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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Caphi posted:

So Mike Schur's big answer is that he's reinvented Hinduism and/or Buddhism?

you might try reading anything at all about either of those religions

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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Jason needed more educational assistance than what he got, but what I'm talking about includes issues like severe schizophrenia, psychopathy (or whatever you choose to call a physical inability to feel empathy), and victims of severe brain injuries. Some human brains physically lack the ability to make moral decisions or to sufficiently comprehend the world around them, and ethical philosophies--both religious and secular--don't seem to address these cases very often.

yeah, no. scholars have treated this conundrum as a first class issue for millennia

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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When I saw the CYBERTRUCK billboard in Bad Janet's void I stood up from my chair and did an NFL touchdown dance. That is the hardest I have laughed at a joke in a long time. It is just perfection.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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the thing i like about their elon jokes is that they are part of a larger number of jokes in the show that make fun of relatively obscure examples of douchebaggery. the cybertruck reference is extra good because it still be enjoyed by the members of the general public who can laugh about "oh, ha ha, bad janet would totally love the big fuckoff spaceman truck". meanwhile the people who understand the stupidity of elon musk get to enjoy it on a completely different level

the only problem i have with the cybertruck joke is that it's pretty much impossible to explain to people who don't watch the show :lol:

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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he got the word wrong but the general gist of what he's saying is pretty spot-on. the good place committee has made me cringe nearly every time they show up

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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It seems like it's been a very long time since there has been a full episode without something completely bonkers happening. It makes me suspicious. I am curious if Vicki will hold up her end of the deal. I'm also curious what the gang is going to find once they finally get to the Good Place.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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It's from when Eleanor went back to earth and visited her mom.

https://thegoodplace.fandom.com/wiki/Chapter_33:_A_Fractured_Inheritance

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Taear posted:

The guatama buddha was on Chidis list but he lived before the cutoff point! Surely he's in the good place already?
Or who knows since he was definitely living a lie since a religion is wrong (other than Doug)

it might be a reincarnation joke

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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the good place is not heaven

the catholic church doesn't unequivocally condemn deaths by suicide to hell

dead people cannot commit suicide

the explanation they gave of the door is not how buddhists talk about nirvana

please read books

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Sleeveless posted:

Seeing people who are terrified of their own mortality trying to nitpick this show is hilarious. One day you will die, perception will end forever, you will cease to be. No amount of begging and pleading with an invisible sky wizard will change that. The idea of an afterlife is at best a comforting fiction and at worst sheer denial of the inevitable. This show has already rejected all known religions and deities, why get pissy now at the idea.that there isn't going to be some last minute swerve to assure viewers that they can ignore confronting their own mortality in lieu.of believing in an afterlife?

source your quotes

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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ashpanash posted:

I think the discussion is interesting, but I do want to clarify that the concept that people in the good place would be burnt out and be brain zombies after infinite pleasure is a good one, and a very natural place for the show to start mining stories from.

I can't speak for anyone else, but what felt off to me was the proposed solution - and not simply because the implication was effectively (and perhaps, actually) suicide, but rather because it seemed so counter to the message the show has been delivering for four seasons now, without even acknowledging that. And I also want to stress that this all could change on Thursday.

PostNouveau posted:

I mean it's gotta be suicide. They control all space and time at this point. The judge (who appears to be the closest thing to a singular God as the show has) was about to erase everyone an episode ago, and everyone was desperately fighting against that. They weren't like "Well, we don't know what will happen when you erase us all what a neat mystery".

Ending the show with all the characters doing the Midsommar old person swan dive off a cliff.

Dr Christmas posted:

As the series wraps up, I know actually building a cosmology is not what the series was interested in. Still, it bugs me that every supernatural being has been introduced as exclusively concerned with building and maintaining afterlives and not the rest of existence, including the Judge. But also the judge has the unilateral authority to reset the living universe.

are you even kidding me with these grade-school takes. the show has run laps around these comments, for years now, but you're still trying to say this bush-league stuff is relevant

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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VideoGames posted:

I really liked the idea that infinite pleasure means eventually your brain turns to mush as it is one of the biggest reasons I never understood religion when I was at school. I thought that infinite pleasure in heaven/infinite pain in hell would eventually get boring if I was still the human mind I was down here.

We can only deal with something so much until it becomes rote and so the concept of your eternity being determined by a few finite decades seemed weird and unfair -

All of the major world religions have well-established doctrines about the afterlife not being the same as life on earth. Christians have the idea that we are given "heavenly bodies" which are not the same as our earthly bodies. Some schools of Buddhism have the idea that in nirvana, our consciousness actually ceases to be our own and melds/blends with everything else there.

