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BioEnchanted posted:I loved the closing lines: It was such a great ending and I think it setting up the endgame for the show. Although knowing this show it will be resolved by the end of next episode. But it seems like we now have Michael and Jason trying to save Janet from the Bad Place, while Eleanor and friends will have to save the experiment by themselves. And that's way enough story for the last several episodes. My guess for the finale: Everyone is finally in the Good Place, they win, everything is fixed, and the last scene is Eleanor and Chidi getting married as soulmates in the Good Place. With Michael officiating.... as his true giant monster squid self. Just spoiler tags in case I'm right. :-)
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itry posted:I thought they said in the first season that a neighborhood has to have a Janet to run? I guess they have a Janet now, but she could blow up the whole neighborhood if she felt like it before they marbelize her. I think blowing up the neighborhood would pretty much make the Bad Place lose. They've already cheated a great deal in the experiment. It'll probably be funnier if Bad Janet has to replace Good Janet and help keep the neighborhood running while being annoyed doing it. But it's pretty much impossible to guess where this show is going.
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bull3964 posted:I think everyone is overlooking the obvious, they are going to get Derek to run the neighborhood until they get Janet back. Good call.
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The_Doctor posted:Chekhov’s wind chimes. The Good Place Season 4 - Chekhov’s wind chimes.
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Tequila25 posted:I have no idea, but on the podcast they say Mike Schur gave the writers sketch pads and asked them to draw a horse and picked the worse one, which was drawn by Josh Siegel (Glen). That scene killed me because several years ago the company I was working for was dying, management did several VERY misguided things to try and boost moral and one was having us all play that game together. Like with no warning. So I'm taken from my desk and thrown in front of all of my coworkers and given the word "camel" and then on a dry erase board I draw the worst camel that has ever been drawn in human history. I think I gave it 3 humps. And I just kept pointing at the humps. But with frantic hand pointing and frantic arrows drawn directed towards the humps. It was the Bad Place. Eventually someone guessed correctly so we could stop. Spoiler alert: the company went out of business and was sold. I'm so happy that poor camel thing I drew didn't have to come to life.
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silvergoose posted:Group morale sessions with active participation and no warning are in my opinion literal torture and should never ever be done to anyone unless yeah it's the bad place I guess. I don't know if you're making fun or not, but everyone involved had deadlines that had to be met within hours and we couldn't go and do our work until we finished this stupid game, while also hearing rumors that payroll wasn't going to be covered for our checks, and I'm trying to draw a camel and get people to guess it so we can all try and go back to work. The Bad Place.
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silvergoose posted:I'm not even remotely joking, a very close friend had something like this happen to her and she was kinda traumatized. gently caress this poo poo. Gotcha, just wasn't sure. It's so bizarre and so unhelpful when companies do it. It really comes off like they're loving with you even though you know the top people in the building decided it would truly help.
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silvergoose posted:Janet becomes god is, I'm pretty sure, something that has already been theorized. "Not God. But yes, I am now in control of all of the afterlife."
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Ishamael posted:It does seem that way, which really leads to the question of WHY this system exists. What is the point of a punishment system where the rules are secret and knowing the rules disqualifies you from playing? If they meet God and it's not Bill Murray I will be disappointed. But I agree with your posts. In real life the religious systems make sense to keep people in line and keep the fear of death out of people's heads. But if it actually existed the entire thing would be ludicrous. Like every American toddler by the age of 6 would be so in the points hole just by playing with plastic toys and eating Happy Meals that they'd have to end slavery or something to even have a shot. Like, for example, Doug Forcett. If it's about how much "good" you put out in the world does he lose points for doing what that kid bully tells him to do if that kid gets confidence about bullying people and ends up killing someone? Is that on Doug? Should Doug have just yelled at him and told him to be better to people? And you're also right about how without knowing the rules, it's just an insane game. Imagine a football game where the players are just placed on the field, given a football and not told the rules. Sometimes the whistle is blown, sometimes it isn't, and you don't even know what the goal is or why the whistle was blown. Maybe the end is they confront God (Bill Murray) and ask him why this entire insane system was set-up in the first place and he just says, "I dunno, I thought it would be funny." And then decides just everyone on Earth, TBP and everything in existence just goes to The Good Place because why the gently caress not?
