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Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015
Hi all!! I haven't really followed fantasy ouside the more famous stuff these past few years but i was looking for recommendations on books/series. While i normally like smaller scale and/or weirdeir stuff i'm in the mood for something epic.
For context i really like the erikson malazan books but couldn't get into the esslemont ones.
I read the first law by abercrombie and the first bakker trilogy, and while entertaining, i found them lacking in some aspects. The stormlight archives were just dull and boring.
Fantasy books i recently read and liked were Nights at the Circus by Angela Carter, The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick and Lud-in-the-Mist, by Hope
Mirrlees.
If someone got recommendations about fantasy from non-english speaking countries those are welcome as well.

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Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015
Thanks all for the recommendations!!!


What's your opinion on them? Although the world was interesting, and with hints of various things happening in the background, i thought the book had a satisfying conclusion and didn't feel the need for a sequel or expansion.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

You've read China Mieville? If not, he's probably your next jam.

I've been meaning to follow Mieville more closely for some time, mainly for the outspoken politics, but only read kraken, which i enjoyed. I think i have a copy of the scar, is that a good followup?


wow so many new things to search!! My potential reading list for the new year will include a lot more fantasy than anticipated!!´


I was gifted this as an early christmas present. The premise makes it seem just what i'm looking for.


I always heard good things about black company and a translation of the first volume was recently released in my country, but the omnibus edition sounds tempting. Never heard of Dread Empire but will check it out.

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Some 60s sci-fi has aged... interestingly


Yearghh!! Look out! The trans homosexuals are coming to kill your family... from space! (I still really like Cordwainer Smith stories though)

I recently read the rediscovery of man (the masterworks version, not the complete one as i sadly learned after) and this struck me as so out of place.
I can see a conservative slant and a clear bias of young and/or daring women falling in love with older establishment man in the stories, but the sheer hatred that comes across in the depiction of the same-sex society is so odd, even more considering the threats to humanity and horrors that appear throughout the whole book and are never treated with this revulsion.
Shame, because i really like the whole universe, and most of the stories are pretty neat, among the most interesting sf i read from that period, and as mentioned the cat bit of the story is really awesome.

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

quantumfoam posted:

I have repeatedly stated in this thread and the last SF&F thread that Cordwainer Smith aka Paul Linebarger was the god-father of the furry movement. His cat obsession and really wanting to gently caress cats, more specifically one pet cat he owned became more and more overt as he wrote.

The story his entire "rediscovery of man" cycle is based on is actually super creepy. It is 3 literal nazi child-brides from the past getting chain-married to the same immortal guy bored with utopian life that gets woke with German Nazi notNazi values leading to the rebirth of humanity thanks to World War 2 cryogenics, and Wernher von Braun.

In real life, Paul Linebarger aka Cordwainer Smith worked for the US Government during the peak white-washing Nazi's via Paperclips anti-communism years & also authored a book on disinformation called Psychological Warfare.....so it is possible that the creepiness in Cordwainer Smith's stories just got semi-explained.



Talking about cool writers being extremely shady people.This is very informative and explains a lot, i was dimly aware of his professional career, but such proclivities are often left out of summarized biographies (shame!!).
As far as i know there are just the short stories and the novella( Nostrillia, i think?), is there other source where i can read more about that bonkers story of the cycle?

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

quantumfoam posted:

Going to give you a broad spectrum of recommendations.