Many religions also don't strictly think you get one shot and you're done. The Dharmic religions all believe in some form of rebirth, so you're forced to live lives forever until you get it right. There's also the idea of purgatory, which in the Catholic version is a place where people who aren't quite able to get into heaven go through some sort of cleansing process. Interestingly, the new system in the Bad Place kind of combines these two ideas, of perpetual trial and a process of cleansing.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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luxury handset posted:

i've always thought of it that heaven would eventually turn into hell for anyone who still had a human, time-limited mindset, and if you became an angel or whatever who was totally jizzing about singing god's praises forever then that's not you anymore so it's not even you in heaven at all

i just explained, in the post of mine you yourself quoted, that christians don't believe anything like this. if you think heaven is some kind of nonstop church service (:psyduck:) and that humans can become angels (:psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:) i really don't think i can help you

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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the dead sea scrolls are not canon in any of the abrahamic religions

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Sub Rosa posted:

Surely the religious community that considered them cannonical was Abrahamic

I was responding to someone who said that the Dead Sea Scrolls had some kind of bearing on how Christians talk about the afterlife. They... don't.

As for your question, answering it properly would require diving into the scholarship around the DSS. Yes, the people who wrote them were some kind of Jewish sect. But this doesn't necessarily say anything about how they viewed their writings. Some of the scrolls and fragments aren't even religious at all, such as the treasure map. If they did consider some of these writings as comparable in canonicity to books in what would eventually become the Hebrew Bible, you would be correct here. But then I feel like we'd also have to talk about how this sect died out like 2000 years ago.

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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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For those of you who can watch it live on NBC, there's going to be a live interview of the cast after the episode :)

(This is Mike Schur's Twitter account:)
https://twitter.com/kentremendous/status/1222925377682792448?s=21

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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silvergoose posted:

That's going to be on Hulu next day too right?

I don't know if the interview will be on Hulu. I would guess that it will show up somewhere for people who can't watch it live, though.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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are they all gonna die :(

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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MY FIANCEE keeps making the aaaaaaaaa noise that Tina from Bob's Burgers makes. She has never made this sound before.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Oct 10, 2010

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chidi was in an old spice ad!!!!!!

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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THE CALENDAR AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Klungar posted:

I had to turn it off there. No way the rest of those toasts aren’t awkward as hell.

they were actually really sweet

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Arist posted:

Also, this show is like, number one with a bullet in terms of humanist media for me

yikes bro

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Rabid Snake posted:

In the concept of the Good Place where you're in "heaven", sometimes its okay to let go into nothingness. Whats wrong with that? It definitely felt like the good place was purgatory where you can work on your character enough to be satisfied. If they're happy with themselves and ready to let go then I don't see a problem in the Good Place

The problem is that goons often go down a rabbit hole of trying to interpret things in an overly literal and mathematical manner, especially when it comes to humanities topics they aren't very familiar with.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Arist posted:

So, first I'd like to say that you escalated the scenario in a way that feels rather hostile, and that's weird. Second, there's absolutely a difference between medicating and deciding "I want my brain to never be sad or bored." There's no version of me that exists without ADHD. It's part of my literal being, and has been for my entire life. "Curing" it would mean fundamentally changing the way I think, act, and exist. The person you would create when you do that would be a different person, and probably in a way much more dramatic than simple aging could match.

But also, if the show ended with the main characters deciding to reprogram their brains so they feel eternal bliss and never want to leave the Good Place, it would be antithetical to its entire modus operandi. This is a fundamentally humanist story. An ending where they decide "this part of the core experience of being alive and aware isn't worth it, let's get rid of it," where they remove part of their base humanity, is a bad ending.

In my opinion it's gross that you keep trying to claim this show as belonging to your personal religious faction. The show very clearly avoids doing this, many times.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Humanism is a religious philosophy and movement.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Arist posted:

Humanism is a philosophical stance heavily associated with secularism in modern times.

It feels like you're knee-jerk reacting to anything vaguely religious, which is hilarious because I'm an atheist.

I have friends who are atheist humanists who are active in humanist and interfaith groups and who write books on the subject. I interpreted your posts with the knowledge I have gained from those relationships and the books they wrote.

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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

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Baller Ina posted:

As someone who didn't watch the Seth Meyers whatever I thought it was great. Jason taking off early made sense as he's always been the weakest character,

He's a simple man. All he needed to complete was his lifelong dreams of living in a hot wings shack and playing the perfect game of Madden. I respect that.

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