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Their contention is that structural forces have made it impossible to be good, so they should see improvement just from removing them from the system. Like they're still not doing good things, but they aren't doing bad things and also contributing to child slavery in the third world while doing them. You look at the results in the end and go "hey they lost 1,000 points this year, but they were losing 10,000 points a year on Earth, so this is a big improvement."
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Oasx posted:It was pretty low of Simone and John to leave while Brent was in the pit. It would be funny if he actually managed to improve as a person more than them. I kept expecting a twist where they like crash through the wall in Brent's Escalade screaming "We figured out we're in the bad place. You have to come with us now"
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Maybe the best Jason episode? He thinks Tahani's accent is a speech impediment!
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This show gonna end on a pro-suicide note with all the main characters committing suicide?
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:After how good this show has been, I think one or more of the characters walking through the suicide door would put a huge damper on the finale for me. I want happy endings. Yeah it's a bold strategy let's see how it works out for them everyone will hate it if this show ends with all the major characters killing themselves
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Jan 24, 2020 15:22
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"Death makes life meaningful" is a dumb platitude.
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Argue posted:No, even in Coco, it was "we don't know where you go" when that happens. It's kind of funny when movies and shows about the afterlife imply the existence of an afterafterlife. There's a good book called The Brief History of the Dead which is about a similar afterlife. The first chapter is a description of the afterlife that's just masterful. The rest of it is also good, it follows the afterlife as people start disappearing from it, and a woman who's a researcher in Antarctica. A plague kills everyone and the afterlife starts shrinking to the point where the dead start realizing she's the last person on earth because everyone who's left knows her.
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ashpanash posted:I can't speak for anyone else, but what felt off to me was the proposed solution - and not simply because the implication was effectively (and perhaps, actually) suicide, but rather because it seemed so counter to the message the show has been delivering for four seasons now, without even acknowledging that. And I also want to stress that this all could change on Thursday. I mean it's gotta be suicide. They control all space and time at this point. The judge (who appears to be the closest thing to a singular God as the show has) was about to erase everyone an episode ago, and everyone was desperately fighting against that. They weren't like "Well, we don't know what will happen when you erase us all what a neat mystery". Ending the show with all the characters doing the Midsommar old person swan dive off a cliff.
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Jan 27, 2020 19:24
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No one can follow Kristen Bell's toast. It was like she had that in the chamber already. haha they cut away right when they were like "hey let's give it up for Mike Shur" and never showed him PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Jan 31, 2020 03:58
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Klungar posted:I had to turn it off there. No way the rest of those toasts aren’t awkward as hell. The rest were generic "I love you it was great working with you"
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Jan 31, 2020 04:03
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joebuddah posted:I liked the ending. My wife didn't, she is one for the fairy tale endings. Did they say how long a Bearimie was in years? I believe 1 Bearimy is equal to all of time
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Jan 31, 2020 04:14
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ashpanash posted:What seemed really jarring and fast last week felt like it had more time to breathe here, and 'the door' became more of a metaphor for death in the real world than it did for suicide. Yeah I think the start through Chidi leaving was a real artistic achievement. I do not love the suicide door or the insipid insistence that death gives life meaning, but I can see why they used these devices to set up what they wanted to say in the first half.
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Jan 31, 2020 05:38
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tarlibone posted:Janet isn't going on without her friends. She straight-up told Jason that she's basically Dr. Manhattan when it comes to... experiencing... time.... Well this one didn't mention it until the very last minute, so very much the Watchmen.
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Jan 31, 2020 15:53
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Kegslayer posted:As somebody who's lost friends and family to suicide, the ending was complete garbage. The suicide door aspect is a black mark on what was otherwise a very good episode about death.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:02
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luxury handset posted:it's not really suicide so much as accepting that as a sentient being you are not intended to exist forever in stasis It's 100% suicide. Them finding a way to write it so that suicide is the "right choice" is irresponsible. The episode is an excellent statement on life and death, but it cannot simultaneously be about characters choosing to die and also not be about suicide. Jason leaving is about the viewer coping with a friend dying. Chidi leaving is about coping with a spouse dying. Eleanor leaving is about coping with your own mortality. This is really clear; I doubt anyone would disagree on this. You can't pivot away from the central message of the episode and say "but no this isn't really about 'death', just a very particular metaphysical trap the characters have been placed in." I'll reiterate: I thought this was a very good episode of television. One of their best. Probably one of the best episodes of TV this season. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Mameluke posted:I dunno. The Good Place waiting until its very final minutes to poo poo itself with ineffable timetravel crap was a lot better than Watchmen doing so 2/3 of the way through I actually don't know when that came up in Watchmen, now that you mention it. It's so central to Dr. Manhattan that it's hard for me to take it from the point of view of someone who didn't know the character going into the show.
