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Dec 31, 2008

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. For I the LORD thy Sun God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of cosmic prestige upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

Welcome to Destiny 2. THE GAME IS NOW FREE TO PLAY



Second, read this picture below:

Third, do this:


2. Do some public events and adventures and patrols and lost sectors on the maps. Some of these maps are beautiful. Explore them. There’s some amazing Easter eggs and interesting stories. And of course, loot up.

3. Strikes: These are 3 man...”dungeons”. Maybe maps is the better word but these are good to do a few. Don’t do a lot. If i were in your shoes as a new player, you hit a burnout point.

4. PVP is Gambit and of course, Crucible. Do it. Give it a whirl. I will say though, if you go in solo, you’ll get frustrated. There’s a reason the thread title at one time was Never Solo Queue for PvP. That’s what discord is for.

5. Grab all your fun bounties and quests from peeps like Zavala, Shaxx and others. You grab these from town. They will be useful to you.

6. LOOT LOOT AND LOOT. Consult the god rolls sheet here for some awesome combinations on how to get built. Finding the right gun is all preference. Some love pulses. Some love autos. Some love hand cannons. You gotta do you. And you are hunting for the roll and gun you like.

Lastly, group up. For the love of all that is holy, group up. Eventually you’ll do a raid or two. You may find a stack of goons you like playing with. You’ll want to use discord as the social features suck in this game. Clan chat is rocking though. Use that too.

You do these things and you’ll get an understanding of the beginning play loop. Then you’ll do stuff like Escalation Protocol, Blind Well, Menagerie, Forges and more. This is a game of exploring and doing quests to get stuff. Collect items. Pull them out of your collections and fashion up. Be the best space Barbie you can be!

Where to download:

What's the difference between the free 2 play stuff and not free 2 play stuff:



When New Light, the free to play system for Destiny 2 launches in September, the following things will be totally free for everyone to jump into:

The base campaign + all of the base game
All of Curse of Osiris and Warmind
Every single planet as a patrollable area to do bounties on and explore — the Moon, Dreaming City, Tangled Shore, and all DLC planets
Full access to Crucible
Every strike
All Year 1 Raids (Leviathan, Eater of Worlds, Spire of Stars)
Full access to Gambit
Any updates that are for all players (not Annual Pass/Shadowkeep owners)

What will NOT be free?

Forsaken, the year 2 Annual Pass, Shadowkeep, and the year 3 annual pass will all need to be purchased.

When I pre-order Shadowkeep on Steam, what am I getting?

With your purchase of Shadowkeep on Steam, you will get Shadowkeep of course, but also all Year 1 content, however you will not get Forsaken or any year 2 content, which is currently not available for purchase on Steam. If you already own Forsaken and the Annual Pass on Battlenet it will transfer over, and if you don't, it will eventually be available for purchase. The Digital Deluxe version includes the Season Passes for all of the seasons that will follow Shadowkeep, and is the equivalent of buying Forsaken + the Annual Pass of Year 2.

How Do I Play With Goons?

Here’s the goon communities for Destiny.

Serious Overchill:
SA Gamers:
European Goon Squad:
Multi platform Destiny Goons:

Mix and mingle wherever you would like. All 4 of these I will vouch for as excellent goon communities. These are homes to a collective thousands of goons here. You should be joining all of them honestly, but utilize them however you like.

At the end of the day, there's overlap with all of them, just find your home and play video games.


Join one.

(NOTE: You must join discord(s) for clan approval. Post in the destiny channel(s) you are applying to X clan and one of the admins will catch it or somebody will ping that admin for it. Thank you!)

[SNEK] Serious Overchill:
[TIME] 2 Chill 2 Serious:
[BEAR] Guardians of Chillbear:
BEE5 is the other clan open.
[EURO] European Goon Clan:

The The Update Regarding Destiny (TURD) launched last week with great Shadowkeep info:

Shadowkeep Season:

Bungie Vidoc: Moon and Beyond:

Shadowkeep Launch Trailer:

Stuff from Old OP but maybe nice for NEW PLAYERS TO READ. Slightly outdated but a decent read.


First off, here’s the new stuff:

Here are all the new supers:

Here’s all the new subclass paths that will be with Foreskin.

Arcstrider: Way of the Current:
Gunslinger: Way of a Thousand Cuts:
Nightstalker: Way of the Wraith:

Sentinel: Code of the Commander:
Striker: Code of the Missile:
Sunbreaker: Code of the Devastator:

Dawnblade: Attunement of Grace:
Stormcaller: Attunement of Control:
Voidwalker: Attunement of Fission:

Planets and Leveling (What to Do)

The Current Map

Congratulations! You are going to take your cool self down to some planets and whoop up some Cabal, Fallen, Skorn, Taken, Cabal again, and Vex amongst other things. I’ll let pictures do the talking here so you know where you’re going:

Earth: Very large, lots of activities. You go here a lot.

Pictured Above: Gary, IN in the year 2029, when this game takes place

Titan: My favorite. The aesthetic is incredibly beautiful. Small moon. You come here to chill in the content in my opinion.

Pictured Above: A nice young man overlooks a giant planet made entirely of green piss.

Io: Medium moon. You’ll stay busy here. Lots of color here.

Pictured Above: What a castle looks like on mushrooms.

Nessus: Awesome place. Second largest after Earth (pre-Expansion). So much to explore.

Pictured Above: When Puzz 3-D goes wrong.

Mercury: Smallest planet ever. Smallest space. Very orange and brown. Not a lot of love for this place.

Pictured Above: A gentleman looks to stare at that distance for 24 hours straight, claiming it will give him 20/10 vision.

Mars: Very cool place and comparable to Io in size. Escalation Protocol will keep you busy! A lot to do and explore for a medium size.

Pictured Above: Remember Sojourner? This was its fate.

Tangled Shore: This is the Reef. It’s the new largest destination in all of Destiny 2, surpassing EDZ. Connected by asteroids.

Pictured Above: I tried to do this with my house once after a massive tornado came through and wiped it out. Results didn’t quite turn out like this.

Dreaming City: It’s the size of Nessus.

Pictured Above: Where David Bowie lives in classic movie Labyrinth. Bungie got the rights to use it.

The Farm: That riveting early game content that Bungie made into a big deal. Would probably make for a hilarious PvP map at this juncture.