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Oct 24, 2019 18:32
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BioEnchanted posted:She had some great lines in this episode, not just the "Please, I would never serve finger-sandwiches at a lakehouse." but also that great exchange (although misquoted by me :P): "I wouldn't know whether the salad fork goes next to the... whatever spoon..." "Actually the Whatever spoon is only used in very specific social situations..." I like when she said, "What am I, Welsh!?" And Eleanor was like, "I don't know, are you??" Also, I was also confused that suddenly everyone had their memories returned to them. That seemed really skipped over. I'm happy they did it, but it seems there should have been some... discussion about it instead of it just happening sometime between episodes. As another poster said it's probably just to streamline it when Chidi gets his memories back, but I wouldn't be surprised if we get a flashback to seeing them get their memories back when Chidi gets his back as part of that episode because it seems kinda weird they'd just gloss over such a major thing. BioEnchanted posted:To be fair it makes sense, you can't torture a marble. Of course they'd bring her back once they'd got her to her cell. That seems like more of a nitpick. My new personal mantra is: To be fair, you can't torture a marble.
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The Merkinman posted:Have marbelized Janet go through a real (after)life recreation of Marble Madness. From my experience that's more a torture of the player, but to be fair I can see how it would be a torture for the player and the marble, at least for how good I was at the game. I don't know what the marble felt, but it wasn't getting it's hand pinched every 10 seconds off the stupid ball remote.
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Azhais posted:We don't know he has no willingness to change really. A willingness to do something generally needs to be paired with a reason to do so. Up to this point all signs point to him being rewarded for being exactly as he is, so what actual reason does he have? Yeah the way he acted his entire life got him to where he believes to be literal heaven.
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Taear posted:Eternity is a LONG time to be tortured for even if you killed 6 million people tbh. So here's something to wrinkle your brain. If you're Hitler, do you lose more points for the actual killing of 6 million people, do those lost points not count for you because you didn't personally do it or do you lose points because you prevented those people from the time to gain enough points? Or what if Hitler's actions caused a person's death who would have later ended up blowing up the planet. Does Hitler get points for that? Could Hitler get infinite points for killing a baby that would have grown up to use nuclear bombs to blow up the entire world? This is a very high freshmen dorm room conversation, but it's interesting to think about. And also why the entire system is dumb.
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Of course the experiment was going to end with the double laugh. I never saw it coming, tho.
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Peachfart posted:Yeah, this was pretty hosed up. Abandoning anyone to die in a pit, even if they are an rear end in a top hat, is a horrible thing to do. I would assume the majority of people would help someone in that circumstance. I dunno. I think I would have stayed and helped, but it's not like you're hiking and your friend falls off a cliff. They've been with this irremediable prick for a year and he is STILL being an irremediable prick as he's begging for help hanging in a pit and there's a giant clock in the sky counting down and you have reason to believe you're being screwed with in some weird experiment where you don't know what is going on. I think it's human nature to decide to bail. It's fight or flight. When that clock hits zero they probably didn't want to be near the hellmouth. Only Chidi had the moral fortitude to do it. Remember, Eleanor initially bailed too.
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Guy A. Person posted:I feel like it would have come off better if they were just too freaked out about the countdown and in a panic, or even referenced the fact that Tahani and Jason were on their way back with a rope and would be able to handle it better than they could with limited supplies. Simone does mention she really doesn't want to be there when the clock hits zero. And they seemed pretty panicked. It's not the altruistic choice, but... Side note: Elenaor was even more of a smokeshow than usual in that black dress.
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Gaz-L posted:I think Eleanor's comment that the group split in half is the key here. Chidi made a hard decision to help Brent and Brent finally started to see he was a shitlord. Simone and John bailed. That's 50/50. To use a Jason analogy: Tie game. Overtime, baby. Oh poo poo, I think you're right. It's going to go full circle. They reboot all 7 humans for one last experiment in the Neighborhood. What if it comes down to 3 good, 3 bad, and Eleanor is the tie-breaker for becoming Good and saves all of humanity.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Chiming in to say I would watch Ted Danson do birthday party-level of magic tricks for at least an hour. Tops. Well, they're in the Medium Place. That's where the Neighborhood was built. I think they'll probably find Mindy St Claire's house, tho. I do love the idea they just jumped in a car in a supernatural environment and was like "gently caress it, bail, best option."
