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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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The Worlds looked horrific, but I will definitely go watch in person next time there’s something in Yorkshire. Though maybe they should stick to early summer.

Is there a more general cycling thread somewhere in the forums?

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wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Weak. You’d have thought they’d find sponsors easily, and the budget for the whole shebang would be in easy reach of any random tech mogul in SF.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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HappyCamperGL posted:

It's like a specific statute that criminalises WADC violations. So I assume would cover even OTC stuff that's prohibited by WADA.

Isn’t caffeine a controlled substance too though? In my experience France is a lot more lax about prescription drugs than other European countries.

Feels Villeneuve posted:

Yeah that'll happen when someone beats the field by four minutes or something.

It’s exactly like when one team has a player sent off early in a big football match. Ruins it, outcome is obvious.

goatface posted:

How does he always get the hair poking out of his helmet so perfectly?

He actually shaves his head every night, but the side effects enhance hair growth…

goatface posted:

They should give Mohoric his TT bike.
Sorry, I’m new to serious Tdf watching:
Do they not all have the same spec TT bike?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Albinator posted:

They all have to be race legal, but they're by no means identical.

Why wouldn’t each team have the best bike they can for every competitor though?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Given how tight it is in most rear hubs I can't imagine getting any sort of decent motor in there.

Someone has already been caught with a stealth eBike in a women’s under 23 race. Battery & mechanism in the seat tube, driving via bottom bracket directly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/35452791

It seems possible given the higher stakes and the number of spare bikes the teams have floating about.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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tylertfb posted:

The grass run-out after the drop looks much steeper from that angle than the broadcast cameras made it look. That course ruled.

Yeah, those riders are incredible, and Pidcock especially is so smooth it looked like a monotonous easy singletrack loop from the TV coverage.

Better camera placement would’ve helped a lot.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Bud Manstrong posted:

Hey. Go watch the women’s XC replay. It was good as hell. Remarkable ride by a deserving winner on a tough course in challenging conditions.

They put the ramp back in, the one that Van Der Poel thought would be there! Do they think the women can’t do drops?

It really looked like a very different course compared to the men’s race due to weather, looked slightly ridiculous having more than half the field have to get off and push on the first lap.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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peanut- posted:

Nothing says Vuelta like a guy doing an awful cover of Creep with earnest interpretive dance accompaniment to an audience of 12 people (2:18 if the time link doesn't work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNShYX_ykGg&t=138s

This was amazing, and a totally inappropriate song choice for a corporate type event like this. He even sang “loving”, if a bit quiet.

I guess Burgos is the Norwich of Spain.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Watched the highlights, why did Pidcock finish with a leisurely roll over the line after sprinting the first 500 metres?

Told to lift off for some reason?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Ineos domestiques aren't supposed to try in TT's

Yeah maybe, but what’s the harm? The lead rider losing face?

wooger fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Aug 15, 2021

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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TobinHatesYou posted:

Pros will train up to ~150 CTL in the month(s) leading to grand tours, then quickly taper in order to avoid starting with a negative TSB value. By the end of a grand tour, they will be closer to 200 CTL with a TSB of -75 or worse. They literally have no extra fitness or form to waste.

A week of a grand tour can be north of 1800 TSS, aka >257 TSS per day.

My absolute peak in one week of training was 1540 TSS on ~29 hours of riding. It took me 6 months of a steady ramp to do that without hurting myself.

Sorry, what do those acronyms mean?
I get the concept of saving his effort, but it seems pointless to include a top level athlete like Pidcock and not allow him to even try in a hilly time trial.

I guess I don’t see the appeal to Pidcock of going from being a world / Olympic champion in one discipline, to labouring as effectively a cycling butler for someone else who may or may not be as talented.
Just a matter of earning his stripes on the road first?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Skarsnik posted:

Pidcock isn't riding tomorrow :saddowns:

Don’t understand, is this injury, team selection or his choice?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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So, for the neutral wheel swaps, have the teams all agreed to use a common disc size / cassette, spacing etc? I bet if a grabbed a wheel off my mates disc bike it wouldn’t just slot in and work acceptably.

Is anyone on rim brakes today?
Are the riders still using their road shoes, or swapped to SPD for the muck?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Smirr posted:

They should give a special jersey to PR winners, and it supersedes the European hhampion jersey

It should be solid brown.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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He’s hosed it.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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kimbo305 posted:

Have there been high profile attempts where the rider DNFed knowing they didn’t have it? Would be better viewing having them less short of breath and bring interviewed explaining why they didn’t have it.

Yeah, definitely one of those events that’s not ideal for TV, it’d be perfect to cut back to for an update during some other sports coverage though.

