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In the Back to the Future conception of time travel, changes take time, from the perspective of the time traveller, to propagate through all of reality. Marty uses his slack time to get his parents back together. Old Biff uses his slack time to drive the time machine back to the future. There’s a deleted scene that shows that the changes he’s made do catch up with Old Biff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2NBw-ZSQ98
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postmodifier posted:Back to the Future shot itself in the foot with the whole Sports Almanac thing, because if there was some fucker making billions of dollars off flawlessly predicting wins who was never around betting before, all the teams would drastically shift and change their rosters in response, making a huge amount of the almanac worthless. If Hill Valley could change so dramatically as a result of Biff's winnings, why wouldn't the roster of the 1983 Cubs change too? The Almanac would adjust to show the new results. Same as Marty's family photo in the first film.
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Jul 13, 2020 04:25
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Platystemon posted:In the Back to the Future conception of time travel, changes take time, from the perspective of the time traveller, to propagate through all of reality. Right, but you can see why they cut it from a story perspective since it deflates the tension somewhat seeing Biff disappear (which would imply that he dies sooner in his Trump timeline)
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Jul 13, 2020 04:32
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The scene where Marty is on stage and his parents are not going to gently caress and he starts to fade away is at the crux of the issue. How can Marty be somewhat transparent and only partially there? Either the conditions at that moment lead to his existence or they don't. How can it "take time" for time itself to change? It's time. Probably the same fundamental forces askew that lead a lightning bolt hitting a clock tower to creep down a wire at just a few dozen feet per second, or a scientist pronouncing "gigawatt" as "jiggawatt," or Libyans having access to Plutonium.
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Jul 13, 2020 04:33
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah the Olden Times presumption is that the couple hasn't had sex with one another yet, and therefore, both are presuming virginity of the other, and the test will determine if one of them lied and in so doing, got a disease. Of course either could have gotten tested for syphilis or whatever beforehand, if they had had premarital sex and not lied about it, but the test is protecting both parties in the nuptials from the potentially deadly lie and disease of the other. Yeah, but the real sexual revolution happened in the 1910s and 20s. That's when people shifted from courtship to dating and actually began to sleep around before marriage. As with all things the Boomers just claimed they invented it and the Xers and Millenials that came after them were foolish enough to believe them.
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Jul 13, 2020 05:24
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Jaguars! posted:Something about that reminded me of an incident about 10 years ago where we decided to play cribbage during a long car trip. At the next town I went into a bookstore and after not seeing one asked the teenage clerk if they had any boards. He goes over to the older lady clerk and asks her 'do we have any Cribbage is still played in the Navy. Bored sailors sometimes make fancy boards to pass time.
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Jul 13, 2020 05:52
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Cessna posted:Cribbage is still played in the Navy. Bored sailors sometimes make fancy boards to pass time. My grandma spent almost the entirety of my last Christmas vacation teaching me how to play cribbage and as of right now, I couldn't tell you a single rule if I had a gun to my head.
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Jul 13, 2020 06:12
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I played a lot of cribbage with my Grandmother, so I still remember. It's pretty fun.
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Jul 13, 2020 06:18
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Charlz Guybon posted:Yeah, but the real sexual revolution happened in the 1910s and 20s. That's when people shifted from courtship to dating and actually began to sleep around before marriage. As with all things the Boomers just claimed they invented it and the Xers and Millenials that came after them were foolish enough to believe them. I hate to break it to you but people have been bonking before marriage far longer than the concept of marriage exists. Like read literally anything old from any culture. People were loving hard. You have to hunt for the outliers like Edwardian England among the upper-classes.
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Jul 13, 2020 06:48
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Whenever a specific amount of money is used for a ransom or whatever as it compares how much a lot of money was in the past. For example, in the original Austin Powers movie, when Dr Evil demands only $1 million, and everyone laughs at him MULTIPLE times for demanding such a low amount. Or in Office Space when Peter asks everyone what they would do with $1 million bucks, but then that leads into Lawrence's ridiculous answer-2 chicks at the SAME time!
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Jul 13, 2020 10:19
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Charlz Guybon posted:Yeah, but the real sexual revolution happened in the 1910s and 20s. That's when people shifted from courtship to dating and actually began to sleep around before marriage. As with all things the Boomers just claimed they invented it and the Xers and Millenials that came after them were foolish enough to believe them. Sure, the 1920’s broke down a lot of standards, but those benefited men more than women. If you were a lady there were still significant consequences to sex before marriage. The introduction of the Pill changed the power dynamic. I know we like making GBS threads on Boomers, and for good reason, but I think Free Love, for better or worse, gets credited to them.
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Jul 13, 2020 14:10
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Xiahou Dun posted:I hate to break it to you but people have been bonking before marriage far longer than the concept of marriage exists. And even there Edward VII was um pretty notorious for pre and extra marital sex!
