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Free for all spoilers, if you get spoiled reading this thread then that's on you buddy
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Sep 22, 2019 12:54
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I think I'm in the minority here, but honestly, I found it hard to like a lot of the characters. I know I should feel bad for Mizuki, no one should have to go through that, but most of the time she just grated on me. Ota is just plain terrible. Because of that a lot of the emotional beats didn't really resonate with me. Mayumi's somnium was heartbreaking though. I kept saving repeatedly during it, I really didn't want to have to play that more than once. Odd though it might sound, I'm also sad that Renju couldn't be saved. He was obviously a bad parent, but I don't think he was a bad person, given the way most people seemed to remember him fondly. I wish we'd gotten some more information on his relationship with Pewter; I'm wondering why Pewter didn't say anything and suffered in silence instead.
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Sep 22, 2019 20:39
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Gonna ask you to spoiler that last bit, because it doesn't seem to get mentioned until way late into the game. EDIT:  I'm in the wrong thread. Sorry.
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Sep 22, 2019 20:41
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Second command confirmed 
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Sep 22, 2019 21:48
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I liked everyone in the end, even Pewter who was a piece of poo poo on the true ending path because he's your bff to the bitter end on the other side when Renju is dead and he wants revenge. I just wish he hadn't been so easily manipulated into doing terrible things. 
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Sep 22, 2019 21:49
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Regy Rusty posted:I liked everyone in the end, even Pewter who was a piece of poo poo on the true ending path because he's your bff to the bitter end on the other side when Renju is dead and he wants revenge. I just wish he hadn't been so easily manipulated into doing terrible things. It's funny how your best friends in this game aren't who you've been friends with in the past. It's who backs you when the cards are against you.
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Sep 22, 2019 21:52
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Azathoth256 posted:It's funny how your best friends in this game aren't who you've been friends with in the past. It's who backs you when the cards are against you. Or well...Since it's date, whoever can hold their nose the best.
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Sep 22, 2019 21:53
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Regy Rusty posted:I liked everyone in the end, even Pewter who was a piece of poo poo on the true ending path because he's your bff to the bitter end on the other side when Renju is dead and he wants revenge. I just wish he hadn't been so easily manipulated into doing terrible things. I feel sorta bad that the gay guy is a villain, gets a bit of a raw deal in the true ending and everyone glosses over how he got manipulated by a psychopath who was in the body of his ex-lover. Dude got a super raw deal considering he’s a bro in the “Don’t try to solve Mizuki’s mental trauma with more mental trauma” path. Also I ended on the true ending path on my first run where you learn Iris has a brain tumour and then got plotlocked. Having to do Iris’s route immediately after where you humour her deranged mental paranoid creations caused by a malignant brain tumour really sours that path and made me feel lovely throughout in a good way. Like oh my god. This game can get really really dark. Also having done Iris side iris somnium and then doing Saito Iris somnium shouldve topped me off that something fucky was going on. I love the whole pulling aspects from other routes aspect of Uchikoshi games. I thought that it was the Wadget system encouraging the cross path knowledge through like weird subconscious linking/interaction with Aiba but I guess they never explain it. Dance mode is great.
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Sep 22, 2019 21:56
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So, would anyone say there's an "ideal" route to take through the game? The right side kind of felt like it was meant to be the first route you go down, with more explanations for what's going on, but the left has a lot of things like PSYNCIN' IN THE VaiN that would have more impact if they're done first. How many plot locks are there in all? I only saw two, on the Annihilation and Resolution routes. Hwurmp fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Sep 22, 2019 21:59
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I went left at every opportunity, and it was loving horrifying.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:04
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I mean, if there's an ideal route. That ain't it.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:07
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Hwurmp posted:So, would anyone say there's an "ideal" route to take through the game? The right side kind of felt like it was meant to be the first route you go down, with more explanations for what's going on, but the left has a lot of things like PSYNCIN' IN THE VaiN that would have more impact if they're done first. I think it’s more natural to go the route where you cure Mizuki and don’t makw her go through mental trauma in her dream. That was a bit of a dick move. I went on Resolution Route for my first one which was a bit trippy. Maybe Oda is the first once considering it has a feel good ending and has the stinger about the Eyeball in Renju’s body and another thing that’s slippibg my mind. Mizuki May also be a good pick since you’re most likely want to support her in your first immediate playthrough as your daughter figure. Iris route is really depressing when you realise you’re just enabling her malignant brain tumour thoughts. Let alone the ending where she loses an eye.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:10
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Aside from the ending dance I think the part I cheered at hardest was when Moma is the first one to burst in and save you from Saito. I yelled MY BOY and jumped up, I really hadn't expected him to be one of the ones showing up but I'm so glad he was.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:13
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Regy Rusty posted:Aside from the ending dance I think the part I cheered at hardest was when Moma is the first one to burst in and save you from Saito. I yelled MY BOY and jumped up, I really hadn't expected him to be one of the ones showing up but I'm so glad he was. Yeah, I was expecting Moma to be a total shitbag, but he certainly surprised me.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:15
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I also loved that while the game was pretty gory, they saved one of the absolute goriest parts for killing Saito. I couldn't stop laughing when his head blew off leaving the gross bloody stump. gently caress that guy whose face we were in the whole game
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Sep 22, 2019 22:16
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I was not expecting to watch Iris getting sawed in half in the Annihilation Route. That poo poo was gory as hell. I guess after Akame chainsaw I shouldn’t have been surprised but they didn’t hold back the gore and misery. Seeing Saito’s head blow up was indeed the best though especially since you’re likely to be going from Annihilation Route which is super depressing and makes you want to deck the guy. Also when he gets angry at you for stealing his body when he was the idiot to bodyswitch for the lulz after hearing about it from Falco. They really go out of your way to make you hate the bastard.
