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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Yea. Derek isn't funny at all and cutting his bits out of this episode (and the show, and brooklyn 99) would improve things tenfold.

The song they sang in the badplace was too US specific and a really poo poo choice of annoying jingle - there's loads that apply to everyone, don't be so American. Otherwise a good episode, really wondering what will come next. I didn't twig on Michael being replaced but I don't see why they'd bring up the Michael suit otherwise really.

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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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I will say that it's weird that when Mindy had the whole medium place thing you'd think the Good Place would be suspicious that nobody at all had been through to them for ages.
I know Jeremy Bearimy but still.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Rarity posted:

She did what 6 out of the 8 Game of Thrones characters based on her would do!

I just can't see her being friends with GRRM.

Gonna say it's dragging a little for me and I feel these three episodes have been very samey, I'm interested to see who it is on the railway car.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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boo_radley posted:

$5 says it's Glenn, get in on this action now, doggs

Uh who is Glenn, again?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Jet Jaguar posted:

The AV Club asked Michael Schur which characters in Game of Thrones that were based on Tahani.

They also have a screenshot that has a restaurant in the background named "Ponzu Scheme." Can we also see the return of "A Little Bit Chowder Now"?

I know it's a dumb thing to complain about but she was loving 11 when the first book came out.
I think part of what made me dislike that last episode was Tahani being FULL ON with all her celebrity stuff when we've not had her doing it that badly for a while.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Strawman posted:

Ever heard of Alice in Wonderland? At least 5 characters are based on Alice or Alice combined with mathematical puzzles.

Yea but Lewis Carol was a paedophile so it's not really a great comparison to draw.


You know, I still don't know who that is. Maybe if I'd rewatched he'd have stuck better?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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flatluigi posted:

He also had some interesting character beats in the webisodes they just put out that felt like they might be going somewhere with him

I really hope they don't use anything from those since most of us can't actually watch them.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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While I don't think it's actually even on in the UK that's a loving fast cancellation decision, whoa.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Argue posted:

We should discuss more important things, like figuring out which eight Game of Thrones characters are based on Tahani.

Just to repeat, she was 11 when the book was released dammit! That's assuming she's the same age as her actor, anyway.

Now they've captured bad Janet how do we still have a neighbourhood at all? That's my only question.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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silvergoose posted:

She's talking about the show. Which I think people explained to you already?

Also I was reading fantasy akin to asoiaf at age 11, what is your point?

The characters from the book are the ones the show are based on and it doesn't make sense. And if he's basing them on young Tahani that makes some of the scenes that Dany does in the first book proper loving creepy.
It's just a strange thing for her to say unless they think there's only a show and no books.
It's not about reading it, it's about Martin basing them on her and her hanging around with him when she was 11. She makes it sound like that's a really good thing and she's inspirational but being inspired by an 11 year old girl when you're a big fat weird man is very Alice in Wonderland and therefore creepy.

I know it's just a throw away joke but they say it a bunch and it's creepy.

Sloth Life posted:

They all were, tbh. I know Jason Mantzoukas isn't everyone's cup of tea but he brings a real "Mork from Ork" energy that I find hysterical here

I've said before I don't like him but if you cut him out of this episode altogether it would have been 100% the same.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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MikeJF posted:

They were reminding you of him so next week when they need him to start being Janet he's fresh in your mind.

I feel like that's correct but I don't want it to be.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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socialsecurity posted:

You know this is dumb, they said the joke once, also not every GoT character came about in the first book so you can stop pretending that's the only possibility for the purposes of these rants.

She said it like 3 times! It was a big part of the episode.
And yea it's something to talk about though? I said it was dumb before!

Taear fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Oct 20, 2019

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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I don't feel like there's time for bad Janet to change really unless they do a lot with her in the next few episodes?

I see her getting with annoying man though for sure

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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SardonicTyrant posted:

Michael specifically mentions in the first episode that points are calculated based on how much good or bad you add to the universe. The problem is the world gets increasingly complicated so it's impossible for a person to truly know how much good or bad an action is.

Yea so if Tahani gives 1,000,000 to charity and that heals 40 people of malaria that gives you +300 points but then the one million was given for a bad reason so it deducts 300 points.
Like in theory you could have a bad reason to do something but that something still gives you net more points - like with Mindy - but that doesn't make up for all the other stuff that removes your points.