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Regy Rusty posted:In any case they've likely been frozen when the experiment ended just like the other two Good point.
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BioEnchanted posted:Yeah, but at least they were still friends after that. I think Simone will have trouble getting Chidi to even speak to her after that stunt. I dunno. He said he respected her opinion, but just didn't agree. It was as friendly as a breakup could be next to a pit to hell with a giant countdown clock in the sky could be.
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One of the funny things I haven't seen mentioned is on Simone's Pepe Silva board she has a post-it note that says "Where's Linda?" Chick was keeping an eye on things.
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MikeJF posted:The judge locked off the portals with one of those old car steering wheel locks after she closed them to stop Janet reopening them and letting more in. I loved that. I had one of those! And also, isn't the right portal to the Bad Place and the left portal to the Good Place? Why did the Good Place committee come through the right portal? I know all the Janets came through both, but for a show so precise it made me  a little. Especially with the way they've portrayed The Good Place committee.
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Vietnamwees posted:Maybe the committee had business to attend to in the bad place before, did you consider that possibility? I did not. I apologize. I resign effective immediately.
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pwn posted:could you please post the image? I don’t see anything spoilery on the iOS app or desktop site It varies for me, but it's usually some variation of Eleanor being surrounded by flames in some way
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boo_radley posted:I made it out ok. The note was great. Funny you mention that. I was just thinking after watching the episode that it was just so eloquent and graceful and how is this the same basic genre as something like The Big Bang Theory which just looks like it was slapped together in an afternoon. Reminded me of one of Dan Harmon's rants during Community where he was kinda just asked himself why they were trying so hard to analyze every story and joke when you can just have the nerd say Bazinga, be home by 4pm and get 20 million viewers. Oasx posted:Confident Chidi is a little scary. For some reason it reminded me of when Neo comes back to life in the hallway and stands up. Even like the little stretching. Also, all the actors are always great, but Chidi and Michael having that conversation before his reboot was next level.
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Ishamael posted:I thought this week would be more like the last 10 minutes of the previous episode (crazy plot-heavy wackiness), and I was ready for that. But this was totally different, and I ended up loving it a lot. Seeing the full arc of Chidi and how he has grown was great, and an excellently crafted emotional beat. That was a great line, but I loved the true guilt Michael feels for having tortured them. You can tell it haunts him.
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Senor Tron posted:Something that I have wondered about the Soul Squad. While it's implied, has it ever actually been confirmed that the fake Good Place neighborhood was their first experience waking up in the afterlife or could some of them have had real Bad Place experiences beforehand that have been erased? That's an interesting idea. Semi-related, it's always bugged me that Michael kicked Shaun through the portal right before he was going to reveal why no one was getting to the Good Place. He was right, but Michael didn't know that and just brushed it off as "Why let the guy keep saying mean stuff?" which has made me think Michael still knows something the cockroaches don't.
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emgeejay posted:troubling lack of Time Knife We've all seen the Time Knife.
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BioEnchanted posted:The butt spiders do get bored, so it's probably not so bad after that point. I did love that line though. "The people get used to it, and the worst part, the butt spiders get bored..."
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VideoGames posted:I watched the video of Michael's reaction when Jason figures it out because it makes me laugh so much which then led me to another video of the end of the new experiment with Brent and Chidi being told they are in the bad place and one of the comments really made me appreciate something else about the 4th series. This made me think of something insane. I don't think this is the direction they're going in, but it made me think what if Michael is truly from the Good Place, and everyone else we've seen in the afterlife, the cockroaches, the demons, Shaun, the judge, the Frog Guy, Janet, etc. are all in Purgatory with various mindwipes and it turns out there is no Bad Place, it's just having to overcome their own challenges and flaws to all finally get to the Good Place? Maybe Michael is God. I'm not even high. edit: Like Earth is Level 1, and if you fail that you go to Purgatory, which is Level 2 and come in as cockroaches, or demons, or Janets, or whatever. They've already flipped the Janets and a demon to the good side. What if Michael has been playing EVERYONE in the show? 1glitch0 fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Dec 6, 2019 |
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pwn posted:Apparently the first of those has changed They have a lot to get through in the last four episodes. My theory is Patty is the name our Janet chooses for herself as she recreates the universe.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Here's an interesting thought: demons were created for one purpose, which is to punish the wicked for their sins. However, while they are initially enthusiastic about their jobs, they eventually become bored and dissatisfied with performing the same punishments over and over again, as we see with both Michael and Shawn. Every variety of Janet was content with doing their job until something outside of them intervened, and the Good Place residents appear to be perfectly happy with being inoffensive and ineffective. The fact that demons want something other than what they're given...does this imply that the system was broken from the beginning, or were the demons created incorrectly? Either way, it implies that something about the system was broken right from the first moment and not just in the past few hundred years. Even the butt hole spiders get bored.
