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Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

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Oct 4, 2008

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bmSB9JeKj0

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Oct 4, 2008

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I hope Rowena flirting with pudgy Ketch doesn't become an ongoing thing. That could get annoying pretty fast.

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Oct 4, 2008

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I wonder how Heaven is doing? Remember when they didn't have enough angels to keep the place stable, and it was in danger of falling apart and losing all the good souls? So they tried to kidnap young Jack, leading to a few more of them dying. And then they let Lucifer in and he did nothing to improve the situation.

So is Heaven still falling apart?

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Oct 4, 2008

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Felt bad for Sam getting cockblocked tho.

Kinda wondering how they are gonna beat God cause if the whole darkness thing is legit, then if he dies so does like, life. He doesn't strike me as the type to just let poo poo go either. It's nice to have no loving clue where the season is going though.

They don't really need to kill him, just punt him into another universe. He can't travel as long as he's wounded.

OTOH eventually Sam will die, either killing Chuck too or freeing him. Unless the link makes Sam immortal too??

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Oct 4, 2008

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Chuck in a casino just smiting anyone who annoys him. No wonder he's bored. There's no thrill to gambling if you can't lose. So basically he's reduced to torturing a waitress for fun.

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Oct 4, 2008

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We saw two other universes where monsters had taken over even though Chuck was fine. I'm not sure how much of a moderating effect he really has.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Chuck probably wasn't here the whole time. He claims that there are other realities with other Sams and Deans. Did he spend time there? What about the last few months when he was stuck in our reality? Does he need to spend time in a reality to keep it from falling apart, or is it enough that he exists somewhere?

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Oct 4, 2008

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Honestly that whole scenario seemed janky. God gets locked in a box and within 2 years chaos reigns.

The alphas area all dead. Jinns, gods, demons, and other complex to kill things are mostly very rare and don't reproduce quickly if at all.

The monsters that can reproduce quickly are relatively weak and simple to kill. Vamps and werewolves are both vulnerable to guns and knives. While we see Sam and Dean clowning soldiers in that one episode, most hunters are just normal people which means most reasonably fit dudes could be trained to be hunters. Vamps kryptonite is "dead man's blood" a substance in practically infinite supply if all the morgues and mortuaries started bottling it instead of disposing of it. Werewolves start sizzling if they touch silver. Humanity has the technology to deal with this poo poo.

The only reason most monsters are a threat at all is because humanity as a whole doesn't believe in monsters. These days everyone in america including most poor people and even many homeless people are carrying around cameras 24/7. And if you get footage of something weird, it's like literally a 20 minute thing to upload it the internet where it becomes almost impossible to disappear. Remember when Michael had some juiced up monsters trying to take over a city last year? There has to be some footage of that. And with most of the most powerful monsters and demons dead, there shouldn't be many players left with the desire and ability to keep all this secret anymore.

Obviously it has stayed secret so far because the setting of the show is "just like RL except all the monsters are real" and if everybody knows monsters are real the setting can't stay just like RL for long. But it's the final season, nothing would be ruined by the secret getting out now.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Tiggum posted:

The idea that they never knew how to pick locks, just kind of stuck a bit of metal in there and wiggled it around and the lock popped open because they were the protagonists and "that's how the story goes" is hilarious to me. :roflolmao:

I guess this explains why most folks believed they were FBI agents, despite getting scruffier and scruffier over the years.

And now they've lost their plot armor. :ohdear:

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Oct 4, 2008

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I’ve been going through Supernatural for the first time ever since March and I’ve been really enjoying the ride but I just got to the Season 6 episode where J2 get transported to our universe where Supernatural is a TV show and it was so great that I’m scared to continue because I’m worried it can’t possibly be anything but a letdown from here on out.

Good instincts. You are headed into the mid-series slump. The "oh for fucks sake stop keeping secrets from each other that's 90% of your problems!!!" years. But every season has a few really good episodes, and the whole thing picks up again eventually.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Sirotan posted:

Before I watched Supernatural I always heard people ragging everything past season 5 but I thought they were almost all really great, I mean you've got soulless Sam, Leviathans, Abaddon. And yeah you still haven't gotten to Scoobynatural or Baby!

I think part of the problem is that the first 5 years have an arc where the story continues to build toward the apocalypse. There was a 5 year plan. Every season after that is written not knowing if it will get renewed for another season, so it doesn't have that sense of building toward something.

