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Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

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Taear posted:

I will say that it's weird that when Mindy had the whole medium place thing you'd think the Good Place would be suspicious that nobody at all had been through to them for ages.
I know Jeremy Bearimy but still.

Well, given that the whole theory behind the new experiment is that the system that judges people is fundamentally flawed and is too harsh and holds people accountable to an absurd degree, it makes sense given that it wasn't until Michael saw how these four terrible humans became good people that anyone saw a problem with the system.

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Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
When is someone going to finally say "you know what? You've convinced me, I was wrong?"

I feel like the danger with a show that had one really amazing twist is that everyone gets hooked on the twist, but they missed the execution.

In the first season, finding out that they were in the bad place made perfect sense and it built on all the previous events. The story you watched was still the same, it's just that something more was added to it.

A bad twist would undermine the events you watched, and just be a fake out just to be a fake out.

There's too many scenes where Michael is genuine with Eleanor that him being an imposter requires you to come up with a reason why he would do the things he did.

I think one of the themes of this episode is that goodness is something that you have to keep working towards. Eleanor is facing a new test, and she reverted to old behaviors. But she had changed - she realized what she was doing was wrong and why.

I mean, we can try to construct twists, but haven't you learned anything from the first two episodes and Sylvia? This may all be fake, but it appears real. Shouldn't we act as if it is?

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I saw an episode and it was... unremarkable.

A lot of the jokes felt very lazy and it seemed to lack any spark. I'm not really sure what they were going for.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I thought Jason's smile when he hugged Janet was suspicious. It wasn't right. But I knew Jason couldn't be faked because he solved the word search in the best way possible!

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I think Glenn legitimately believed, but Shaun wouldn't care if he told anyone because it would cause the humans to doubt Michael. I don't think it's impossible he knew what Glenn was doing. And Bad Janet didn't stop him because she knew it was fine.

That's why she blew him up.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
Yeah, but none of the chaos has teeth, everywhere.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
What if it is Michael in a Vicki suit in a Michael suit and he didn't want to take off two suits because Michael discovered that humans are really sweaty and he's embarrassed.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Is "getting arrested to protest climate change" positive or negative Good Place points?

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1187784134887796737?s=19

According to the ideal system, or what's currently in place?

Because he required the use of plastic handcuffs, he took up someone's time with unpleasant work, and he required the use of paper.

If it were up to me, it'd be a lot of points.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
Also remember, our Janet is a super advanced Janet.

Also, as far as the other humans, I think the show isn't putting a lot of focus on them because the show ultimately isn't about them, but rather, the original team cockroach, and how they've grown and changed.

We are here to watch Eleanor grow as a leader, Tahani to learn humility, and Jason to keep throwing Molotov cocktails!

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I think one minor moment was Brent hitting the golf balls. It suggests that there is a willingness to grow, it's just that he's unwilling to accept what he's done.

I don't think it's going to come back, but it just reminds you how well crafted the show is.

I think a big lesson here is that if you don't challenge anyone, you end up going nowhere. Brent wants people to adore him. And they were afraid of breaking Brent's tiny ego that it took an explosion.

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Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?

Sloth Life posted:

Brent is a charicature of a person but still, maybe team cockroach is going to learn that you can't win them all. He is destined straight for hell because he has no willingness to change.

I think that he was out on the links hitting all those golf balls suggests that he has a willingness to change, but he has to get over himself.

The way he behaved was a lot like a child. I wrote a book, reward me! He solved the mystery on page 10! Isn't he awesome!

Though six feet under par is an amazing title. I want to hear more about Chip Driver.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
One thing about Simone is that she might not be bad. It's established that the points system is whack, so maybe she doesn't have a huge personality flaw beyond that of a normal person.

Remember, she's there because the bad place wanted to gently caress with Team Cockroach.

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Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?

Guy A. Person posted:

I feel like it would have come off better if they were just too freaked out about the countdown and in a panic, or even referenced the fact that Tahani and Jason were on their way back with a rope and would be able to handle it better than they could with limited supplies.

There's a pretty big difference between "I don't know how to save this person and am in immediate fear for my own safety standing here" and "this person is just really too awful to be worth me trying to save them" and Simone's point seemed to be uncomfortably closer to the latter.

Remember, hell literally opened up right beneath them. Think about that. You're convinced you're in an experiment, hell opens up and swallows the one really bad guy in your midst. Do you help him, or do you run away?

Helping him is likely to be futile. Running away might work, since they may or may not be omnipresent. And remember, Brett was terrible to them throughout the entire experiment. So, you think you're already damned to hell, you know some weird poo poo is going to go down, do you try to save someone in vain despite all your efforts to make him better, or do you get out of there.

Chidi chose to stay because he couldn't just let Brett died. This is basically a loving trolley-car problem, and Chidi chose to risk his eternal life to try and save some no-good jerk.

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Apr 3, 2007

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Oasx posted:

I wasn’t really feeling this episode, the scene before the opening credits had some really bad writing and felt rushed, but then nothing really happened for the rest of the episode, but I am interested to see what happens next.

Nothing happened?

The judge determined the fate of humanity, an army of Janets appeared, and there was literally a disco Janet!

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I really liked this episode. It was slower, but I think it served as a good reminder of Chidi, and expanded on his character a bit. We got to see the moments that were important to him and the ones that shaped him the most.

And I literally "awe" when the note was revealed. This show broke me.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I don't understand Funko Pops. The heads are all the same except that the women have three eyelashes per eye. But there's no detail or character.

How the hell did they start an empire with such low quality nonsense?

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Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Jason needed more educational assistance than what he got, but what I'm talking about includes issues like severe schizophrenia, psychopathy (or whatever you choose to call a physical inability to feel empathy), and victims of severe brain injuries. Some human brains physically lack the ability to make moral decisions or to sufficiently comprehend the world around them, and ethical philosophies--both religious and secular--don't seem to address these cases very often.

I think it's better left unhandled in a show like this. Erasure is a serious problem, but it's too easy to say some really damaging things with the intention of being respectful.

You have to walk a thin line. You don't want to romanticize their mental illness, nor do you want to patronize them or erase their illness.

I was raised Catholic, and at least the Catholicism I was introduced to basically said that moral choices require you to be able to make that choice. So a person who is suffering from a delusion would not be considered culpable for actions they took while in that state.

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Apr 3, 2007

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Taear posted:

Well there definitely are beginnings and endings because they said it'd take a billion years before anything interesting would start happening if they rebooted.
I know I've said it and Jeremy Bearimy is the answer but I don't like the way they treat time in the show at all.

Well, in our time there are.

I don't know how you can deal with time differently in the show. We're talking about immortal beings outside of the progression of time on Earth dealing with a different reality. It is always going to be a little fuzzy.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I feel like something has to come out of the good place committee. They've been so useless for so long that having all these new people has to create a kink in the system.

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
The problem with the good place is simple - what gives something value? For example, if I like writing music, and in the good place, every song I write is a banger, and it comes easily, then what's the point? Why write music?

What gives us true happiness? A milkshake, or the friends we made along the way? What will you remember?

The good place is all about physical happiness, but it can't give you true happiness. Only milkshakes.

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Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
I wonder if we have it backwards - that it isn't death that gives life meaning but rather it is life that gives death meaning?

After all, if I didn't exist, then what does my continued non-existence mean? It's only by my presence that my absence can be felt.

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