Pictured Above: Spoiler alert, this is where your guardian goes to till the land and grow sugarcane.

Traveler: This is town.

Moon: It's haunted. It's the new place. Neil Armstrong went there.

Vanguard: Strikes (dungeons you do with people via matchmaking or co-op with friends), and Nightfall (Strike of the Week and needs co-op).

Crucible: PvP. 4v4, 6v6 and Free for All. Plenty of modes and more to come. Here’s a guide with all the modes (not including the new Breakthrough mode).

Gambit: PvE/PvP destination. This all-new hybrid 4v4 mode combines the best of PvE and PvP. Two teams of four race to summon a Primeval enemy and be the first to burn it down. Disrupt the other team by sending a combatant blocker or invading directly with one of your own players.

Shoot Aliens until they’re dead. Your enemies will get stronger over time, so work together to defeat them quickly.

Pick up the motes that drop when your enemies fall. You can hold up to 15, but you lose them if you die.

Drop your motes in the center structure. Earn a blocker by depositing 5, 10, or 15 motes at once. Summon a Primeval when your team banks 75 motes.

When your bank reaches 25 and 50, you can send one player through a portal to invade the opponent's arena with one goal: disruption.

4 maps, 3 races, 36 different combinations of ways to play

A map example:

Activities on Planets:

Patrols—Short missions along the lines of “Defeat 10 Cabal Legionnaires” or “Scan this point and explore this part of the world”. It opens up the map a bit.

Adventures—Additional Story Content. These are lengthier. They are fun to do and usually easy. There is a heroic mode for these too which make them tougher and are more rewarding. If you’re into lore, do these.

Public Events—Regular and Heroic. They have triggers that make them heroic and more rewarding. This is your world event stuff. You’ll always find plenty of these to do. They’re on a timer and you’ll be doing them forever.

Escalation Protocol—“9” person content which is essentially a horde mode. 7 rounds. It’s a blast. Get through the waves and earn some exclusive items. It’s not soloable. You’ll want to coordinate in clan chat and discord.

Lost Sectors—Solo, short dungeons. Plain and simple.

Blind Well--a 3-6 person endgame PvE activity which revolves around players fighting waves of Scorn, Hive, or Taken whilst evading clouds of poisonous gas. Rewards from this activity include Dreaming City themed weapons and armor.

Outlaw Lost Sector--These offer an additional challenge by having players hunt down escaped convicts from the Prison of Elders and hunt them down in unique bossfights in familiar locales.

On specific planets, like Nessus and Dreaming City you have RAIDS: 6 person content. Requires great team coordination and mechanics you won’t find anywhere else in the game. Highly rewarding on gear.

Leviathan Raid:

Eater of Worlds Raid:

Spite of Stars Raid:

Last Wish Raid:

Scourge of the Past Raid:

See ya in game, do not ever log off, you are not allowed:

ICR fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Mar 15, 2020


Dec 31, 2008

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. For I the LORD thy Sun God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of cosmic prestige upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me.

Patch Notes

0h - Destiny Dev Team


Finisher System added. Press the finisher button to finish critically wounded combatants.

PvE Damage Numbers Display
Goal: To provide players with useful and legible feedback for damage dealt to enemy combatants across many years of Power progression.
Displayed damage numbers for damage dealt to non-Guardian enemy combatants are crunched
Damage dealt is displayed using fewer digits to enhance readability of damage output
Occurrences of displayed damage getting capped at 999,999 should be significantly reduced or eliminated
The exponential curve used to calculate damage numbers for display is replaced with a new linear curve that is built to last for many years
As players grow in Power, displayed damage numbers increase at a much more measured pace than previously
This is a UI update only; player damage output, whether measured as hits to kill, time to kill, or DPS, remains unchanged by this update

PvE Difficulty Tuning
Goals: Widen the sweet spot where fighting higher-level combatants provides a fun, challenging, and rewarding combat experience for a more enjoyable Power climb. Also, allow players looking for even greater challenges to confront much higher-level enemies.
Combatants that are 10–40 levels higher take less time to kill and deal less damage
Higher-level combatants continue to increase in difficulty up to 100 Power levels above the player
When enemies are 100 Power levels or higher above the player, they are immune to damage
Nameplate icons on higher-level combatants have been updated to reflect these changes
These changes affect only higher-level combatants; the at-level or over-level experience remains unchanged


Nightstalker Way of the Pathfinder (Bottom)
Goal: We want to lean into the fantasy of a speedy disruptor. Pathfinders need more tools to scout the battlefield and a skill based way to engage with that gameplay more often. We should reward this scouting and battlefield control gameplay, executed well, with more opportunities to do the same. At the same time shadow shot needed some quality of life improvements for long standing frustrations.
Vanish: Smoke bomb grants invisibility to allies
Gives 1 stack of Heart of the Pack (newly revamped) to all allies hit
Grants +34 to armor, recovery, and agility
Gives weapon reload speed and handling
Max 3 stacks
Increased invisibility duration from 7 > 8 seconds
Provision: Killing tethered enemies creates super orbs and increases agility, armor, and recovery for allies
New Perk (old perk benefits moved to be part of Mobius Quiver)
Damaging enemies with your grenades reduces the cooldown of your smoke bomb (6% per damage tick)
Making allies invis gives you grenade energy (17.5% per ally)

Moebius Quiver: Fire super multiple times and deals massive damage to tethered targets
Added the old Provision perk to naturally be part of Mobius Quiver
Killing tethered enemies creates super orbs and grants stacks of Heart of the Pack for allies
Expanded the range of Heart of the Pack from 20 > 30 meters.

