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NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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team overhead smash posted:

My theory for what happens which i will spoiler because it's so good you'll realise I'm right straight away:

Simone didn't get enough points to go to the good place because she didn't buy into it at all so her motivation was tainted.

John didn't get enough points to go to the good place because the increase from not being a gossip was balanced out by leaving Brent to die in a hole.

Brent will initially not get enough good points to get into the good place because he's a racist jerk who hasn't changed, but the soul squad will argue he was literally a few seconds away from a fundamental change and they'll get to allow the experiment to continue for a minute or two more. It turns out he's about to say "I'm sorry you're so jealous of my success" or something equally ignorant and douchey and still doesn't get enough points to get into the good place.

Following those reveals will chart the course of the next episode with the tension ramping up and the John reveal being the "oh-no, everything's gone wrong, what can we do" moment and the squad will think they're forked even as it moves on to Chidi and it's revealed that he's got enough to go to the good place as he's basically the perfect human being seeing as he constantly risked eternal happiness by helping Jason in secret and overcame his old flaw of not doing anything by punching a racist idiot and then rescuing a racist idiot from a whole (even though he knew it'd cost him his relationship); because 3 losses and 1 win makes it 3:1 to the demons so soul squad's lost, right. Except really that makes no sense as Jen will point out in the last minute twist. Although the rest of the individual humans didn't succeed, that Chidi did revealed that humans do have the potential to improve and become better people. No-one's ever said they have to succeed with all of the humans or even a majority. The afterlife system is overturned, the Bad Place is abolished and Chidi has saved humanity from eternal torment; retroactively making the mind wipe decision the correct one and possibly giving him more good place points than anyone in history.

Everyone lives happily ever after.


If there was only one episode left in the season I'd be all about this theory, but plenty more to go still. Maybe this happens and then it's about fixing the Good Place, which it turns out has its own wild problems to be resolved? I think more likely it's just wild twists and turns from now right through to the end.

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NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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PostNouveau posted:

Maybe the best Jason episode?

He thinks Tahani's accent is a speech impediment!

Alright, I'll do it.

Yeah a pretty drat good Jason episode this week. I think he's definitely had some lines that were insanely funny in some other episodes though that top this one.

And good theory there Bone6, pretty much nailed it there.

NowonSA fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Nov 15, 2019

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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I think the normal thing for what would come next is finishing setting up the new system, a trial run they help supervise, and then team cockroach gets put through it and gets into the good place. That's the conventional route, but I think it's pretty on par for them to bust out the twist of "All this convoluted mass rebooting was your go through the system, and now you've finally passed". Then again, there's no way that so much crazy stuff would be involved in every human's journey to self improvement.

One way or another, despite all the good work they've done improving themselves and the afterlife system, they'll need to go through it to get in, and I fully expect that to be what the last few episodes are about, a fresh mindwipe and into the test they go. I'd get a kick out of seeing them pretty much coast through it and pass the test, and then for Michael to say something like "Yes, and it only took you 974 tries, that's the best anyone's done yet!"

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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I think going through the system is just something that'll need to be done, otherwise they're getting in on what amounts to a weird loophole. I dunno, even if they've clearly earned it I just don't see them getting that pass to the GP.

NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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ashpanash posted:

Yeah, I can imagine that the poorly conceived Micheal-is-jealous-of-Vicki plot is just a setup for the idea that these guys are going to hate endless light entertainment. A vacation from work is fun, but what's the point of existing if the molotov cocktails you throw won't explode?

I kind of like the idea that, ok, they fixed the bad place! Now it's time to fix the *good place*.

I could see that being where they end up in an "and the adventures continue" type of ending. Worth noting that no humans have gotten into the Good Place in something like 500 years, so there's definitely going to be aspects of it that don't really fit their needs since no one there has dealt with new humans in so long. Then again, Jeremy Bearimy and all that might not really be a factor.

Good Place people being complete pushovers might actually help people who live there. If the Molotovs aren't blowing up, tell one of them you want it to and you should get what you want. I'm interested to see what conflicts could arise when the force that would normally resist your arguments instead always immediately caves to your point of view.

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NowonSA
Jul 19, 2013

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I can see suicide door being a sensible immediate solution, and after so long just getting everything they could ever want it may be just what's right for some Good Placers now, but yeah reincarnation door or something seems like a better long-term idea. Kudos to this show though for setting up a scenario where suicide can be presented as a morally justified and "right" choice, that's definitely a hell of a bold move that I didn't see coming at all.

Whether they change what that door does or not, or add in a few more major doors, I have to imagine we're seeing them walking through some doors to end the show. I kind of want them to explore the comic potential of them all linking arms again and then Jason dipping at the last minute and staying behind and the rest just kind of awkwardly stumbling into the doorway.

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