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Caufman
May 7, 2007

Kegslayer posted:

As one of the other posters pointed out, Tahani was the only person who understood the point of the show. Nobody should be forced to suffer for eternity but we have a responsibility to help and be good to the people around us.

Concur. My wife and I said nearly the exact same thing. We also thought that it was as selfish of Chidi to want to leave when Eleanor was not ready as it was for her to want him to stay. But maybe that's the distinction between spouses and eternal boyfriend/girlfriend. We can imagine only walking through the door together or never at all.

flatluigi posted:

I really don't know how so many of you could've watched the entire run of this show and insist it's loving advocating suicide

It's really just the last couple episodes with the introduction of the exit door that's rubbed us the wrong way. Although it made a difference that the last scenes shows that when a human passes through the door, they don't become nothing; they become positive energy falling on the Earth like rain. But that's not what the people seek when they walk through the door. They appear to seek quietus.

Ultimately, though, I'm only half-surprised that all professional reviewers I've seen have had only positive things to say about the finale. It is still a good and humane show, even if these last episodes did not land for us as it did for seemingly most other watchers.

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Caufman
May 7, 2007

VideoGames posted:

The episode turned me into a big old good mess and I loved it. It capped off a wonderful show in a thoughtful and human way. I cannot think of many shows that a) get to choose when to go out and b) stick the landing, but this one did.

I love that they (the characters) got to control their own finality. That is something that truly resonates with me. I mentioned earlier, but the idea of eternal happiness never really made sense (and still not entirely) so having some thousands of bearimys to experience everything good and reach a form of eternal peace sounds wonderful to me.

People who are saying in this thread, but you could do this and that and so forth are right. You, the poster saying it, could. You have not reached your point where you are content, and the show cannot essentially show multiple infinities of time other than the placard so we have to take it as read that all these things you came up with that they could still do they have done. They reached that happy completion and are ready to become the ocean again.

It is utterly beautiful and meaningful to me. :)

Contentment is only one part of the function of life. Another part is responsibility, which is a Good Place theme. I think they went for the surprise reveal that going through the door is returning to Earth in a different form, something able to even more directly change the course of a person's behavior for the better by simple contact. Because they did not know that was what was happening, there was something that felt oddly selfish about the desire to walk through the door when there was no known need or benefit in doing so and some pain caused by it on the people left behind or who cannot pass. It would be courageous to walk through the door if you knew it would return you to Earth as benevolent energy but you did not know what that would feel like, as it could be like the cessation of personal consciousness, which is scary. Then you can fulfill your wishlist and face the door which you knew was ultimately good for the universe but uncertain on what that's gonna be like.

It's still a good show, and endings are always hard, and the world of The Good Place is not the same as our reality, of course. Over there, you can have magical eternal beings solve the problem of bad human behavior on near-automatic. Our reality still requires ongoing human participation in order to fix. And, all throughout, The Good Place encourages this.

Caufman
May 7, 2007

Malcolm Turnbeug posted:

Actually tahini has simply been further entrapped in Samsara by her connections to this world ya dinks

Nice try, bad Janet. A bodhisattva can cross to the other shore at any time but stays in Samsara to show others the way.

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