Shadowshot Super (Top and Bottom path)
Damage increased from 150 > 250
One shot kill in PvP
Improved tether accuracy near obstacles
Suppress on hit is more consistent

Sentinel Code of the Protector (Top)
Goal: This path is the main support role for Titans and focuses heavily on melee kills while staying near allies. We want to focus more heavily on buffing allies so that players care about the timing of their buff usage. With a loop which allows players to get their melee energy back more quickly this will be a more engaging path to play. Additionally, Ward of Dawn is currently not up to snuff, and needs a buff that ties in to the fantasy of buffing allies.
Defensive Strike: Melee ability that creates an overshield for nearby allies
All kills while the overshield is active grant melee energy for the player with the shield (works for all allies you grant a shield to)
This is based upon enemy threat level from 5% (minors) to 25% (players and bosses)
Rallying Force: Melee kills heal nearby allies
Heal buffed from 10 health and 10 shields to 10 health and 20 shields (50% increase)
Ward of Dawn: Alternate super that creates a shield bubble
Increase ward health versus supers
Most supers will require the whole thing to be dumped on the ward to destroy it but will (usually) not kill the players inside
Ward grants weapons of light buff when passing through it (35% weapon damage for 15 seconds)
Grants an additional super orb (3)
Auto-generated orbs now grant the same amount of super energy as regular super orbs (previously the orbs gave less super energy on par with masterwork orbs)
Sentinel Code of the Aggressor (Bottom)
Shield Bash: Shoulder charge that disorients nearby enemies
Now suppresses the target hit and any enemy within 2 meters (have to be basically right next to them)

Voidwalker Attunement of Hunger (Bottom)
Vortex: Nova Bomb leaves behind a damaging AoE pool
Initial explosion damage increased 15%
Lingering damage increased 15%

Dawnblade Attunement of Grace
Well of Radiance: Alternate super that creates a healing/buffing field for allies
Grants an additional super orb (3)
Auto-generated orbs now grant the same amount of super energy as regular super orbs (previously the orbs gave less super energy on par with masterwork orbs)

Nightstalker Way of the Trapper (Top)
Shadowshot: Fires an arrow that damages enemies and debuffs enemies nearby
Damage sharing for the Nightstalker player specifically reduced from 100% to 50%
Now all allied players have 50% damage sharing on tether

Nightstalker Way of the Wraith (Middle)
Flawless Execution: Headshot kills while crouched grant invisibility and truesight
Truesight now lasts 3 seconds (down from 9)

Shattering Strike: After performing a Flawless Execution, your melee attacks have a longer lunge range and weaken enemies
Advanced warning: When we made the change to Flawless Execution this also unintentionally nerfed this ability to only last 3 seconds (it was directly tied to the truesight). We have prepared a fix for the 4.6.1 patch to restore the weaken and lunge range increase to last the entire 9 seconds regardless of truesight and invisibility status.

Instant Reloading
Goal: In the beginning, Lunafactions and Rally Barricade did exist, but they were clunky to use. They still had dramatic impact on gameplay even in that state, but eventually we decided to make their effects easier to handle. The problems they introduced always existed in the game, but over time these have become magnified due to new abilities, perks, and weapons introduced into the Destiny 2 sandbox. The impact of something that takes all reloading out of the equation means that other perks or effects like the Hunter’s Marksman Dodge or the Sealed Ahamkara’s Grasps can simply fall to the wayside – Even swords take a hit in comparison, being one of the few weapons that naturally never needs to reload.

Reloading is one of those mechanics that are simple, but have wide ranging consequences. Because the effect on gameplay of removing reloading is inversely proportional to the size of your weapon’s magazine and how slow your general reload animations are, weapons like Rocket Launchers and Shotguns can benefit greatly compared to other weapons. This, alongside the increase in general access to damage bonus effects like Well of Radiance left us with the decision to remove this effect from these two sources, as they were causing things to quickly snowball out of control.

Titan Rally Barricade
This ability now provides a large increase to reload speed for the duration of the effect
This ability no longer automatically reloads your weapons from reserves

Warlock Rift/Well of Radiance
Lunafaction Boots now provides a large increase to reload speed for the duration of Well of Radiance
This exotic no longer automatically reloads your weapons from reserves

Super Energy Regeneration
Goal: These changes will reduce the speed with which players are able to earn their super which supports difficulty and reduces the current ability to trivialize certain content through excessively chaining supers. Systemically, we want to reduce base sources of supers on a large macro scale without diminishing the feeling that your actions are gaining you a worthwhile energy boost. By reducing the speed at which you gain super we can make mods and perks feel more worthwhile. We still want it to feel like you can make meaningful progress not only through normal play but by augmenting super energy through teamwork, class choices, gear, and skillful play.

New Energy Granted by Super Orbs:
Super Orb: 7.143% (50% reduction)
Masterwork Orb: 2.5% (50% reduction)
Kills: (25% reduction)
Minor: 0.6%
Elite: 0.96%
Mini-boss: 1.8%
Boss: 3%
Player: 3%
Assists: (25% reduction)
Minor: 0.3%
Elite: 0.48%
Mini-boss: 0.9%
Boss: 1.5%
Player: 1.5%

Damage Multipliers
Goal: At Destiny 2 launch, damage buffs were fairly sparse – There was Empowering Rift for a small increase, and you could combine it with a weakening effect such as Hammer Strike, but very little else. As time has gone on, we introduced Well of Radiance, Weapons of Light, Guiding Flame, Frontal Assault, etc, and combining these effects has resulted in player damage output far beyond what was previously available. Even with just a small amount of them, a player can go from 1x damage to 3x and beyond, causing there to be an extremely large gap between standard player output and theoretical output.

By preventing the larger effects from stacking, we are able to keep each of them around without having to do something in response like raise boss health to compensate for these tactics, as well as create more of them. As an example, Lumina would not have been created in world where the damage bonus effect of Noble Rounds stacked with other damage effects, and these changes are simply an extension along those same lines.

While the weakening effects never stacked, we also took a look at them and adjusted their values as many of our more powerful units would simply evaporate when touched by one of them, but we compensated for that in other ways, such as either extending the duration of the effect or in the case of Shadowshot, making it affect power weapons.