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Sep 22, 2019 22:21
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Regy Rusty posted:Aside from the ending dance I think the part I cheered at hardest was when Moma is the first one to burst in and save you from Saito. I yelled MY BOY and jumped up, I really hadn't expected him to be one of the ones showing up but I'm so glad he was. extremely 
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Sep 22, 2019 22:22
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I went left first and did Psyncin' in the VaiN as my first non-Mizuki Somnium and honestly I feel like it's a much better direction to go. All of the hints that solve what happens in the left side are in the right side, with a lot of it happening before the lock as well, while most of the left-side exclusive mysteries are brought up and solved in the left side without affecting the right side. Doing left side first also made me suspect as gently caress of just about everyone in the game since I got the boss video lock as my very first path, meaning that by that point Iris, Boss, Ota, So, etc were all super suspicious of their own stuff, but since the other psync machine, let alone the "oh you can mind-swap" thing isn't brought up in the left branch at all, it's just a good mystery you can theorize about, but not actually solve. Doing right side first basically just spoils the biggest mystery in left side. Also Mayumi might be my favourite character in the game, I disliked her at first and Ota is still a piece of poo poo, but man the entire thing with Ota being a worthless piece of poo poo that doesn't realize all the awful poo poo he does to his parents by virtue of being a child (and then man-child) while Mayumi struggling to make ends meet and then also having dementia was incredibly touching. I hate Ota's Somnium though, that one was irritating as hell. fakedit: also i 100% thought from the aiba simulation bits that the wadjet system was jsut simulating every reality other than the true one which is how date could "see" the other timelines but uhhhhh guess he's just a shifter Polderjoch fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Sep 22, 2019 23:06
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I feel like this is gonna be a case where the fans think more about the shifting and how he gains information from other timelines than the writers since the game doesn’t give anything. Also maybe I’m an idiot but I was still suspicious as gently caress of everyone even though I did Iris route to completion first. Yeah the parallel worlds, the eye losing and the experimental psync machine are in Iris route but those don’t really contribute towards fully solving the body-swapping mystery and I still thought that Oda was the Polar bear ala the sockpuppeting he did before. I did not expect dementia to come into a story and it took me by surprise. Mayumi’s somnium was tearjerking but heartwarming at the same time. She really is just a mum trying to do her best for her son. At least Ota sorta gets his poo poo in shape in Oda and Resolution endings. Also why no Boss and Pewter endings? They were cool and awesome.
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Sep 22, 2019 23:36
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jimmydalad posted:
Huh I cottoned on to the fact that Mayumi had dementia from her very first scene. She's constantly talking about her husband being just offscreen and running an empty restaurant so I figured she was stuck in the past and couldn't remember things properly.
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Sep 22, 2019 23:45
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Regy Rusty posted:Huh I cottoned on to the fact that Mayumi had dementia from her very first scene. She's constantly talking about her husband being just offscreen and running an empty restaurant so I figured she was stuck in the past and couldn't remember things properly. I just took that to mean her husband was stuck in some shady poo poo relating to the murders or something. Also yeah no Boss or Pewter endings is the worst thing, especially since I believe they're also the only two relatively major characters we never enter the Somnium of, aside from Renju and Shoko who are already dead, and Mama and Moma who are more supporting anyway. Actually just to keep it straight since it gets confusing to me, we enter: Mizuki, Iris (twice), So, Hitomi, Date (thrice, technically), Saito (twice), Rohan, Ota, and Mayumi. So no Boss or Pewter, no Shoko and Renju for obvious reasons, and no Mama or Moma I guess because they weren't relevant enough. Polderjoch fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Sep 22, 2019 |
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Sep 22, 2019 23:47
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Oh and the years old calendar was a big tipoff too
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Sep 22, 2019 23:55
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So is there a list of the side endings floating out there? i've only seen all the main endings and a couple where Date just gets killed for whatever reason.
