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Raised as generic American evangelical "non-denominational" denomination of Christianity, we were often promised "perfected" bodies in heaven. They weren't shy about disabilities and things being "preserved" in heaven, explicitly you got a "better" bod than on Earth and they weren't concerned with the harms of erasing people's illnesses and disabilities, it was the point.
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Oh my god, sex is obscene -- how could you complain about an obscene display as one half of the source of obscenity!!!!
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Jan 14, 2020 17:17
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Strom Cuzewon posted:That means death has some contribution to life's meaning, but its often used to mean "Death allows life to find a purpose" which comes awfully close to saying that death is a good thing. Yeah, the finality of peoples existence is a huge deal, but death loving sucks. Death loving sucks but it's also very definitely a good thing.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:49
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1glitch0 posted:This is my favorite idea yet. New Game+? No way man, that would be imbalanced and unfair to people who still had to learn and grow that voice from scratch. If there's a new game plus mode for life, they should all have to play together in the same universe server.
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Jan 25, 2020 22:03
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In that system, anyone who has money beyond what they need to survive and live happily is sinning by choosing to hold on to their money rather than use it to ease someone else's suffering!
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Jan 25, 2020 23:13
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Comrade Fakename posted:I get annoyed when sci-fi media acts like death as it exists now is an intrinsic part of life, and in fact a moral imperative, and that attempts to find a way to live forever are inherently immoral. The reality is that death is a bad thing that so far, we’ve had to come to terms with because it’s been unavoidable. It’s stupid that Doctor Who has done this a number of times despite the fact that its lead character is also immortal. What’s good for the Doctor isn’t acceptable for humans, I suppose? You can say "death is bad" but that's not a universal truth. Even ignoring people who want to die, death _is_ an intrinsic part of life. Even a vegan subsists on death, we need death to live ourselves. Death is also important in other ways. I wouldn't want to live in a world where horrible people never die, there is literally at least 1 percent of the human population whose deaths I think would make for a remarkably better life for more people than not. Indefinite life might be cool for good people just doing nice things, but an elective-immortal who enjoys living purely to make others suffer is a bad thing in my book. Every lifeform we know is some Earth poo poo, and life here works around the ebb and flow of species and lives as conditions change, resources deplete, new niches develop, etc. Arguably it's kind of poo poo to view humans as some sort of special animal, or that consciousness in animals is the only thing that makes them worth consideration. We're so closely related to every drat thing that has ever lived and living now, even our own bodies are a weird mixture of different animals and lifeforms. In some sense we are just a flesh golem for our bellyworks' Microscopic Masters. Eternal life might be something more abstract and beautiful than individual selfish units existing in perpetuity to their personal whims. Life being a connected network of disparate species and beings working seemingly independently towards the continual replication and survival of Earth DNA.
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Jan 26, 2020 23:49
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Thranguy posted:The Meta ending: they walk through the door and it's Mike Schur sitting in a chair, and they have a little chat. I would prefer if they walked through the door and just spoke directly to the audience, informing us what we owe to each other and how to be a good person.
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Jan 27, 2020 17:58
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Thranguy posted:It's tough to keep paradise working when more than one person is involved. Simone has been fine every time they break up, she doesn't need Chidi and certainly wouldn't buy into notions about predestination or soulmates or anything. Eleanor and Chidi have been through many lives together, it would be obvious from the outside it's an unusually strong bond and who wants to inherit that baggage even if they could?
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Jan 29, 2020 17:02
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Man. The first time I watched this show, halfway through I was like "lemme guess, they're in hell all along" and then that was the twist and I don't know, I wrote the show off thinking like it was just a really saccharine family network comedy that wasn't for me, I had to have been doing something else at the same time. I even told a few of my friends to not watch it, argued about it a few times online. I'm full of dumb and bad opinions but that's the wrongest I've ever been about a piece of media. I'm glad I actually sat down and re-watched it, it quickly became one of my favourite shows that just always stayed good and I made penance by recommending it to everybody in general. I've never cried so hard or so much at a show. I think this just hit me in a lot of ways I was unprepared for, even though I was suspecting it given last episodes introduction of the non-existence option. There was normal sadness from saying goodbye to characters and stuff, but just more personally it's a strange thing to examine from that angle. It hits hard seeing someone become complete, fulfilling something, being a person made of holes - it's seeing a thing I work so hard to even avoid conceptualizing the possibility for myself. Then when Chidi was staying around because of Eleanor, I mean, I would unequivocally state that the only reason I allow my continued existence is because I know my willful absence would hurt the people who love me. I'm still struggling to name the emotion, I know it was manifest mostly through tears. This finale made me feel a lot of different some type of ways, but just in-universe, this was as happy and perfect an ending as I could imagine for everyone. Kind of the sweetest and most logical conclusion of "living happily ever after," except, you know, being undead transitioning to true oblivion ever after infinite self-actualization instead. Mokinokaro posted:Tahani was kind of a twist. What's to find out? We do know what's behind the door -- nothing. Literally, nothing. Isn't that the whole point? There's nothing to show, it would be physically impossible for them to even depict true "nothing." Even a blank black or white screen would still be "something." I think trying to depict "nothingness" would be self-defeating, any depiction they chose would kind of open up questions and muddy the concept. Khanstant fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 08:28
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Kegslayer posted:You might feel that you've accomplished all you've set out to do in life but I can tell you for a fact that the hole you leave in your absence will never, ever be filled. Eleanor should have looked at that calender and then broken down forever because hey, that's what happens in real life. You can't tell anyone that, you've only lived a fraction of your mortal life so far, and at best you will live for only as long as your entire life. These people are already dead, real life is over, they're in a metaphysical world. The door is not the same thing as suicide, suicide is an abrupt end because the pain of existing _in life_ got to be too much for someone, and they leave knowing the hole it will leave.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:30
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Taear posted:Heaven is pretty poo poo if you want to end your existence after being there. What do you even mean? What kind of heaven would you not want to end after some infinity percentage of infinity? The only ones I can think of are ones where your agency is literally robbed from you. Like, sometimes Christian heaven is described as just kind of melting into God's glory and we, here on Earth, are just supposed to trust and imagine that "being in God's glory" is way more than the Word says it's cracked up to be. Yes, this system is human. I would argue that's a good thing. Name a religion or metaphysical belief more kind and just than the system in the finale. I really don't think there is one.