Player Damage Buffs
Player Bonuses
Bonus damage effects that apply to all of a player's weapons simultaneously no longer stack multiplicatively. The highest applicable bonus will be used instead
This does not affect single weapon buffs such as Rampage, Kill Clip, or exotic weapons that increase their own damage. These will still stack multiplicatively.
Buffs that provide bonus damage will still exist simultaneously on the player, so in the event that the one with the highest multiplier wears off the next highest will be used instead.
This change affects the following weapons/abilities (Empowering Rift, Frontal Assault, Guiding Flame, Sun Warrior, Inertia Override, Well of Radiance, Lumina/Noble Rounds, Weapons of Light)
Notable exceptions: Vengeance (One Eyed Mask)
Frontal Assault
Bonus damage is now +20% (Previously +25%)
Sun Warrior
Bonus damage is now +20% (Previously +25%)
Well of Radiance
Bonus damage is now +25% (Previously +35%)
Weapons of Light
Bonus damage is now +35% (Previously +25%)

Enemy Debuffs (Weakened)
Incoming PvE damage is now +30% (Previously +35%)
Incoming PvP damage is now +50% (Previously +55%)
This effect no longer excludes power weapons
Tractor Cannon (Repulsor Force)
Incoming PvE damage is now +30% for all elements (Previously +33%/50% for Non-Void/Void damage respectively)
Incoming PvP damage is now +50% for all elements (Previously +33%/50% for Non-Void/Void damage respectively)
Hammer Strike
Incoming PvE damage is now +30% (Previously +50%)
Duration increased from 6 to 10 seconds in PvE
Shattering Strike
Incoming PvE damage is now +30% (Previously +50%)
Duration increased from 6 to 10 seconds in PvE

Reduced Super Damage Resistance
Goal: Since the launch of Destiny 2 we have slowly introduced buffs to supers, especially roaming supers. While we believe supers should be powerful they should not be mindless. We want supers to be more risky in both PvE and PvP. We want players to think about positioning and timing more. Not so long ago we experimented with Spectral Blades by lowering the damage resistance substantially. These changes were generally well received and improved the experience of the super for both the person running it and the person who was running from it. In PvE players shouldn’t feel like their super makes them invulnerable and casting one should call for situational strategic thinking. In PvP players need to feel like they can challenge a super and that with skillful play there’s a chance they can beat it.

Super Damage Resistance removed from masterwork armor
Inherent Super Damage Resistance lowered by category (see below)

Low- 54% → 49%
Nova Warp
Thunder Crash
Blade Barrage
Nova Bomb
Well of Radiance

Medium - 56% → 51%
Hammer of Sol

High - 60% → 53%
Fist of Havok
Burning Maul
Sentinel Shield
Arc Staff
Arc Lightning

Other (unchanged)
Spectral Blades - 52% / 54.4%
Golden Gun - 0%
Chaos Reach - 40%

Fixed an issue where abilities that dealt lingering damage were dealing higher damage than intended at higher framerates
This includes abilities such as Nova Bomb, Vortex Grenades, Solar Grenades, Smoke Bombs, Fan of Knives, and Sun Spots
Fixed an issue where the Hunter's Tempest Strike melee ability couldn't be performed if the Sprint button/key was set to Hold
Fixed an issue where the increased sustain damage perk of the Stormtrance super would break if a player swapped their sub-class to Chaos Reach and then back to Stormtrance within an activity
Fixed an issue where the Liar's Handshake perk Cross Counter was intermittently failing to activate and trigger healing
Sealed Ahamkara Grasps perk Nightmare Fuel will now correctly reload weapons when used in tandem with Knife Trick and the Tractor Cannon
A Titan's Burning Maul line attack will no longer be blocked and detonate early if they have Telesto projectiles attached to them
Borealis and Hardlight now match the Prism modifier when changing elements on reload, rotating through Void > Arc > Solar
The Hunter's Combination Blow ability buff will now correctly be removed when switching sub-classes while the buff is active
The Phoenix Protocol Hearth perk will no longer award bonus super energy on kills and assists to Warlocks inside a Well of Radiance who do not also have the Well of Radiance (Attunement of Grace) sub-class equipped
The Enhanced Momentum Transfer perk now displays the correct icon
The Mad Warden will no longer get frozen in time when destroyed by a Hunter's Golden Gun
Fixed an issue where Warlocks couldn't perform their Well of Radiance super during the reload animation for breach loaded Grenade Launchers
If interrupted, the reload animation will complete after the super is cast
Fixed an issue where allied Golden Gun projectiles weren't going through Banner Shields
Fixed an issue where the Queen's Wrath perk for the exotic Wish-Ender bow wasn't correctly highlighting players if their shield was depleted
The Warlock's Arc subclass ability 'Pulsewave' buff will no longer clear the Quickdraw perk bonus granted from a weapon upon its expiration
The Warlock's 'Alchemical Etchings' perk buffs from Lunafaction Boots will now correctly be removed if/when their Well of Radiance is destroyed
Khepri's Sting will no longer consume the owner's melee ability energy charge when hit by a friendly Hunter's smoke bomb

Weapon mods are now treated as reusable unlocks instead of consumables. Any mods you have in your inventory will be converted to unlocks
This gives players the opportunity to play with different mods more frequently
If the only copy of a mod you have is already in a gun, you will need to reacquire one to unlock it
Minor enemies (Rank-and-File) no longer take more precision damage than other enemies
These enemies previously took twice as much damage to their precision hit locations than enemies of higher ranks
You will still deal precision damage, but this is now entirely dependent on the weapon, as it is for higher ranked enemies
The amount of time allowed between kills to generate a masterwork orb has been reworked per archetype:
2.5 seconds for shotguns, hand cannons, scout rifles, machine guns, and pulse rifles
3 seconds for auto rifles and trace rifles
4 seconds for bows, fusion rifles, rocket launchers, and grenade launchers
5 seconds for sniper rifles, linear fusion rifles, sidearms, submachine guns, and swords
Auto Rifles
PvE damage increased between +30% and +25% depending on combatant rank
PvE damage increased by +31% against minor enemies, and +26% against major enemies
Fixed an issue where bow draw times were displayed incorrectly in the inspection screen
Hand Cannons
PvE damage against minor enemies increased by 30%
Lightweight and Adaptive hand cannons use a new firing animation while aiming down sights
This change was made to increase weapon accuracy when firing these weapons as fast as possible
Ex: Currently, players can shoot faster than the recoil animation of 140/150 archetypes – so while the Hand Cannon looks to have fully reset from recoil, the following projectile will be shot as if the weapon was still in a recoiled state
Reduced the effect the range stat has on damage range falloff (effective range) for this weapon archetype
Machine Guns
PvE damage against minor enemies increased by 25%
Increased the effects of damage range falloff on this weapon archetype
Pulse Rifles
PvE damage against minor enemies increased by 28%
Increased the effects of damage range falloff on this weapon archetype
Archetype specific damage changes (impacts both PvE and PvP gameplay)
Rapid-Fire Pulse Rifles now deal 14/23.8 base/precision damage (Previously 13/21.4)
High Impact Pulse Rifles now deal 21/33.6 base/precision damage (Previously 20/32)
Scout Rifles
PvE damage increased between +36% and +18% depending on combatant rank
PvE damage increased to minor and major combatants by 16%
Sniper Rifles
PvE damage increased by +47% against minor enemies, +20% for others
Exotic sniper rifle perk damage bonuses have been modified to compensate for this change and they will not receive the full benefits as a result
PvE damage increased by 22.5% against minor/major combatants
Aggressive Frame
Removed the intrinsic effect of "Deals bonus damage at close range."
This bonus was 10%, but was unintentionally always active
The bonus damage has been moved to the base damage for 750 RPM Submachineguns, resulting in no damage change
As a result, Tarrabah and The Huckleberry gain 10% damage in both PvE and PvP
Sweet Business
Increased magazine size from 100 to 150.
Increased PvE damage by 15%.
High Caliber rounds have been replaced with Armor Piercing rounds.
Damage changed to 15/21.2 base/precision (Previously 13.21/21.14)
This weapon no longer requires you to be firing when you pick up ammo to have it automatically reload.
Graviton Lance
PvE damage increased by 30%
Increased magazine size to 12
Vigilance Wing
PvE damage increased by 25%
Damage changed to 19/30.5 base/precision (Previously 13.76/24.75)
Fixed an issue that was causing this weapon to deal higher flinch than intended
Fixed the missing aim assist stat for this weapon
Ace of Spades
Memento Mori's damage bonus is now affected by range falloff
Noble Rounds should apply their buff to allies more reliably now
The Colony
"Serve the Colony" now functions as Auto Loading Holster does