Also the Frankensteins were a lame rear end season villain. That was the low point for me.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Sigh I don’t really like this Leviathan story arc so much.

Yeah, it's not the best.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Never really thought it was, honestly. Cas, as a character, is utterly indifferent to sexuality (hell, as an angel he can't even taste food like humans do, but even during his human phase, he was still hetero), and Dean is completely hetero (except maybe holding onto to cas's jacket in the leviathan season, even Jensen called that move kinda gay). Any sort of "will they/won't they" has been completely just in the fans minds.

Hell, being upset about that is like the wincest people getting pissed the brothers never hooked up.

The show and writers are not really responsible for people who decide something is there, when it's not.

I did really like the speech though, and Collins sold it so very well. Loved the callback with the handprint too.

It's almost a criticism of society that so many people can't accept a strong intense love between men that is completely non-sexual. Not even between brothers, for the Wincest folks.

Supernatural is a love story, but it's not a romantic love story. Romantic love isn't the only kind of love. The love of family can be real and strong. The love of family of choice can be real and strong.

Not getting the kind of love story you were hoping for isn't queerbaiting.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Tequila25 posted:

I figure it's going to be like final two episodes of The Good Place (vague The Good Place ending spoilers)

The penultimate episode concludes the main storyline with a happy ending, and the last episode covers what eventually happens with the main characters.

"Carry on, my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done"

It could be nice to see them get to retire and enjoy the world they saved.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Tiggum posted:

I still can't believe Jack didn't get rid of the monsters - or bring Eileen back to life. Did he just leave her off the list? Even if they couldn't get her back for the last episode, they could have used a photo to show she was still alive.

But seriously, the monster thing. Why? You could have just taken all the monsters and the magic away. It would have made so much more sense.

He's sort of implied to be there (maybe running the place?) but doesn't appear on screen.

He didn't want to meddle. You start meddling and where does it end? He also has the lessons he learned in his short life about power going wrong, like when he accidentally killed a dude. Start throwing around god level powers to fundamentally change the nature of reality (eg. magic exists) and things could go really, really wrong.

It is also unnecessary. All the First's are long gone. All the super demons are gone. Most of the gods are gone and the few left on Earth are weak as hell. Nearly everything left on earth is within human ability to deal with. (Maybe tuck the stray leviathans back into purgatory since they are dang near impossible to kill.) Let humanity write their own story of finally defeating the monster under the bed.

We also don't see Jack fix climate change, or war, or crime. Maybe he'll do it later. Maybe without Chuck stirring the pot to make things more interesting humanity will be able to get our poo poo together and fix our own problems.

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Oct 4, 2008

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I laughed that Sam kept that same terrible haircut all those years.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Tiggum posted:

He could have turned them human though? He wasn't forced to choose between doing nothing and doing this one specific thing (killing them). He's literally omnipotent.

I'm fine with him taking his time. Just because he doesn't do something the first week, the first year, or the first century doesn't mean he is doing nothing. As far as we know he also didn't snap his fingers and do away with war or hunger on earth, he just gave everyone the inner knowledge that doing better is possible.

While in our world it would be a cop out, in their world fixing the afterlife may be more important. He's not making heaven on earth, he's making heaven in heaven. Getting into heaven isn't hard, you don't have to religious to get into heaven, very flawed people get into heaven. And while earth was still trucking along pretty well, heaven was on the brink of collapse. In Supernatural becoming a ghost is seriously worse than almost anything that happens to the living, and with heaven near collapse and a huge chunk of Reapers gone the danger of mass ghosting had never been higher.


Jack is omnipotent, but he's also literally a child. He was born in season 12, so he's 3 years old. Not rushing in and messing with a bunch of systems he doesn't understand is very mature for his age.

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Oct 4, 2008

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latinotwink1997 posted:

My comment was meant as a joke but I’ll bite.

If you eat something acidic (or as I learned the hard way, after drinking a glass of OJ for ten years), that would make sense because the acid weakens enamel. Otherwise it’s pointless to brush before breakfast. If you brushed before bed, there should be little to no plague on your teeth in the morning and if it’s for fresh breath/clean looking teeth when you see other people, well eating after completely negates both those.

Toothpaste contains sugar. My teeth are grodier in the morning if I brushed before bed than if I didn't.

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Oct 4, 2008

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GreenNight posted:

gently caress your brushing with? Chocolate syrup?