I don't expect we'll ever get an explanation for why the points work as they do or who came up with it though. I think that it makes sense that it's made for a society that existed a few thousand years ago and it doesn't apply to modern life though. I guess they're making fun of the US Government system with that one.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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If the Michael suit is a new thing what are the suits they're currently wearing?
Is the technology that they can wear a suit upon a suit?

I'm a bit confused by that.

Also tahanis weird Welsh thing was dumb, maybe that plays in America where it doesn't matter that it makes no sense!

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Gaz-L posted:

I guess the idea is that the human suits are unique to each demon. Like, Michael's 'human-sona' is Ted Danson, but now they can mimic other people's.

I wonder why? I mean big rock guy takes his suit off all the time

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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It does feel like if they restore their memories so easily it doesn't matter that Chidi's is gone because it's always there to put back whenever. Maybe that was always the case, but I didn't realise it.

Former Human posted:

I think there are quite a few scenes they edit out for time. Like did they ever show when Tahani figured out that the boring old lady who always wanted a peppermint was actually a demon in disguise?

I know there are extended versions of the episodes on Hulu.

Wait, what? Are the ones we get on Netflix the proper ones then or cut ones?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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BigBallChunkyTime posted:

Is it me or is this season, while still good, the weakest of all?

Absolutely.
I did like this episode more than the others I think but it's still kinda boring all in all.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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uvar posted:

As pettily smug as it might be, I would be disappointed for the show to go "happy endings all round, except for Brent who ended up in the bad place after all". He's an rear end in a top hat, but he's not literally-infinite-torture bad.

Shut down the Bad Place, everyone goes to a 'Medium Place' limbo and is guided until they go to the Good Place. Which I realise means eventually Hitler goes to Heaven so the show probably won't go that way.

Eternity is a LONG time to be tortured for even if you killed 6 million people tbh.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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MikeJF posted:

They've avoided addressing the big elephant in the room with Jason, which is a question of moral culpability for someone who's pretty clearly characterised as intellectually disabled. At this point it looks like they're just going to ignore it instead of ever getting to it.

I guess they're saying he's not ACTUALLY stupid because he does have good ideas. But then they play it as a joke and....I dunno.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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CarlosTheDwarf posted:

In hindsight this show should have ended after the first season. The biggest problem is that it's just no longer funny.

While I feel you're trolling it's definitely got a more American feel to these seasons. I feel loads of the references are just totally meaningless to me now.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Mordiceius posted:

This season is the first where I’m not necessarily chomping at the bit for the next episode.

The show is still good, but this season is feeling weak so far.

It sorta feels like every episode is quite samey and I'm just waiting for a breakthrough, I dunno.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Senor Tron posted:

I am curious to know when Simone died, and how much of her memory was wiped.

Was she much older and is just appearing at her younger age, or did she die not long after we lost saw her, and has essentially lost the memory of the last year of her life?

I don't think they'll ever cover that.
Because the time stuff doesn't make sense and we have to ignore it.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Agronox posted:

I agree but this most recent episode was pretty good and def best of the season.

Yea this episode was the best of series 4 by far but it's a low bar to clear.
It's not that it's bad or anything. It's just a bit flat.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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I am glad that something interesting is happening and impressed that it was basically guessed earlier on.


But the episode still felt a bit flat?

Man I really can't get over the good place guys not caring that nobody has been there for hundreds of years.
Although I know they're decorum Centrists it's still a bit blah.

And you'd think the judge would at least have a bash at a new system before killing everyone? Now we've learned what we've learned!

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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The way you consume media is the bad place

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Banners are different for different people depending on what they think you'll like.
My She-Ra banner was hugely spoilery from day one, no idea why.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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GigaPeon posted:

Ok, I've ask several real life friends about this. Did you get the spoilery image BEFORE you had seen the spoiler? I've seen other shows show spoilery stuff (Good Place, Umbrella Academy, Bojack Horseman) in their banners but only after I had watched them.

I'm curious if Netflix changes it up based on how much you have watched.

Yes, way before the spoiler.

That episode bored the pants off of me. I feel like it didn't teach me anything I didn't already know and went over loads of old ground that I didn't really need to go over.
And now there's the bollocks American gap so we don't get anything interesting until January.

It felt like a sidequest where you're nearly done with the main game.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Bobbin Threadbare posted:

I liked the episode, but I have to say that probably would have felt more appropriate to put at the end of a hiatus rather than the start of one.