Reduced the impact of this perk on total reserves
Ricochet Rounds
Removed the hidden bonus to damage falloff
Perk now activates when getting a kill with Ball Lightning
Grave Robber
Perk now activates when getting a kill with ranged melee abilities (ie: Ball Lightning, Explosive Knife)
One-Two Punch
Reduced the effectiveness of stacking One-Two Punch and Cross Counter (Liar's Handshake)
Ex: Players won’t be able to defeat Riven in less than three seconds after Shadowkeep launches using the combo of One-Two Punch and Liar's Handshake, but we know many of you will try other builds… and potentially even succeed.
Weapon General Fixes
Fixed an issue where AI combatants in Gambit based activities were using PvP values instead of PvE values
Fixed an issue on Jade Rabbit where parts of the ornament were appearing on the original weapon art
Fixed an issue where masterworked weapons would sometimes spawn a large amount of orbs off a single kill
Fixed an issue where killing Vex Harpies with precision damage from Outbreak Perfected wasn't spawning Nanites as expected
Added missing Thunderlord Killfeed and Obituary icons
Infusing Thunderlord now correctly requires a destination material (EDZ Dusklight Shards)


Triumphs can now be broken into steps with each step granting Triumph score
Some Triumphs have been extended with additional steps that grant additional Triumph Score
Some Triumphs have had their existing requirements broken into steps and the original Triumph Score has been split between those steps

Each season there will a new pursuit, the seasonal artifact
For Season of the Undying it is The Gate Lords Eye
At the end of the season the artifact will go away, and be replaced by a new artifact
The seasonal artifact has two progressions:
Artifact Power:
Gain an uncapped bonus to your power by earning XP. Each point of power takes more XP to earn than the last
Artifact Mods
Earn up to 12 points by gaining XP
Spend points to unlock seasonal mods for Armor 2.0

Character Stats
Discipline, Intellect, and Strength stats return from the original Destiny game
Your Discipline determines your grenade recharge rate
Your Intellect determines you super recharge rate
Your Strength determines your melee ability recharge rate
All stats now go from 0 to 100
For Discipline, Intellect, and Strength, a stat of 30 is the equivalent recharge rate to the pre-Shadowkeep recharge rate with no mods affecting that recharge rate applied
A stat of 100 is the equivalent of having 5 of the appropriate recharge rate-affecting mod applied
Each piece of armor now provides you with contributions to each of your six stats
Armor that drops in the world, from engrams, and activity rewards have randomized stats
Armor 2.0
All exotic and legendary armor will drop to use the new armor system
Armor 2.0 versions of exotic armor pieces can be pulled from your Collection provided you have collected that exotic
All Armor 2.0 armor pieces have an energy type (Arc, Solar, Void) and an energy capacity
Energy capacity can be upgraded by spending currencies and materials, to a maximum of 10
Armor with 10 energy is considered to be masterworked and provides a +2 bonus to all six character stats
All armor mods have an energy cost and an energy type (Arc, Solar, Void, or Any)
Arc, Solar, and Void mods can only be socketed into armor of the matching energy type; mods with an Any energy cost can be socketed into any armor
Each piece of armor comes with multiple armor mod sockets, into which your mods can be applied
A socketed armor mod occupies an amount of the armor's energy capacity equal to the mod's energy cost; you must have enough armor energy available to be able to socket a mod
Armor mods are no longer consumable, and are instead unlocked and resuable across all applicable armor pieces once acquired
Armor mods can be acquired from gunsmith packages, direct purchase from the gunsmith, world engrams, and pinnacle activity engrams
Armor 2.0 mods and pre-Armor 2.0 armor perks do not stack
Fully masterworked armor no longer provide bonus damage reduction when using your super
Actium War Rig
Now works with heavy machine guns
Lunafaction Boots
Removed the effect of automatically reloading allies' weapons while they occupy your rift
This exotic armor piece now grants a reload speed bonus for allies occupying your rifts


Masterworking Armor costs and levels have been updated to include two new materials: Enhancement Prisms and Ascendant Shards
Both these materials can be obtained via the following sources:
Nightfall: The Ordeal rewards
Purchased from the Gunsmith for a rotating variety of currency and resources
Other special reward sources such as the Season Pass
Enhancement Prisms and Ascendant Shards are capped at 50 and 10 respectively to limit hoarding, and to keep players unfamiliar with this system from sinking all their resources into a single item