Colgate, Crest, that one with the gel, lots of different ones. And always my tongue tastes sour half an hour later, the same as if I drink a sugary drink. And if I go to bed immediately after brushing I wake up with sour cotton mouth. Gotta stay up for a while, have a sugar free drink, get that minty filth out.

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Oct 4, 2008

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GreenNight posted:

Do you scrub your tongue too? That’s important.

Are you saying my mom didn't teach me right? :mad: I'm not sure tongue scrapers even existed in the 70s. Seems weird and foreign, like ear spoons. Wait, what thread is this?


So, uh, how bout them pretty boy monster hunters?

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Oct 4, 2008

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Plus, out of all the time for them to pick for a show, they went with the shortest time. It's like having a show based on Castiel and only doing episodes from when Collins played him.

He may be an immortal creature the size of the Chrysler building, but nobody wants to see him if he isn't played by Collins.

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Oct 4, 2008

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pentyne posted:

Pretty weird he didn't know, given CW has him set up as the next Walker Texas Ranger.

The prequel idea is dumb for a lot of reasons, mostly because the power creep from 15 years of SPN means everything on the new show is going to have the impact of a wet fart, unless they do some crazy retcon stuff to make it epic world ending disasters staved off by mama and papa Winchester.

All the monsters, first ones, gods, and ghosts Sam and Dean and their dad destroyed would still be there in the past. So many monsters. You can't go to the corner store for milk without tripping over a monster.

Not sure how the make anything tense when Ma and Pa Winchester can't die until their appointed times though.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Tiggum posted:

I would've watched it anyway, but it was a huge mistake to centre it on the kids instead of Jody and Donna.

It probably would have been better if it was more focused on Jody and Donna as hunters, who also hold down regular jobs and try to take care of some kids orphaned by monsters. By focusing on the kids as the main characters it was like "Facts of Life But With Monsters".

I don't know if it was the actor or the writers or what, but the Claire Novak character simply wasn't interesting. She was supposed to be this broody badass main character, and it just didn't work. She was tapioca pudding but everybody around her tried to pretend she was spicy.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Astroman posted:

One of the characters is Carlos, who is "Latinx/Latino, and bisexual". Are they going to realistically explore what it would have been like for a gay/bi Hispanic in 1970s Kansas, or will this just be a world where everyone's cool with that and has modern attitudes, because they are doing a show with current day sensibilities?

The 70s weren't as repressed as we might expect. That was the age of swingers. Yeah being gay was still considered a mental illness and illegal in more places than now, but acceptance has to start before those things get overturned, not after. There were prominent gay characters on Soap (1977) and Barny Miller (1975). They were comical characters, but they weren't reviled. (Yes loads of conservative people wrote in to complain, just like now, but it wasn't everyone.) Disco was gay as hell, and not just the Village People.

I'm no gay historian, but my impression from living through that time is that things got a lot worse for gay men and boys during the "gay plague" AIDS panic of the 80s. The 90s seem more sexually repressed than the 70s.

It also depends on the character of course. Honestly it might have been even easier to pass as straight back then if that's what he tries to do. If you're a manly man and not a gay stereotype people will assume you are straight. It's honestly pretty inexpensive to include a gay character in a show like Supernatural where sex usually only comes up to show a surprise monster or create a 'meaningful' victim.

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Oct 4, 2008

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If they wanted to do a period piece there were loads better choices than retreading John and Mary. Pick a decade and there would be monsters to fight there.

The final years of the men of letters, Mad Men but with magic, everybody wearing snappy suits and smoking. They could even reuse the bunker sets with minimal redressing.

Or the early days of the men of letters, when the Americas were a new frontier and the British MoL decided to make a deal with the bigwig monsters to ignore them if they left the UK for the new world -- did a few guys break off and start the american MoL in defiance of that deal? That sounds cool.

The colt exists because there were monsters in the old west. Where there Winchesters there? Yeah, probably.

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Oct 4, 2008

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Obviously this is the alternate dimension where their dad set up a successful hunting corporation and they grew up as privileged rich kids. Or one of the thousands of other alternate dimensions, I guess.

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Oct 4, 2008

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I love the almost-but-not-quite period styling.



Those are some incredibly bold brows for 1972. Mary must be a huge Brooke Shields fan, because no one else was doing thick brows like that. Hippie chicks might not pluck their brows, but wild hair loving hippies wouldn't be bleaching their hair either.

The earrings seem pretty suspicious too.

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