I wonder how easily the bigger TT specialist guys on the tour could beat the record. Wout, Ganna, Roglic, and some of the lead out guys I’m forgetting. When weight is almost totally irrelevant, doesn’t make sense for an average size guy like Dowsett to have a hope.

Dan Bigham did much in his hour record attempt a few weeks ago, along with his partner Joss actually taking the womens record. As he’s not currently a pro rider in the UCI testing pool it wouldn’t have counted officially anyway. Sure to repeat it once that’s sorted I think.

Great interview about it on the Peak Torque YouTube channel.

Edit: corrected facts.

wooger fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Nov 4, 2021

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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goatface posted:

Should have tried changing lives through fat bribes to the UCI.

They probably tried bribing with their pretend money.

Although if they have the money for bribes, maybe and idea to pay their team?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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serious gaylord posted:

As it stands Lotto Soudal would not have a world tour licence next year.

Are there other capable pro teams ready to take their place in the world tour?

If so, what’s the problem?

Clearly the UCI points should match up with the perceived glory and marketing value of each race (90% of all points just for the TDF, 0% for all of cyclocross ;) ), but you can’t just ignore the existing allocation.

goatface posted:

Well, it's a choice.

You’d have thought there’s maybe a helpful marketing opportunity in going green, given their team name.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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kimbo305 posted:

Who puts a timetable on a femur recovery, jfc.

Without complications, and with expensive medical care, bones are quicker and more predictable to fix & rehab vs any joint or ligament issue.

The patella is worse.

It does seem ridiculous to think he’ll race this year though.

Ronan the everesting record holder from cyclingtips broke his lower legs bones and has them pinned with an external cage, but will be walking again shortly.

https://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/everesting-world-record-holder-mclaughlin-suffers-broken-leg-in-weird-crash/

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Magnificent. Who’s the guy with the moves who seems like he’s seen a rap video before?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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serious gaylord posted:

The position is still legal in the UK time trialing scene which being on open roads means being able to actually see is very important. Tom Pidcock has said that the UCI positions are not safe outside of closed road conditions because you cant see anything.

It could be that Bernal saw the Bus but thought he was either far enough away or the quick glance up meant he didn't notice it wasnt moving?

The UCI badly need to move to a practice of setting rules only when there’s some problem or loophole that’s being badly abused, and ideally start getting rid of their existing rules where there’s no obvious evidence or reason for them to exist.

There just so much arbitrary nonsense in the rules about saddle offset, bar position, fricking sock length etc. that only harms riders.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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paddyboat posted:

I don’t know anything about drones but you could probably put a minimum altitude on them? Like 12’ up is a better shot than 3’ anyway.

The point is surely to replace what a motorcycle camera could do, without getting so in the way.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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serious gaylord posted:

I was gonna say. Thomas is widely regarded to have lost far more races than he should have done due to his absolute garbage positioning.

I suppose “on the floor looking surprised at having fallen off” is a position too.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

There's been a few of them in the peloton for a while

What was it about his helmet, I just watched the ending and it looks normal.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Where can you bet on the results?

A few 100/1 shots sounds like a plan.

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Apr 16, 2005

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Feels Villeneuve posted:

i know this is a mildly chauvinistic thing to say about South Americans but he's always pretty high up on the list of "guys who are probably older than they say"

They have birth records in South America and no reason to lie. That’s more of an African footballer meme, where they have incentive to cheat their way into European club’s youth programs as ‘oddly precocious’ teens.

Probably just sun aging and having a strong facial features that helps him look 45.

What does this mean in reality? Are you predicting something other than a race geometry big tyre clearance drop bar bike actually being used? I’d be surprised if the bikes differ from the ones used in Paris-Roubaix at all tbh.

More interested to see if many European pros compete.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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gohuskies posted:

Lmao at MVDP's Strava for DDV:



Absolutely alien stuff.

Bizarrely, this is not that far from the average, weighted and max power on some of my rides (100km ish at >100kg), even the same average cadence as me. It’s just the speed part that I lack. :asoiaf:

4,600 KJ is only about 1100 kcal - There’s some other formula to work out calories burned right?

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Your muscles are pretty far from 100% efficient, more like 20% or so. There'll be more advanced formulae that take into account varying efficiency based on power zone but just setting work in kJ = work in calories (so 23% efficiency) is a reasonably good approximation for the most part.

Yeah just checked Strava directly and it guesstimates about 4600 kcal burned for his race, much more sensible.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:

What might be cool but also cruel would be a long TT or TTT, like 65km long. Actually what I'd really like is if they'd bring back that race, the Trofeo Baracchi which is a two rider TTT over about 100km. That might be really interesting.

Both please.
Finally a grand tour where someone over 70kg can have a chance. For too long the sport has been dominated by mountain twinks with pathetic W/cda.