Infusion between two items of any rarity now requires only a single material to complete: Upgrade Modules
Upgrade Modules can be obtained via the following sources:
Each of the Gunsmith Weekly Bounties award one Upgrade Module per week
Purchased from the Gunsmith for a rotating variety of currency and resources
Season of Undying free track Season Pass rank rewards
Upgrade Modules are capped at 25 to limit hoarding, and to keep players unfamiliar with this system from sinking all their resources into a single item
Discarding an Enhancement Core no longer deletes the entire stack

Bright Dust is now earned by completing Crucible, Gambit, and Vanguard weekly and repeatable bounties
We chose to grant all of Bright Dust from ritual weekly bounties rather than spreading it out across the weekly and daily bounties so players could more easily earn Bright Dust without having to make sure they complete every single daily
Players will be able to do the repeatable bounties as many times as they like
Any Crucible, Gambit, or Vanguard completed bounties need to be turned in before maintenance begins on 9/30 as these changes will reset them; other bounties—Gunsmith, clan, Eververse, etc.—can still be claimed after Oct 1
Eververse items no longer dismantle into Bright Dust, and instead grant legendary shards and glimmer
New Eververse items for Season of the Undying will become available for Bright Dust two weeks into the Season
Eververse items no longer require Bright Dust to reacquire them(or re-roll perks) from Collections; instead, they cost the same materials that reward items of the same type/rarity use
Fireteam Medallions have been removed from the store, deprecated into Fizzled Fireteam Medallions, and can now be dismantled into Bright Dust to recover their purchase price (50 Bright Dust)
Gleaming Boon of the Vanguard price has been lowered to 150 Bright Dust
Gleaming Boon of the Crucible price has been lowered to 500 Bright Dust

The Season 7 Best of Year One Engram has been retired, and in its place, players can now obtain the new Season 8 Nostalgic Engram
The Seasonal Milestone no longer grants a bounty; instead, it directly grants a Bright Engram
The Season 8 Nostalgic Engram is no longer earned at level up
Instead, the Bright Engram is now included in the free rewards of the Season Pass that are visible before level 100; it’s also awarded every 5 levels after level 100
The Eververse storefront is now available via the Director
Eververse bounties (standard and IGR versions) have been deprecated; any remaining bounty notes can be broken down into Bright Dust
You can still complete and turn in any outstanding Eververse bounties until they expire

Players can now store up to 250,000 Glimmer
Glimmer rewards from the majority of sources in the game have been rebalanced
Most open world sources (public events, Lost Sectors, chests) have been significantly increased
Passive Glimmer gain on kill has been reduced
In addition to directly awarding Glimmer on kill, combatants will sometimes drop additional Glimmer chunks
Weekly bounties award a large amount of Glimmer in addition to their other rewards

The Spider welcomes new opportunities with four arms open and now deals in materials from all planets
However, the Spider has noted changes in market value, and has adjusted his exchange rates accordingly:
Glimmer exchange now costs 10 Legendary Shards or 20 materials, and yields 10,000 Glimmer
Tangled Shore daily bounties no longer award Glimmer, providing instead Etheric Spirals (in keeping with his competition)
Weekly wanted bounties no longer award gear, but now provide between 3,000 and 15,000 Glimmer in addition to the Enhancement Cores currently offered

Xűr’s inventory pool and Fated Engram now include world-drop Exotics from Year 2

Select armor sets now function as Universal Ornaments. Once unlocked, these ornaments can be used to change the appearance of any Legendary Armor 2.0 item. Note armor items that correspond to converted Universal Ornaments have not been removed from player inventories; already owned armor items still exist in their current state.
All previously purchased Eververse armor pieces will unlock a corresponding Universal Ornament of the same appearance and slot on all Armor 2.0 items
Past Eververse sets have been converted to Universal Ornaments, and will be available in Silver bundles via the Eververse archive
Pricing for these bundles will be reduced for each piece in the bundled set already owned on the account
Seasons 1 and 3 sets will be available when Shadowkeep launches - additional seasonal sets will be added at later dates

Weekly bounties now award an Upgrade Module instead of an Enhancement Core
Banshee-44's mod inventory has been refreshed
Banshee-44 is now selling Upgrade Modules for infusion, as well as Enhancement Prisms and Ascendant Shards for armor Masterworking
Players who obtained a Legendary set of Solstice armor in Season of Opulence will find a bundle available on Banshee containing an Armor 2.0 version of the set
You must be logged in on the relevant class to see its bundle on Banshee (if you obtained that class's Legendary Solstice set)

All non-powerful rewards now drop 3 to 0 points below your highest equippable Power level, up from 15 to 20 below
Year 2 powerful reward sources have changed to Legendary rewards
These sources no longer have a chance to drop a random Exotic instead of the Legendary gear
Bonus Exotics that drop from Nightfall: The Ordeal will drop at the character’s highest equippable Power level
Under- and over-leveling activities no longer adjust how much Power is received from the rewards
Experience no longer fuels a player’s character level, which has been changed to be level 50 for all characters
Experience instead progresses the Season Pass, Seasonal Artifact mod, and Power progressions, as well as the unlocking of destinations for new characters
Experience rewards have been rebalanced with the introduction of the Season Pass and Seasonal Artifact progressions
The Power granted from the Seasonal Artifact is additive with the Power of the player’s equippable gear, but does not increase the Power of gear drops
All existing gear has had its Power increased to a minimum of 750; new characters will begin Destiny 2 at Power 750 as well
The Power bands for Season 8 are as follows
Floor: 750
Soft Cap: 900
All drops up to this point will be upgrades to the most powerful item in your inventory or vault
Beyond this point, only powerful and pinnacle rewards will increase a player’s Power
Powerful Cap: 950
All non-powerful/pinnacle rewards are capped at 950
Pinnacle rewards are the only way to raise Power above this point
Powerful rewards are equivalent to the character’s highest-equippable Power beyond this point
Pinnacle Cap: 960
This is the highest Power at which gear drops; also known as the “hard cap”
The Seasonal Artifact bonus Power allows characters to attain values above this level
Prime Engrams
Prime Engrams now gain charges more quickly, drop more frequently, and have a higher maximum charge cap (nine charges, up from six during Year 2)
The Power gains have been rebalanced for the increased frequency, providing +3 Power, down from a range of +4 to +7
Players who have completed the “Prime Example” quest prior to Shadowkeep’s release will earn charges, but those charges won’t drop until the character has reached 900 Power
This will help players avoid spending charges early for gains that are most beneficial during the Soft Cap to Powerful Cap range

Reworked Tower bounty pools, and added a new 'Repeatable Daily Bounty' which can be purchased by players for a significant amount of glimmer as many times as they like



Added new activity on the Vanguard screen - Nightfall: The Ordeal
Renamed Nightfall to Weekly Nightfall and adjusted base power level to 820
Added Rally Banner consumables to Hawthorne's inventory
Updated Nightfall scheduling to reduce long streaks without certain Strikes or duplicate Strikes.