So terrible they need to be experienced at least once by anyone who calls themselves a SF&F fan(some of these loop around into being so bad they are good territory)
===
Cities in Flight/James Blish
Kampus/James E Gunn
Agent of Chaos/Norman Spinrad
A Case of Conscience/James Blish
Space Relations/Donald Barr
Inherit the Stars/James P Hogan
The Weapon Shops of Isher/AE Van Vogt

Oddball
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Bill the Galactic Hero 2: Planet of Robot Slaves/Harry Harrison
Destination: Universe!/AE Van Vogt
Strata/Terry Pratchett
The Technicolor Time Machine/Harry Harrison
Monday Begins on Saturday/Strugatski Brothers
Cyberiad/Stanislaw Lem
Pliocene Exile series/Julian May
Cosmic Computer/H Beam Piper
When Harlie was One/David Gerrold
To Die in Italbar/Roger Zelazny
Machine in Shaft Ten and other stories/M John Harrison
Eye/Frank Herbert
The Futurological Congress/Stanislaw Lem
The Tourist/Claire Noto -read the screenplay, not the fan-written novelization of the screenplay

Socialist scifi
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The Star Fraction/Ken MacLeod
Mercenary/Mack Reynolds
The Committed Men/M John Harrison

"Modern" fantasy & scifi
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The Darkling Sea/James Cambias
City of Bones/Martha Wells
Toast and other stories/Charles Stross -this short story collection was released for free by Stross around 2010-ish.
True Names/Vernor Vinge
The Wizard Hunters/Martha Wells
Fiasco/Stanislaw Lem
Peace War & Marooned in Realtime/Vernor Vinge

non-fiction
===
Netizens -reading this may lead you down the same path of 1980s -1990s pop-culture exploration that I am on
Prisoners Lovers Spies: The story of invisible ink/Kristie Macrakis
Let it Shine: the 6000 year story of solar energy/John Perlin

e: can't believe I forgot Julian May's Pliocene Exile series and the technicolor time machine. adding both these to my list

You seem to be the person who recommends Lem the most around here, what's your opinion on the english translations? Most of his work available in portuguese is in old collections infamous for really bad translations, so if the english ones are better i will try to grab them.

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

cptn_dr posted:

Malazan is the thing I love most that I know I can't in good conscience recommend to other people.
I feel like if Erikson wasn't as good writer as he is, the books would be utterly unreadable, as evidenced by Malazan books written by anyone other than Steven Erikson.

This!! I really enjoy the series (well love and hate things about it, but i guess that's where my fascination with it comes from) but i find myself wondering all the time if i should recommend it to anyone.
The length and d&d high fantasy trappings are a immediate barrier. And then the writing is not innovative or structured enough for my "literary" leaning friends, and it feels verbose and aimless to the fantasy fans.

Personally i love the writing and "meaningless" wanderings of the series, and tried but could't read the esslemont books.

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

The books are definitely flawed but i think i love them because of all the "chaff".
In my opinion if the books were heavily edited ( as in trimmed down) they might be decent, if formulaic, fantasy, but would lose everything unique about them. ( but, as i said in my previous post, i also hate plenty of plot-related things, and the first part of your spoiler is one of the things i could't stand).

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

General Battuta posted:

Look there's some weird guys. Oh, they're on the verge of becoming gods? Why? I don't know. I guess because they rode a special boat. Now there are dogs coming! And a special portal carriage! Oh no, a giant green statue fell from the sky. A man has killed his pig god by accident. Now the ghosts of dead children must defend the throne of shadows. This amnesiac with a weird sword is a nuclear bomb, and this other guy must suck his dick for eternity lest he explode. Don't let the jaghut fight the t'lann i'mass or there will be a convergence and I guess the tarot cards might get funny. Who's there? What's that? Oh it's the god of potsherds and this was his plan all along.

It was like listening to a guy narrate the painting on the side of his van, which is probably for many people a really cool experience. But drat.

fritz posted:

The first Malazan is the best precisely because its so confusing and weird.

There are already some good suggestions with the scope and sense of history of Malazan, but what about books that can be described as the above quotes?
Not necessarily just fantasy, can be sci-fi or hard to categorize.

(I unironically recommend Europe's Tragedy as well. Such a great book.)

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Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015

fez_machine posted:

If you know what is going on in Hannu Rajaniemi's Jean le Flambeur series without reading a wiki I envy you.

I only read Quantum Thief and loved it!! There’s a reason i asked for things like this.
I like the feeling of being lost, with barely an idea of what’s going on.

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