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Jan 31, 2020 16:51
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luxury handset posted:it's not suicide really. we think of suicide as an untimely, tragic death based in some aspect of despair but that isn't a choice that means anything in an endless, happy existence where you have all the time you need to come to grips with the inevitability of a conclusion to your existence I mean if it's about a death you choose, then it's suicide. I can see where y'all are coming from about euthanasia, but I don't think they did a good job making it analogous to people who actually need it here in the real world. The characters aren't turning into mush brains, and they aren't saying existence is intolerable to them. For me, it's not hitting that note right. I can see how it might if your personal experiences line up in the right way that you can empathize with the situation, but I think you should also try to see it from the perspective of people whose experiences don't, like the guy upthread who lost someone to suicide and is monumentally pissed at The Good Place right now.
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Jan 31, 2020 18:00
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luxury handset posted:not really, because the nature of the thought experiment makes 'death' itself a questionable term. everyone involved in this episode 'died' in the first episode of the show, or was never really 'alive' at all. our terminology is slippery since the entire narrative is based in hypothetical afterlives and what that would do to the experience of being human Eh, alright look I'll just talk about this personally here. For me, it can't simultaneously be about coping with my mortality but then also I can dismiss it as not being about suicide because it's really about this crazy hypothetical afterlife.
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RBA Starblade posted:So that definitely means the afterlife will eventually empty forever one day right Yes, but a Bearimy is circular, right? I think you're best off not thinking about it too much.
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ApplesandOranges posted:One thing that I wasn't sure about : does Michael remember the parts of the afterlife? There's some ambiguity that suggests he could have (the guitar scene, Michael Realman, etc.) but the whole idea seems to be that he shouldn't have the intention of getting into the Good Place influencing his moral decisions, and that it's maybe the little conscience lights that might nudge him in certain ways (like calling his dog Jason). He must. He's speaking directly to Eleanor at the end.
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Feb 1, 2020 17:10
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Android Blues posted:Man, the Judge has been around since/until forever and seems satisfied with watching TV and listening to new podcasts in perpetuity. The Judge's pop culture obsession isn't funny, and brings up questions about how pop culture can keep her entertained for so long and why she's so eager to erase all existence. Undead Hippo posted:What is the point of the afterlife at all? Why not just have humans fade into nothingness when they die? Why not start with the door? Who does all the loving about in the middle actually help? Oh man, no one tell him about the actual reality we all live in.
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pseudosavior posted:It's fuckin
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I was dying the other day watching the one where they pick pets and Tahani picks a centaur with herself as the human half, and the centaur-hani immediately starts ripping on her.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The major problem with immortality on Earth is, imagine all the horrible people in charge living forever. Because the rich will get that tech first and they’ll hoard it as much as they can. I think this is what "Altered Carbon" is about?
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Feb 26, 2020 18:00
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luxury handset posted:a world where gilded age or earlier aristocrats from centuries ago never relinquished their wealth or power We might be able to cure death from old age, but I bet it will take a few more millennia to cure 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Did Jason really ever do ANYTHING after the first season? He made good comedy relief and this is a comedy show so it's fine, but it feels like he rapidly became totally irrelevant to any of the plot. He's more emotionally intelligent than the rest of them, and his stories about his dance crew often contain the wisdom the crew is looking for. I just rewatched the Time Knife one, and Jason convinces the Judge to take a tour of Earth to see how hosed up it is with a story about his dance crew. He's above all the stakes because he's too dumb to understand how much danger they're in, so he's good comic relief.
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Ishamael posted:There would still be no such thing as immortality because the universe will die eventually, so really you have just delayed death a while. There is no existence without death. We got billions of years to figure that one out. *cut to night before the universe dies out, and I'm frantically mixing beakers of liquid together* "Oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress I should have started on this so long ago why did I wait so long"
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