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Sep 23, 2019 00:46
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psychoJ posted:So is there a list of the side endings floating out there? i've only seen all the main endings and a couple where Date just gets killed for whatever reason. You missed the best ending, which is where Date gets a girlfriend and goes on vacation.
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Sep 23, 2019 02:35
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I thought bait and switch of Iris and Manaka was pretty cool in retrospect. Having played the Zero Escape series beforehand, you are sort of expecting weird time shenanigans to happen because that’s just the style of the game. In fact, Iris’s route would probably be 100% legitimate serious with Naix and everything if it was in a Zero Escape like game. It helps makes it easier to believe Iris and makes the deconstruction and the reveal of the brain tumour that much stronger and helps sort of prime the player into recognising that it’s probably not going to play by exactly the same rules. The entire right side pre resolution unlocking really stuck with me and I didn’t even realise that it was an entirely different person until it was explained to me by Aiba. Come to think of it, pretty much everyone you somnium into has a traumatic history, some form of memory loss or brain damage except for Ota. Maybe that’s why his somnium is much for fanciful and light-hearted than the rest of the somniums in the game.
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Sep 23, 2019 08:11
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oh my god what a game the ending dance had me simultaneously in tears and cheering, it was so wonderful! after what was often a super dark game (porno mags aside) i'm surprised the true ending was ultimately so positive.
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Sep 23, 2019 09:34
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two things, though where did the game mention that pewter and renju were lovers? I must have missed that also why did saito swap into rohan to begin with? what did he have to gain
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Sep 23, 2019 11:23
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Overwatch Porn posted:two things, though I forget at what point it was mentioned, but Mama talks about a fight that came about when Renju and Date got in a fight because Date accidentally spilt alcohol onto Renju’s watch which was a special gift that was given to him by his lover after he divorced Shoko which he valued more than his life or something like that. In Iris Route I believe, Mana mentions that an informant that she arranged to meet Iris and Date to discuss Renju was Pewter but uses his real name and mentioned that he was the one that gave Renju the watch. As for the latter, from what I can remember, after torturing Falco in Rohan and learning about everything that was going on with that fiasco of bodychanging and psync machines, Saito was pretty much like “oh cool that sounds fun. Let’s try it lol.” And then got the Kamakuras to steal the experimental psync machine so that they could bodyswap. Essentially a case of chaotic stupid with Saito. Dude was nutters.
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Sep 23, 2019 12:55
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I think it’s weird that they didn’t do more with the alternate timeline stuff. There’s evidence alt timelines exist but the only one to specifically call it out is the girl with a brain tumor who thinks satanists in league with the AI from space are out to get her. I loved the game though, and loved every character Edit: I kinda love that all the stuff Iris was talking about on the Lemniscate YouTube channel turned out to just her own brain tumor delusions.
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Sep 23, 2019 15:29
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Overwatch Porn posted:where did the game mention that pewter and renju were lovers? I must have missed that Somewhere on the Resolution path you can ask Pewter why he helped #89 escape, and he'll say it was because Renju asked him.
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Sep 23, 2019 16:55
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Hwurmp posted:Somewhere on the Resolution path you can ask Pewter why he helped #89 escape, and he'll say it was because Renju asked him. Also the watch was important to renju because his lover gave it to him Turns out pewter gave him the watch Edit: here’s the dance number. Unrelated. https://youtu.be/jvQTmwiukq4 Gutcruncher fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Sep 23, 2019 17:41
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Pewter also calls Renju "someone that I love" when you're interrogating him.Gutcruncher posted:Edit: here’s the dance number. Unrelated.  um
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Sep 23, 2019 23:01
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the power of dance cures all ills
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Sep 23, 2019 23:25
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confirmed: Hitomi is Naixatloz
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Sep 23, 2019 23:37
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Can’t wait for the sequel where Hitomis arm is now an AI prosthetic. Edit: Aiba and Aiarm can fall in love and it makes things weird between Date and Hitomi. I love the images of Iris in the hospital bed still wearing her metal cat ears. Was fully expecting those to have actually been fused to her head or something stupid/awesome Gutcruncher fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Sep 23, 2019 |
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Sep 23, 2019 23:43
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I wonder what happens in some of the other endings. Mizuki's and Ota's end on relatively positive notes but in Mizuki's while Saito at least is dead, So is gonna wake up in Iris's body so that's gonna be weird. And then in Ota's the same is true but Saito is also still alive in Boss's body.
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Sep 23, 2019 23:53
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I'm close enough to the end to feel like posting here. Can't believe everything happened because of  COP CRIMES
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Sep 23, 2019 23:57
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Hayato, for god's sake stop flashing back to things we could figure out, the bad guy's about to kill everyone.
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Sep 24, 2019 00:01
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sorry I need to run down the complete list of 5,483 personal reasons why I don't want this man to murder these two women
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Sep 24, 2019 00:06
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Constant pointless flashbacks to things you definitely remember from a handful of minutes ago are an inescapable  storytelling tradition
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