Also some stages that start up a mountain and have near zero ascending.

Pog will still win.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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BlankSystemDaemon posted:

So all these riders with COVID-19 are gonna miss TdF in Denmark?

Depends how bad they have it. Post jabs, I had 2.5 days of feeling tired and achey and then had no Ill effects when back on the trainer on day 5. A friend had it bad early on, and is still having treatment for long covid this week.

I suspect a bunch of the dropouts aren’t even positive, but just want to avoid infection risk for this meaningless race when 99% of everything their teams & sponsors care about depends on the TdF.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:

Geraint Thomas is the most boring rider. One of the slightly older generation that grind up behind a team train and then launch when they're almost at the finish.

All gc riders ever you mean?

He’s likeable and funny on his podcasts and he’s got teammates that’ll kill themselves for him, glad he’s back.

The TdF will benefit from anyone from a competent gc team staying in touch for a while.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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StarkingBarfish posted:

This. Wout having fun and putting minimal pressure on pog for a few weeks is better than just watching pog ride a very boring ineos off his wheel.

Ineos should maybe start taking risks and attacking with their glut of top10 GC contenders at some point soon.

Their riders aren’t as good as Pog for sure, but 4 of them trading off attacks and at least making him think about something will help everyone.

Maybe/likely they’ll come in 3rd anyway, but maybe Pog’s remaining domestiques can be exposed and then we have 2 weeks of fun - especially if Wout starts riding as a domestique again.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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So Yates just… didn’t bother trying to follow the other GC contenders? Unhelpful.

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Apr 16, 2005

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Loving Africa Chaps posted:

I think easily. Vingegard's opening TT was exceptional but the next TT he's likely to be in yellow and taking zero risks, pog will absolutely risk going into the barriers if he's behind then.

It’s less of a tight, technical route though - so going all out isn’t quite as much of a crash risk as in the wet Danish TT.

Gotta be equally wary of a vest-free Geraint Thomas imo.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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serious gaylord posted:

Soler missed the time cut.

He finished? He’d better get the most combative award just for being alive.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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goatface posted:

That would be hard in a three week grand tour.

Nah, 100KM time trial at the end of week one.
150km team time trial at the end of week 2.

Both flat.

That’ll gently caress-up the climby men.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Peggotty posted:

I can't find odds for the Vuelta on any of the betting sites so it looks like the bookmakers have no idea either.

The teams don’t even know 100% who’s gonna be riding, seems pointless to bet now.

peanut- posted:

I like a TTT but including one in the Tour would just blow up the GC chances for anyone outside maybe the 5 biggest teams (or realistically, anyone except Jumbo as long as Wout is like this).

Yeah there’s so much competition from small/poor teams for GC right now isn’t there, be terrible to lose that…

A TTT and longer TTs are essential to actually impact the climby men and differentiate the categories a bit more.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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StarkingBarfish posted:

Yeah, I've mixed feelings about the TdFF, because while this is better than they've had before, it's still a long way away from a full tour. The fact that WWT races have that limit is shameful IMO. Unless something has changed since I last looked, most of the research pointed to women performing as well as, or better than the men over long distances. Any physiological differences tend to act over shorter efforts. It'd be nice to have a full length tour for the women, especially since as a younger sport with greener teams there's much more opportunity for upsets and combativity. I get that money is an issue for the teams but the men's take could be subsidising it.

It’s a big loss leader to help women’s sport in the long run. The money from the mens side is already subsidising it.

The sponsors and organisers and especially the teams are prepared to go this far, but a 3 week tour is not worth it to them at present. The name will help, maybe, but being up against the Women’s Euros won’t help - how much sport can people be bothered with watching on TV when it’s warm outside?

See what the tv audiences do, but with the Women’s Giro having the worst possible scheduling and the TdFF being scheduled just after people have binged on the TdF for 3 weeks, hard to see a breakthrough.

The week before the TdF would be the best scheduling imo.

wooger
Apr 16, 2005

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Stutes posted:

With no rest days, did then even have any mandatory testing other than maybe pre-race?

Indeed, that’d guarantee it.

But also 1/3 the time, 1/100th the media and 1/10000th the fans in most places to cough on them.

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Apr 16, 2005

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Heliosicle posted:

He's as amped up about it as I'd expect

Seriously what prick is riding a trainer in summer, anywhere? Even the Zwift fans don’t talk about it.

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Apr 16, 2005

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

The design will help - aero frames + wheels now will save a lot of watts at 100km/h, and that'll translate into higher top speeds. It's the long straightish non-technical ones that you get those speeds on anyway.

And 10x more effect from skin suits, helmets, socks and just actually testing and refining an aerodynamic position on the bike. The rider is way more important.

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