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Jul 13, 2020 14:27
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Xiahou Dun posted:Like read literally anything old from any culture. People were loving hard. Uh no. Clearly he was the son of their unmarried 17 year old daughter.
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Jul 13, 2020 14:42
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Xiahou Dun posted:I hate to break it to you but people have been bonking before marriage far longer than the concept of marriage exists.
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Jul 13, 2020 14:56
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Here's a little hint for you. People lie. For societal eras where premarital relations are frowned upon, most cases of premarital and extramarital affairs would not be recorded unless the couple was caught in the act. In a great many cases it would not be recorded even if the couple was caught in the act. It just gets hushed up, any illicit children attributed to somebody else, and sometimes one of the people involved gets buried in the backyard. Just look up "Shotgun wedding", a concept that dates back to the 18th century at least in the US.
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Jul 13, 2020 17:19
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I heard ELO's Telephone Line today, and I realized the song sung to the operator is a trope that makes no sense. Nowadays, he'd leave a text, or a voicemail, and be on with it. Still would have blue days and black nights, doo wah doo lang.
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Jul 13, 2020 17:31
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Xiahou Dun posted:You have to hunt for the outliers like Edwardian England among the upper-classes. I'm surprised that the course on the history of American sexuality didn't cover Puritan New England; this paper estimates " The overall percentage of marriages involving premarital fornication for the twenty-one year period is 11%. ". (Based on some presuppositions laid out in the paper.)
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Jul 13, 2020 18:30
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Edwardian England among the upper-classes was notorious for tolerated adultery, among both (at the time) sexes. "A heir and a spare", and after that nobody looked too closely at the eye colors of any subsequent children. One of the things a hostess at a country house did was try to put extra-marital couples' rooms near each other to lessen the risk of the wrong people bumping into each other in the hall in the middle of the night. You're right and that was poorly phrased. I should've added something like "and even then it's not that it didn't happen it's that lots of people refused to comment on it and hush now Downton Abbey was totally a documentary shhhhhh". People have always been loving. Maybe you could kind of argue that in certain regions at certain time-periods people tried to cover up how much they were loving, but trying to make it some kind of human absolute that before 1960 people waited for marriage is just silly. If you doubt me, I submit the entire nation of China since ever.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:01
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Cemetry Gator posted:I heard ELO's Telephone Line today, and I realized the song sung to the operator is a trope that makes no sense. Nowadays, he'd leave a text, or a voicemail, and be on with it. A decade later, on "Calling America": Talk is cheap on satellite But all I get is static Information, I'm still here Re-dial on automatic
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Jul 14, 2020 01:03
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Gnoman posted:Here's a little hint for you. It was generally accepted medical knowledge in the 17th & 18th centuries that a woman's first pregnancy could be as short as 6 or 7 months for a healthy baby.
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Jul 14, 2020 01:33
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I think Vincent's incredulous reaction at a five dollar milkshake in Pulp Fiction has fallen out of time at least a little bit. Picturing 2020 Pulp Fiction (reintroduced to a modern audience): "an 18 dollar milkshake?" And then Mia receives this huge mason jar topped with two further scoops of ice cream, a glazed donut and an entire slice of cake stuck on the rim.
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Jul 18, 2020 11:58
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Greyhound racing, as depicted in the first episode of The Simpsons, is now illegal in almost every state.
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Jul 18, 2020 13:21
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My Lovely Horse posted:Picturing 2020 Pulp Fiction (reintroduced to a modern audience) Hopefully humanity’s impending demise heads off the threat of a Pulp Fiction remake/desecration
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Jul 19, 2020 03:57
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Edwardian England among the upper-classes was notorious for tolerated adultery, among both (at the time) sexes. "A heir and a spare", and after that nobody looked too closely at the eye colors of any subsequent children. One of the things a hostess at a country house did was try to put extra-marital couples' rooms near each other to lessen the risk of the wrong people bumping into each other in the hall in the middle of the night. Days late here, but the Duchess of Rutland essentially used her daughter, Diana, as a prostitute during World War I. The Duchess didn't want her lone surviving son dying in the war. He badly wanted to fight and being unable to convince him to give up, the Duchess had Diana strategically sleep with individuals to make sure he was invalidated. Also, Diana's father probably wasn't the Duke of Rutland. Upper class Edwardian English folks had a lot of extramarital sex.
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Jul 19, 2020 04:27
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Steely Dad posted:Hopefully humanity’s impending demise heads off the threat of a Pulp Fiction remake/desecration You don't want to see Zac Efron as Vincent? They can make it a musical. "Come on Jules, get your head in the game!"