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CapnAndy posted:I have to admit to a bit of disappointment that the big swing Team Cockroach came up with at the end was to... invent Purgatory. Purgatory and the Good Place is a vastly better option than Purgatory, the Good Place, and the Bad Place.
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Mokinokaro posted:Michael makes an odd expression as they're getting in the balloon. He's definitely involved in something here. When the balloon showed up I thought for sure Michael was going to shut the door to the balloon once the cockroaches got in because he knew he couldn't go and the balloon would lift off before they realized what was happening and they have to try and find a way to go back for him. I still get a vibe something really heartbreaking is going to happen. Mordiceius posted:Tiya Sircar is insanely attractive. Holy mother forking shirtballs. She is crazy hot. And if that was the end of her story arc and the rest is the gang being in the Good Place it was a perfect send-off.
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ZRM posted:Spoiler about an unreleased episode's title under the spoiler and possible connections. What episode did that happen?
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Conclusions posted:I don’t know why, but I assumed she died of natural causes, and got sent to the bad place because EVERYONE goes to the bad place. If we're to go by the history of the show Simone was most likely smashed by something. Maybe the MRI machine tipped over on her somehow.
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swickles posted:Simone is helping someone into/out of the MRI when cowboy boots guy pops in, the MRI magnet rips the spurs off turning them into projectiles. Chidi is ultimately responsible and gets a stomach ache when he learns. lol, that would be amazing. Velius posted:It seems to me to be very likely that eternal pleasure is seen as as empty as eternal damnation. If there’s nothing to strive for then what’s the point? I see it quite likely they decide eternal anything is pointless and instead work on a system that transcends that somehow. I will never have an idea where they are going in this show, but my guess would be reincarnation. Maybe forever? The Bad Place sucks, what with the penis flatteners and all, and if the Good Place sucks too because it's ran by the neo-liberals, maybe they just say do Earth over and over and over and end the afterlife all together. It's a bit of a dark ending because no one will ever get their "moral desserts", but it would hopefully eventually make everyone on Earth their best version of themselves and maybe, eventually, Earth would end up being the Good Place itself.
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tsob posted:Their current system essentially is reincarnation anyway, only it's constantly recycling through the afterlife rather than Earth. The main reason it even works in the first place is because all the desires and compromising situations you face in life are no longer present in the afterlife and so you can concentrate on improving yourself since you're no longer coming in to conflict with other people or causing them inadvertent suffering just by living your own life. If you constantly reincarnated on Earth then that no longer applies and while a small percentage of people might eventually improve enough to get in to The Good Place, the majority never would and instead you'd just have them spinning their wheels for a while as mostly similarly moral people and ending up in the Bad Place anyway because the choices they had to make to ensure a life for themselves on Earth damned them for eternity. I mean if I was in charge I'd just put all souls in heaven, because why not? If Earth is just where you make sucky decisions, why not just throw everyone into the Good Place immediately. I don't think that's where they're going, but the concept of the afterlife is so idiotic it's tough to write yourself out of it. Like why would there even have to be test at all? I wonder if the cockroaches meet God. If they do I hope it'd be Bill Murray.
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Suicide door in heaven is nothing I could have ever guessed. So that's on brand. It's perfect, and because of the title of the finale I think we're in for a heartbreaking ending. I don't know how they got this through the network. So many great jokes that really hit me. The bedpan! The Matrix! I would hang out with these writers. This episode was so good and weird and shocking I don't even have the time to give all my thoughts. I'ver never seen a show that raises so many philosophical questions, had great jokes, and peaks at the end. Michael Schur is a loving genius.
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