Yea absolutely.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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It was a fine episode but really predictable, I guess I don't know where else they could have gone with it other than this system though!

I still want to actually get to see the good place and all its 14th century people.

I do feel a bit like they haven't really solved the issue that capitalism is why people go to hell because every single action has a billion bad consequences and there's plenty of good people being tortured forever because of that.
Will they just....be in the good place now? Or do they have to be redeemed even though they're not even bad?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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BigBallChunkyTime posted:

The best joke in the whole episode was Disco Janet being marbelized into a mini disco ball.

Does it count as a joke? If it had been anything else it would have been a bizzare choice.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Their system feels like it's saying yes everyone born since 1500 is bad and needs help though.
Even though it's the points that they originally wanted to change because it was making everyone come out bad.

I dunno, it feels a bit like an essay where they have forgotten the original topic.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Presumably the people who live good lives but were damned by globalism would get through the purgatory rehab after one easy round and be on to the Good Place in no time. The real question is how this system will handle young children and adults who, due to mental disabilities, are incapable of making true moral decisions.

Jason?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Evil Mastermind posted:

I feel like the ending is going to involve the idea that there isn't a universal "okay, we're done setting this up forever" solution. They're going to find edge cases or odd exceptions and will constantly have to adjust the system as time moves on. After all, the stagnation of the points system is what caused the current problems in the first place.

And like I said, they're still not actually fixing the points
Just making everyone....do it all over in the afterlife.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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silvergoose posted:

All of this has happened before

Alternatively

There are no beginnings or endings to the turning of the wheel of time

Well there definitely are beginnings and endings because they said it'd take a billion years before anything interesting would start happening if they rebooted.
I know I've said it and Jeremy Bearimy is the answer but I don't like the way they treat time in the show at all.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Cemetry Gator posted:

Well, in our time there are.

I don't know how you can deal with time differently in the show. We're talking about immortal beings outside of the progression of time on Earth dealing with a different reality. It is always going to be a little fuzzy.

All of time has already occurred and then it's fine to say "oh huh the last people to enter the goodplace did it in 1400 earth time"

The good place can be post time, you don't need to be weird with it.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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The guatama buddha was on Chidis list but he lived before the cutoff point! Surely he's in the good place already?
Or who knows since he was definitely living a lie since a religion is wrong (other than Doug)

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Mr. Powers posted:

I think people have made a lot of assumptions about the door. The gang specifically said they don't really know what's on the other side / what happens. I think that's foreshadowing that the door doesn't just blink you out of existence. I also agree with posters that a suicide door would be an off-brand solution for the show to end with.

What, didn't they say it gives you the "ultimate end"?

I hate the idea that death is the only thing that makes life meaningful and I really didn't like this episode. The beats of it were fine, just not the overall message.
Also I'm curious to know where the good place guys actually....went to. Where is there?

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Ishamael posted:

It is really interesting to see the range of reactions to their solution. To me it felt very elegant and beautiful, it restored the mystery of death to this eternal waiting room that had been created to prevent it.

And "Death gives life meaning" is not a platitude, it is literally the truth. There will never be a version of human life without death, so it is just a basic fact. That we can try to imagine what it might be like to live forever doesn't make it true, so the fact will always exist that death is part of life, and part of what gives it form and purpose.

There won't be a human life without death - but there is in this show. So that's silly.

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Taear
Nov 26, 2004

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Mordiceius posted:

It's diminishing returns though. There's a big difference between 4 seasons of a show and 100 seasons of a show. There's far less of a difference between 100 seasons of a show and 200 seasons of the same show. You can only add so much to something before it too becomes blasé.

The first few times I eat the most perfectly cooked steak dinner will be awesome. By the 100th time, it's just normal and boring.

There comes a point where nothing you can imagine would not be played out.

I fundamentally disagree with this. I guess if the afterlife is how it's displayed here (where you're just a human on what's basically a holodeck) then yea, I guess. But why would you be? We're letting our brains be constrained by what exists now and not thinking in terms of being an infinite omnipotent being.

A tree is never bored, you're a being that can be that tree or anything you can imagine in that space. At least in theory.

And I've said it already but man the original goal of "points are broken" has been so totally and utterly loving forgotten, I really hope they kinda address it in the next episode.

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