo6dDEX92vYt7sCGE/htmlview

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
How do you increase your damage decently. I feel like I am doing no very little damage in Zoa and Deva battle after the train mission, were I also felt I was barely able to dent Panzer Crown no matter how much I hit them.

The Melee weapons particularly don't feel like they are hitting as hard as they should.

Also I can't find the buster sword anymore, which I need to develop a new sword.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
Femto weapons (lasers and laser swords) seem to be the heaviest hitters vs other arsenals from my experience.

Dual bazooka is also hilariously effective for burst damage.

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

MonsterEnvy posted:

How do you increase your damage decently. I feel like I am doing no very little damage in Zoa and Deva battle after the train mission, were I also felt I was barely able to dent Panzer Crown no matter how much I hit them.

The Melee weapons particularly don't feel like they are hitting as hard as they should.

Also I can't find the buster sword anymore, which I need to develop a new sword.

Femto focus on weapons (dpad up on default control scheme) basically doubles your dps, so do that. Get close with machine guns is my main tactic, only a few Arsenals can survive for long under a hail of point blank bullets. At long ranges it's too easy for them to dodge. Also, make sure you're near the optimal range for your weapons, that makes them hit considerably harder.

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


MonsterEnvy posted:

How do you increase your damage decently. I feel like I am doing no very little damage in Zoa and Deva battle after the train mission, were I also felt I was barely able to dent Panzer Crown no matter how much I hit them.

The Melee weapons particularly don't feel like they are hitting as hard as they should.

Also I can't find the buster sword anymore, which I need to develop a new sword.

The pro (read: fun) melee strat is to use the mace. It does a bunch of damage and sends people flying when you hit them. I had a mission where I connected with like two dual mace hits in the entire thing and it was 25% of my total damage output.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Emong posted:

The pro (read: fun) melee strat is to use the mace. It does a bunch of damage and sends people flying when you hit them. I had a mission where I connected with like two dual mace hits in the entire thing and it was 25% of my total damage output.

I literally just did the "analyse the train" mission and I put femto into offensive stance, whipped out the mace and absolutely crushed one of the defending units with it.

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

I don't even have a mace ):

I find the bazooka arm to be pretty good, though it runs out of ammo as fast as normal bazookas... If you time your shots right you can get a pretty decent firing rate going with them as well.


Tempted to try a dual bazooka arm build...

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

One of the nice things about having multiple copies of a weapon type in a loadput is that ammo drops are given in full to each weapon of a type. You see that 5 bazooka ammo pickup? If you have a bazooka in each hand, that's 10 ammo. One on both pylons, too? That's 20.

Zebulon
Aug 20, 2005

Oh god why does it burn?!

organburner posted:

I don't even have a mace ):

I find the bazooka arm to be pretty good, though it runs out of ammo as fast as normal bazookas... If you time your shots right you can get a pretty decent firing rate going with them as well.


Tempted to try a dual bazooka arm build...

I have one set up for farming boss Immortals. Worked better than you might expect honestly. With the ammo pack auxillary weapon you end up with 53 shots per arm.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
I really like this robit game

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

Zebulon posted:

I have one set up for farming boss Immortals. Worked better than you might expect honestly. With the ammo pack auxillary weapon you end up with 53 shots per arm.

same, doublezooka and the shoulder laser is hilariously good at pouring on the damage to slow or large targets.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
Where can I get a mace?

Emong
May 31, 2011

perpair to be annihilated


Improbable Lobster posted:

Where can I get a mace?

The co-op battles against the Western VII have a couple enemies that can drop them.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)
oh my god gently caress getting Snatcher's blueprint drop

for anyone also banging their head against this: the Free Mission version doesn't expose its weakpoints ever, and breaking weakpoints raises drop chance. I ended up having to solo the Multiplayer version, which covers you in Strais (seriously like 7 of them) from the get go and autofails you if you don't do X amount of damage before a certain point in the track. So you have to just endure bullet hell while fighting Snatcher.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Question anyone know were you can get the Baldur's Edge. I appear to have skipped to Baldur's Edge II and I need the original version to unlock a cool sword in the factory.

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

MonsterEnvy posted:

Question anyone know were you can get the Baldur's Edge. I appear to have skipped to Baldur's Edge II and I need the original version to unlock a cool sword in the factory.

You make it from Baldur's Edge II, weirdly

It's also a common drop on the first A-Rank free mission

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

MarquiseMindfang posted:

You make it from Baldur's Edge II, weirdly

It's also a common drop on the first A-Rank free mission

The Dreadnought?

MarquiseMindfang
Jan 6, 2013

vriska (vriska)

MonsterEnvy posted:

The Dreadnought?

e; wait is that the digger? If so no, it's the big swordman you control in that one mission.

Looked it up. Rebellion.

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

https://www.play-asia.com/blog/2019/10/01/daemon-x-machinas-roadmap-of-updates-i-check-it-here/


Updates incoming with pvp mode soon, only 1v1 and 2v2 though!

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
Hell yeah

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


I just ordered a Switch and this is one of my first games to get with it, excited for some anime Armored Core.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Slightly dead thread ! - but I'm on the last story mission and it's hard as hell, anyone have any tips?

I'm enjoying the co-op missions a lot with a buddy, though my lightweight Arsenal build sometimes struggles with some longer missions - I'm running an Assault Rifle/Sniper and twin Machine Guns on the pylons.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
Twin bazookas makes everything easier ime

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

Flipswitch posted:

Slightly dead thread ! - but I'm on the last story mission and it's hard as hell, anyone have any tips?

I'm enjoying the co-op missions a lot with a buddy, though my lightweight Arsenal build sometimes struggles with some longer missions - I'm running an Assault Rifle/Sniper and twin Machine Guns on the pylons.

if you are on the last last final boss:

no guns except one bazooka arm, all laser def you can muster and a good throwing arm for non-bazooka arm.
Zoom around the bottom pit and grab on to the weird barrels and hurl those fuckers in the face of the whatever it's called.
Bring a healy shoulder thing maybe.


But if you're not at the boss yet, yeah, dual bazookas are good for both locking down and killing things, I also like the fire and forget missiles, most of them will miss but you can keep shooting forever. Dual assault rifles or machineguns can also poo poo out dece damage, but bazooka is king ime.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Ime? What does that mean?

Also do the ally wingman mercs have any abilities? Their costs seem wildly different or is it just a credit sink?

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Oh poo poo a thread.

Don't get why people are sour on the train escort, it rules, just a giant mobile clusterfuck of a gunfight across a desert where your switching targets constantly

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

Flipswitch posted:

Ime? What does that mean?

Also do the ally wingman mercs have any abilities? Their costs seem wildly different or is it just a credit sink?

In my experience.

For the free missions wingmen are useless enough that you don't need them most of the time, I don't think they take your money if you solo multiplayer missions though.

EDIT: Actually they are not really useless as such, but the cost is pretty high.

Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe
The train mission isn't bad. It's the one a mission or two after I'm stuck on (where it basically turns into a 1v5 as your allies die so fast.)

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

If you are having trouble, jump into multiplayer to get better gear be it immortal weapons or arsenal gear. You can join the nintengoons discord and ask there if you need help but ymmv on goon availability.

EDIT: At some point I just went for chonkiest build with most bazooka and uh, well, except for a few missions it worked out pretty well!

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Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
Pretty interesting. All it has to do is be more balanced and have decent AI. Two things From Software has never improved upon.

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