Playlists Removed:
Playlists Added:
Control 6v6
6v6 Rotator
4v4 Rotator
Survival 3v3
Survival 3v3 Freelancer (solo queue)
Crucible Labs: Elimination 3v3
Classic Mix 6v6 (connection-based matchmaking)
Dead Cliffs
Legion's Gulch
Widow’s Court
Twilight Gap
Players cannot lose Glory ranks below Fabled I
Losing a match reduces Glory streak by 2 instead of resetting
Losing a match reduces Valor or Infamy streak by 1 instead of resetting
Glory adjusts more quickly to match player skill
Skill-matching algorithm adjusted to allow for greater variance of matches
Power Ammo crates are now shared in all 6v6 modes
Added physics to the Pacifica Crucible map to prevent players from being able to navigate into an unfairly advantageous position in the environment

Moved Nightfall challenges from Weekly Nightfall activity to Nightfall: The Ordeal, and retuned completions
Removed Daily Heroic Story Mission, Strike, Gambit, and Crucible challenges
Removed Ikora Weekly Bounty Completion challenge
Removed Petra's weekly challenge
Added Weekly Bounty Completion challenges to Shaxx, Banshee, Zavala, and Drifter

Added rally banners to Leviathan, Eater of Worlds, and Spire of Stars
“The Shattered Throne” Dungeon is now available at all times instead of on a three-week cycle
It can also be launched and reset from the Director

Black Armory forges are now accessible through a director launched playlist on EDZ


The Power level of all players' current gear will be set to 750 at launch. All new characters will start at Power 750
Black Armory Forges, Gambit, Gambit Prime, the Reckoning, and the Menagerie are available for all players
Leviathan raid lairs Eater of Worlds and Spire of Stars are available for all players
All players can enter Free Roam on all destinations, including the Moon (once the destination has been unlocked)
Many previously quests can now be picked up on various vendors

New characters are no longer required to play through Red War, Curse of Osiris or Warmind (a.k.a. Classic) campaigns before accessing various activities and quests
New characters can acquire the classic campaign pursuits from Amanda Holliday
If the player acquires a campaign pursuit for a mission on a planet they have not yet unlocked by earning XP, that planet will become unlocked
For example, if the player has only unlocked the EDZ and Titan, and then they acquire the Curse of Osiris campaign pursuit, the Mercury destination will become unlocked
New characters have immediate access to all playlist activities (but they still might not meet the Power requirements for higher tiers of Player Elected Difficulty, or they might need a special item like a Mote Synthesizer to play the Reckoning)
New character will be granted the New Light main quest. This quest will lead them through most ritual activities, Year 1 seasonal content, and Year 1 destinations
For new characters, Zavala, Shaxx, and Drifter will initially have simplified inventories. Players must complete a short intro quest for Strikes, Crucible, and Gambit to unlock the full inventory of bounties and pursuits on these vendors

The Black Armory area of the Tower Annex is now accessible to all players
Simplified the Black Armory intro quest
Removed the quests needed to Unlock the Izanami and Gofannon forges
Le Monarque and Jotunn are now first unlocked via pursuits found on Ada-1
The quest for Izanagi's Burden can now also be acquired from Ada-1
Introducing the Forge Rotator
Found on the EDZ Director Screen
Launch directly into a forge by selecting the node
Which Forge is playable rotates daily
Forges are no longer launched from EDZ or Nessus
Weapon frames no longer require specific forges in order to be completed

Escalation Protocol access is no longer gated on any campaign completion requirements


Fixed an issue where the "Cross Save Enabled" messaging was displayed for players who did not have Cross Save enabled.
Players can now use the Right-Stick and/or Mouse Wheel to scroll up and down on the Lore Tab without having the cursor focused on the scroll bar
Removed the Seasons Node on the Director (all seasonal information can be seen via the Seasons tab)
Added Key Mapping options for the Store, Quests and Seasons tabs
Added a small "You are here" indicator around a destination node (and a string in the tooltip) when the player is in that destination
The character level on the character nameplate has been replaced with the character's Class Icon
Fallen Spider Tanks are no longer utilizing stealth technology on their front mini-guns
Players who've obtained the Salute emote in the past can now correctly select it in their collection and assign it to their Emote wheel
The EDZ Region Chest Triumph now has a requirement of 20 chests for completion
Activating the Fist Bump and Handshake multiplayer emotes will now correctly announce to the Battlefeed
Removed a duplicate "Iron Truage Suit" armor set entry found in Hunter Collections
Runefinder buff will now only award Runes to the player with the buff and not have a chance to grant Runes for other fireteam members

Apply actions will work on the first attempt
Huginn will no longer sell Tinctures to players who have full inventories (no free space)
Fixed an issue where some items would not appear in the loot stream if multiple items were awarded at the same time
Multiplayer (Buddy) emotes will now have a visible indication of where a player can stand to be able to interact and initiate the emote
Players who complete Gambit Prime Civic Duty bounties (which don't require playing Gambit) will now correctly retain their Infamy points when returning to Orbit from destinations/activities
The last shipments of the Vestian Dynasty sidearm have been recalled from all sources and vendors and sent to Spider for disposal
The Queen of Hearts exotic ship now dismantles in 4 seconds, like other exotics, and now correctly uses the exotic acquired SFX
Fixed an issue where Gambit Prime envoys didn't count towards the Envoy While It Lasts bount
Failing the first encounter for any Black Armory Forge will no longer award planetary destination materials
Fixed an issue where players would lose rewards if they claimed a bounty in private matches
The timer for Timed Activities (such as the Heroic Whisper of the Worm mission) will now activate after 5 minutes if at least one player has loaded into the activity
Fixed an issue where the "Bank This!" Gambit medal was not being correctly awarded when Invaders killed opposing Guardians holding motes near their Bank, which was preventing the associated "Bank This!" Triumph from progressing

ICR fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Oct 1, 2019

Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

I did a fart in the thread. I christened it.

