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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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I think Mindy is just supposed to be a glitch in the system due to the circumstances of her life that nobody bothered to properly fix, not the best person to come out of the last centuries.

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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Baller Ina posted:

So on the "micheal got swapped" theory I didn't see anyone mention this but when Michael admits he faked his breakdown Eleanor says to him "you tricky devil!" and they cut to Michael kinda frowning. It's probably an over-analyzation (and I'm not some big proponent of either side of the theory) but it caught my eye.

Turns out he's literally Satan and has been all along.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
On the off chance Tahani isn't full of poo poo this time I thought the GoT boast was that characters from the show were inspired by her, which considering the differences with the books isn't impossible. Could be additions, or characters from the book taking on new traits.

But she totally is full of poo poo, so :shrug:.

1glitch0 posted:

"Not God. But yes, I am now in control of all of the afterlife."

The show is just a prequel for the Lucasarts Afterlife game.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

Regy Rusty posted:

"God" in this context would be whoever actually designed this whole messed up system. That's explicitly not the Judge.

That said we also don't have any in show evidence that such an entity actually exists.

If the show goes in that direction I expect it to be a "collective unconscious" deal.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Taear posted:

It sorta feels like every episode is quite samey and I'm just waiting for a breakthrough, I dunno.

It's not doing the thing fans loved where the show went through one season worth of plot turns in one episode, presumably because the writing is focused on building up to the finale.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Shawn is made of evil, he can't help himself when it comes to spite.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
Michael's not God, but he is like God.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
It would also be nice if humans had the knowledge of the afterlife's rules while still alive and didn't have to guess.

Medullah posted:

I really do still love the show, but I also kind of wish it'd only been one season. That twist in season one was just perfect, and everything since has been trying to live up to it.

I can see the logic, but the twist by itself is also an old cliché and it was the fact that we knew other seasons were coming and that the characters would have to deal with the fallout that actually made it interesting.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I fear a weak or controversial ending has the potential to really sour people on this show tbh. It's invested a lot of good will in the perception that it takes these big ethical ideas seriously and if the conclusion doesn't work for people they're gonna readjust their opinion of the journey to get there.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I'd wager that to adapt to immortality you'd need to find a way to stop relating to the world like a normal human, and leave mortal perspectives on pleasure, boredom, etc. behind you to grow into something more stable. Though the Good Place's problem is just as much that there's nothing to strive for, since everything is being handled by superhuman beings.

I guess the two points are related - at some point you'd have to grow up and become the one who actually has to sit down and design flying puppies or perfect symphonies for the new guys, as something to do besides passively consume.

YaketySass fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Jan 26, 2020

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Propaniac posted:

I don't get why people think it's sad or depressing to see someone realize that they have literally done Everything They Could Ever Want To Do, for as long as they want to. That's what going through the final door means.

Internet communities are really, really cagey about discussing suicide as anything other than the worst thing ever, so this sort of metaphor is gonna make people uncomfortable.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Sub Rosa posted:

I've been thinking more and more about this post. The problem is supposed to be that eventually you just do everything. Novelty runs out eventually. But shouldn't there also be infinite novelty itself? Infinite good seasons of your favorite show is just one example.

Who knows. Maybe there's an infinite number of episodes but a finite number of ways to enjoy them.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Android Blues posted:

Eh. To me it's functionally the same as the hokey "we're all just energy, death is just the energy taking a different form" platitude people come out with in the real world. Like, it's literally true that the atoms that make up a living human will go on to make up other objects after that person dies, but people frame this in a way that implies some sort of continuity for the individual's consciousness, or soul, in order to make the terrifying starkness of it comforting instead of upsetting. A less upbeat way of framing the wave metaphor is, like, "when you die, you're worm food".

I honestly found these last couple of episodes disturbing. The idea that death is a desirable alternative to eternal mediocrity (and they literally call it death in this episode) is so leaky philosophically, and insofar as it's an arguable idea at all I don't think the show argues it well. Watching the characters line up to destroy themselves in order to escape the monotonity of eternal perfection jarred a little. It felt like the show landed somewhere between wanting to write a metaphor about death in real life, and wanting to honour the terms of their sci-fi premise, and landed with one foot on each side, doing an awkward euthanasia splits across the chasm.

The show is about the afterlife, the existence of a soul is kind of baked into the premise.

But yeah, thematically it feels awkwardly narrow in scope compared to the rest of the show.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog

So what, if you're immortal you have an absolute moral duty to stick around for all of eternity, to not hurt other people's feelings?

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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Some Strange Flea posted:

Better to end on a high, on your own terms, after achieving everything you set out to, than to allow yourself to spiritually decay by rehashing the same basic ideas indefinitely, simply because you “earned it” and are allowed to do so by powerful agents of dubious competence and character.

The Good Place was the television show we made along the way?

It was already pretty meta back in season 1.

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YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

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I guess what's rubbing me the wrong way is that the show has spent so long exploring themes of duties toward others that the finale comes off as very self-centered. Even before the conclusion of the door, it's all about "is this hedonistic happy ending good enough for eternity y/n?", and even if we're shown self-improvement Tahani is the only one to really use it for something beyond her own gratification.

It's a regular problem for Michael Shur's shows that he likes and pampers his characters a bit too much.

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