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Jul 19, 2020 12:34
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Edwardian England among the upper-classes was notorious for tolerated adultery, among both (at the time) sexes. "A heir and a spare", and after that nobody looked too closely at the eye colors of any subsequent children. One of the things a hostess at a country house did was try to put extra-marital couples' rooms near each other to lessen the risk of the wrong people bumping into each other in the hall in the middle of the night. With a group like the Puritans it's a bit different because sex between engagement and marriage existed in a kind of grey area. So long as you got married before anyone was visibly pregnant, and were monogamous, no one really cared. Sex between people who didn't intend to get married would have been scandalous though.
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Jul 19, 2020 14:11
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Krispy Wafer posted:You don't want to see Zac Efron as Vincent? They can make it a musical.
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Jul 19, 2020 14:23
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Days late here, but the Duchess of Rutland essentially used her daughter, Diana, as a prostitute during World War I. The Duchess didn't want her lone surviving son dying in the war. He badly wanted to fight and being unable to convince him to give up, the Duchess had Diana strategically sleep with individuals to make sure he was invalidated. Nominative determinism strikes again eh?
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Jul 19, 2020 15:14
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My Lovely Horse posted:Movie opens on Vincenza and Juliet, proceeds to pass Bechdel test almost instantly. Would the gimp still be the gimp? What about the Confederate flag in the pawn shop where the guys were sodomizing Marcellus Wallace?
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Jul 19, 2020 17:17
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Reservoir Dogs might be easier to remake. You could definitely do an all female version!
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Jul 19, 2020 17:49
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Cemetry Gator posted:I heard ELO's Telephone Line today, and I realized the song sung to the operator is a trope that makes no sense. Nowadays, he'd leave a text, or a voicemail, and be on with it. One I noticed the other day - not so much pay phones, which everyone can probably still figure out, but having a phone card specially for use from payphones.
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Jul 20, 2020 03:20
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Jaguars! posted:One I noticed the other day - not so much pay phones, which everyone can probably still figure out, but having a phone card specially for use from payphones. Phone cards are definitely still a thing, they're sold by the fistful in every bodega in NYC and other major metropolitan cities because its an inexpensive way to obtain international calling minutes.
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Jul 20, 2020 04:45
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The situation in the REM song "Star 69" would be hard to decipher for a lot of people now-- not a lot of people are going to understand what *69 was or what "put your quarter down on me" means. Not to mention how much weird psychodrama could be wrapped up in unexpected/unwelcome phone calls back when that was the only way to communicate with people a lot of the time.
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Jul 20, 2020 07:52
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There's a gorgeous Jim Croce song called "Operator" about a guy trying to call his girlfriend and talking to the long-distance operator about the relationship; "you can keep the dime" refers, of course, to the money he put in the pay phone.quote:Operator, well let's forget about this call There's a great Kinky Friedman song, Western Union Wire, about a telegram; it depends on your knowing that telegrams had STOP at the end of each sentence. quote:It said, from Billy, at the bottom,
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Jul 20, 2020 17:25
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Given how little interplanetary communication comes up compared to when humanity was semi-often going to the moon, the idea of bouncing signals off the moon to reach a rocket traveling to mars might also be lost on modern audiences - it's the basis for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ywCuMfQDE BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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Jul 20, 2020 19:43
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Arsenic Lupin posted:There's a great Kinky Friedman song, Western Union Wire, about a telegram; it depends on your knowing that telegrams had STOP at the end of each sentence.
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Jul 20, 2020 20:27
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RapturesoftheDeep posted:The situation in the REM song "Star 69" would be hard to decipher for a lot of people now-- not a lot of people are going to understand what *69 was or what "put your quarter down on me" means. Not to mention how much weird psychodrama could be wrapped up in unexpected/unwelcome phone calls back when that was the only way to communicate with people a lot of the time. R.E.M. has a few of those. “S. Central Rain” is someone upset that they can’t call their girlfriend/boyfriend because storms out West have downed all the long distance lines. That’s if you can understand Stipe’s muddled lyrics. I had no idea what the song was about until I heard a cover of it by another band. Kids have it easy these days. Any song’s lyrics are easy to find, but in the 80’s and 90’s you had to hope the band was thoughtful enough to include an extra long folded up insert with all the words.
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Jul 20, 2020 22:45
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And in the 00s at least half of song lyrics online were put there by some rando who often misheard the words.
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Jul 20, 2020 22:56
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FreudianSlippers posted:And in the 00s at least half of song lyrics online were put there by some rando who often misheard the words. Excuse me, while I kiss this guy
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Arsenic Lupin posted:There's a great Kinky Friedman song, Western Union Wire, about a telegram; it depends on your knowing that telegrams had STOP at the end of each sentence. Then there's "Western Union" - a 60s classic: quote:Western Union man
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