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Jan 31, 2020 17:44
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PostNouveau posted:The Judge's pop culture obsession isn't funny, and brings up questions about how pop culture can keep her entertained for so long and why she's so eager to erase all existence. Her obsession is essentially just with human art, and the question of why we now or ever made art is the kind of question without an answer besides making more art. Judge doesn't have human brain or our perception of time, so I'm not sure duration-based concerns are very applicable?
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Feb 2, 2020 00:29
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Mr. Powers posted:The Good Place has ruined TV. I'm watching a dumb TV show right now that could have had a deep analysis of whether or not criminality is in one's nature or comes from environmental factors. Instead it had the shallowest of references to the question, and then did the whole TV show thing (of purely being entertainment) That's a super boring question that you basically figure out in middle school the first time they teach human development, and possibly just by reading that question for the first time ever.
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Feb 6, 2020 23:15
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Sleeveless posted:Sitcoms then: The ending sucked, it was a glorified clip show. Anyone who doesn't think this afterlife was perfect just needs to go through the system. They'll chill out after X bearimys. pile of brown posted:Have you really never heard anyone who believes any version of "bad people do bad things?" Because they are very real Yeah, I've heard of that but it's just wrong so idk what to do with it. Nature/Nurture is a baby question, the actual answers are entertainingly complicated but it always boils down to it not being an either/or thing to begin with. Environment informs genetics, genetics inform the environment, and realistically, your gut bacteria likely play an equal role to the other things as well.
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Feb 7, 2020 16:38
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:My nitpick is that the ending should have had them be married for either like 45 bermies or else like 45,000 bermies. Like it being some unimaginable fantasy unit of time it should have been either like they were married a normal number of years, but like, fantasy years that are trillions of years long, or some number that is so extremely huge on top of the unit being huge that it sounds like forever. Like I hated it being like 340 bearmies before they started to leave because it was just a unrelatable number and made it feel like it had only been a week. What? I thought the idea of a Bearimy was that one of it was a fantasy quadfinity krajillion "years" of length. Living one bearimy is already unfathomably long, 2 or more are overkill already.
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Feb 14, 2020 20:45
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DontMockMySmock posted:TGP ends up sidestepping the issue, and sort of solving it by accident. But they never address it, and in a show about morality in the context of the Christian afterlife (I know they say it's not exactly like Christianity but i mean come on) it seems like a big oversight not to talk about the BIG question of the morality of the Christian afterlife. In Christianity, God sees sin as a binary state all humans exist in. To Christian God, you and Hitler are equally sinful and neither of you could possibly deserve to exist near his glory. The only human conclusion I could think for a show to examine is that God itself is evil. A great message and theme to explore... but probably not on network TV? Maybe watch Preacher? They do angst versus an obviously poo poo God much harder than TGP ever would.
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Feb 25, 2020 22:41
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quote:Death is really bad This isn't as self-evident as people who say it think it is. Plus, I also outright disagree. Death is dope. The bad part of death is that you are sad when someone you love does it and also some people are super ascared of it for themselves. Other than that, it's pretty much a very, very, good thing. I love to eat, and live, and breathe and death is fundamentally a major player in all of those things.
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Feb 26, 2020 19:07
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It's kind of weird to frame our morality in this hypothetical of a magic immortality somehow arising (oh but it's science somehow..okay). Immortal beings fundamentally, in every way, wouldn't even be humans. Human morals and ethics are for humans. We tend to not moralize other species' behaviour, why do it to impossible non-humans we imagine?
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Feb 27, 2020 20:02
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[quote="Mulva" post="502838195"] I mean not really. The material causes of 'aging' and cell death are known, we are beginning to handle cell manipulation, and we have examples of other forms of life that aren't subject to cell death in the same way we are. This leads to the question "Is there any biological need for death?". And the answer is "No." Where are you getting the answer to be "no?" What are you defining as "need." Nothing ever needs anything, need is meaningless without specified or implied parameters and I don't know which you're using to answer this question and wind up with no. Another thing about this immortality, are we assuming we're also invincible? Can I go swim around inside a sun or would that destroy me, and if so, isn't that option basically just being mortal with a better chance of collecting Social Security?
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