Looking forward to moon stuff

Oct 23, 2003

It's both thrilling and terrifying.

Bring back Touch of Malice.

A Buff Gay Dude
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

First post

Legs Benedict
Jul 14, 2002

You can either follow me to our bedroom or bend over that control throne because I haven't been this turned on in FOREVER!

bullshit, im the first post

Mar 18, 2010

Bad Dog

PC Players.... ennh ennh ennh ennnhehehh

Console Players... doo DOO doo doo

Jun 9, 2013

Maybe this time I will get through all of my exotic quests without wandering into the street screaming

Which is to say I'm looking forward to playing this video game again!

Mar 30, 2010

Gonna get my Redrix and Luna and prowl the moon for cool new guns

Nov 7, 2015

I am very excited for the arrival of Chad O'Keef

Apr 4, 2008

Whoa! You're gonna be a legend!

Can't wait to shoot my new space guns

I'm gonna find that Wizard, you know the one

A Buff Gay Dude
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Cool that by making a new thread the OP has allowed all the console posters banned from the old thread to post here, in the distinct thread

A Buff Gay Dude
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

Anyway here’s to cool guns and acquiring them

Nov 7, 2015

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Cool that by making a new thread the OP has allowed all the console posters banned from the old thread to post here, in the distinct thread

you didn't exactly respect your ban from the old thread anyway

Sep 23, 2007

I bought the digital deluxe because I'm a dumbass and irresponsible consumer when coupons become involved. That said I am excited to shoot bad dudes on the moon.

I just hope joining other players/fireteams is easier then having to add them to your friend's list. I hate having to add someone to a friends list just so I can join their game and play with them once, and then spend a year trying to remember who they were and debate removing them.

There was a way around it before, but it was a bit finicky because people had to have the right settings set.

Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

The digital deluxe comes with a free season and I am an absolute slut for deals

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.

Is the migration going to complete all the exotic quests I never finished before bombarding me with new ones or am I going to immediately get hit with a mountain of poo poo to do paralyzing me with fear as I become unable to grasp what to do at any given time???

May 2, 2017

Mar 18, 2010

Bad Dog

Shadowkeep $35
- $25 Shadowkeep
- $10 for 1 Season

Digital Deluxe $60
- $25 Shadowkeep
- $8.75 for 4 Seasons

Really the big incentive is that you don't have to fish out your wallet three more times, IMHO

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.

Actually the real incentive is all the friends you make along the way

Sep 14, 2007

everything's cool

Excited for another destiny expansion I eventually quit because of the state of PvP, let’s go guardians

Maybe I’ll actually do a raid in y3! Proud to be the only guardian who never did one despite playing a bunch.

Jul 9, 2012

Ellipson posted:

Excited for another destiny expansion I eventually quit because of the state of PvP, let’s go guardians

Maybe I’ll actually do a raid in y3! Proud to be the only guardian who never did one despite playing a bunch.

You don't have to play PVP.
Like, ever.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.

I wasn’t aware D2 still had PVP after the cowardly removal of Trials...

Mar 18, 2010

Bad Dog

D2 Trials was possibly the worst form of pvp in D2

No radar 4-man Countdown/Survival in a Scout Meta for fixed roll guns that were not good

Feb 6, 2009

Is Shadowkeep adding any new weapon types or class stuff?

Mar 18, 2010

Bad Dog

FuzzySlippers posted:

Is Shadowkeep adding any new weapon types or class stuff?

Tons! TONS

Sep 23, 2007

FuzzySlippers posted:

Is Shadowkeep adding any new weapon types or class stuff?

I don't believe there's any new outright weapon types, but I think one of the exotics is a heavy slot bow, and another is a handcanon that takes special ammo and feels almost like a sniper?

New class stuff comes in the form of finishing blows, I think, but no new trees.

Sep 14, 2007

everything's cool

SmallpoxJenkins posted:

You don't have to play PVP.
Like, ever.

I am but a simple KD farmer, collecting blueberries and trying to feed my family

Mar 18, 2010

Bad Dog

Yeah this is already a game with sidearms and hand cannons, rapid autos and slow SMGs, Scouts and Bows, burst-firing pistols and slow firing pulses

There are only so many new "archetypes" they can add when ultimately they need every gun to Kill A Sucka In Like 1 Second

But the archetypes you know and love will be available in new colors!

Jun 17, 2007


The artifact has a bunch of really cool mods that will spice up how you approach the existing trees.

Except Solar lol

Quantum Shart
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.

New soundtrack is up

Buy it for speccy emblem

Sultan Tarquin
Jul 29, 2007

and what kind of world would it be? HUH?!

The only thing I care about is shaders.

Jan 7, 2014

Sultan Tarquin posted:

The only thing I care about is shaders.

Aug 18, 2003

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Cool that by making a new thread the OP has allowed all the console posters banned from the old thread to post here, in the distinct thread

No they have not. Stick to the console thread.

Sep 3, 2009

Oven Wrangler

As someone who knows nothing about Destiny 2, how is the game different from Warframe? Some of those gifs in the OP almost looked like Warframe somehow.

Nov 8, 2012

I haven't played since Warmind, do people do old raids? If I were to get back into Destiny and play with goons, should I also be getting Forsaken or can I just skip it?

Glenn Quebec
Oct 30, 2005

That's because our downstream reality reflects an upstream case but I'm going to violate it.

If I bought the base game from Activision or whatever I did a few years ago --- can I use my same character on the steam version

Jul 19, 2013

Glenn Quebec posted:

If I bought the base game from Activision or whatever I did a few years ago --- can I use my same character on the steam version

That might be down during the downtime though?

Jul 9, 2012

Ambaire posted:

As someone who knows nothing about Destiny 2, how is the game different from Warframe? Some of those gifs in the OP almost looked like Warframe somehow.

This game and warframe have nothing in common aside from SPACE, and those gifs look nothing like what you can do in Warframe.
I honestly don't know why people insist on constantly drawing that comparison.


Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Weirdo space hero looter shooter

But one is fps and one is tps for starters

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