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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





Turin Turambar posted:



At least they put a warning on the box people!

New thread title?

VR Megathread: Facebook account required.

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Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors



Zaphod42 posted:

When are they going to deliver what the people really want?

A VR Remaster of Pyst!



Maybe they can get john goodman in a motion capture suit, and reprise his role.

Ott_
Jun 11, 2019





Zaphod42 posted:

I gotta criticize this part of the end of HL Alyx: https://youtu.be/jouEppnR_qU?t=1985

I spent 10 minutes just walking around in circles stuck here, only to finally close the game, look up a walkthrough, and see the player get stuck for the exact same 10 minutes and try the same things I did in vain, only to realize you're supposed to PUSH UP THE CEILING so you can crawl under it, something the game has never had you do and is extremely unclear that you're capable of doing. Its a big hunk of metal, all kinds of poo poo has just crashed down around you, there's zero indication that THIS piece of metal is something you can grab and push up to crawl under.

Surprisingly un-intuitive level design from Valve.
This took me a while too. Eventually I figured it out by following the wires.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

"I find my life is a lot easier the lower I keep my expectations."
-Bill Watterson


Ott_ posted:

This took me a while too. Eventually I figured it out by following the wires.

I could even tell exactly where they wanted me to go. But I sat there trying to crouch and teleport under for a long time, then went and tried to find a way around, and back and forth for a long time. It doesn't seem clear you can actually move the metal object to duck UNDER it. That's never happened anywhere else in the game.

Oh well, past it now. Just seems like exactly the kind of thing Valve would think of fixing.

Luneshot
Mar 10, 2014



I really hope that sometime in the next 2 years someone figures out how to run the Rift S without the Oculus software.

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

Down the Rabbit Hole.


Preordered a Quest 2 just in case it becomes the hot ticket item so I can flip that bitch.

The whole Facebook thing really killed any interest I have in Oculus' headsets at this point, real god drat shame since this headset looks amazing outside of that.

I hope Valve gets into the Wireless VR headset market to be honest.

Inacio
May 20, 2013



Hadlock posted:

VR Megathread: Facebook account required.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Don't look at me-
I'm ugly in the morning
When the headaches gone
The sun is not.
Forgot to turn the alarm
On - on




Pillbug

I played about 3 hours of Pistol Whip on hard spread over a few sessions today. God drat everything hurts but Iím finally actually nailing some of the hard spots. I love how the game uses a bunch of things in the level design that clue you in to where the enemies will come from so eventually youíre just blasting them before you even see them.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




I honestly thought Facebook was ubiquitous enough that wouldn't be much of a dealbreaker, to the point where like hiring agencies and background checks would think it a red flag if you didn't have a profile. But I mean can't you just make a Joe Fakenamerson account and call it good?

IDK I just linked it without thinking of it because that's how 90% of poo poo works in cyberpunk hellworld anyway.

I guess I will have to figure out how it's gonna work for setting up extra profiles/libraries for the kids.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006



Dinosaur Gum

Owlbear Camus posted:

I honestly thought Facebook was ubiquitous enough that wouldn't be much of a dealbreaker, to the point where like hiring agencies and background checks would think it a red flag if you didn't have a profile. But I mean can't you just make a Joe Fakenamerson account and call it good?

IDK I just linked it without thinking of it because that's how 90% of poo poo works in cyberpunk hellworld anyway.

I guess I will have to figure out how it's gonna work for setting up extra profiles/libraries for the kids.

Facebook builds a profile of you even if you don't have an account. If you create a fake account, they'll know it isn't you.

Nocheez
Sep 5, 2000

Can you spare a little cheddar?


Nap Ghost

Zaphod42 posted:

When are they going to deliver what the people really want?

A VR Remaster of Pyst!

You made my wife give me a weird look from the guffaw this joke gave me

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





Kazy posted:

Facebook builds a profile of you even if you don't have an account. If you create a fake account, they'll know it isn't you.

It's like that mormon genealogy vault where they try and track down every human who ever lived, so that they can pray for your dead relatives' souls because they were not mormon and will burn in hell if they aren't post-humously converted.

Except, you know, to sell you christmas-themed socks

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.



I instapreordered the Quest 2 and a battery elite strap. It seems to solve my only few issues with the Quest, which I use every single day to work out and have lost a bunch of weight using. The only question is if the elite strap fits my big head - I hear it has a suprising small max size, but I'm happy to just return it if it's no good.

edit: I ordered from Amazon - my experience preordering the Quest 1 directly from Oculus was not good at all.

chaosbreather fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Sep 17, 2020

repiv
Aug 13, 2009



College Slice

Kazy posted:

Facebook builds a profile of you even if you don't have an account. If you create a fake account, they'll know it isn't you.

And to be clear, if they think you're not a real person they will lock your account until you provide them with ID to prove you exist

That means if you buy your Oculus games on a burner Facebook account you risk losing all your purchases

Don't use a fake FB account

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.



repiv posted:

Don't use...FB

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Jezus the amount of FUD in here is ridiculous

It is literally trivial to create a fake account in FB

FB is not a government entity, it cannot access centralised records to cross-check anything. My FB account has both names that are blatantly not real - how did this happen? - a drivers license, a scanner and photoshop. There is no "link" to me, i blurred out my address and any other identifiable information on the license and they still accepted it.

Hell i probably couldve Googled for a funny license pic, created an account, sent them that and they would have accepted that too

If you re worried that they might delete your account then what makes a real-name account so secure? The same fakeable ID?

I mean yeah i get it, lovely company. But lol if the only reason youre holding out on a Quest is because of this poo poo

ROFLBOT fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Sep 17, 2020

Inacio
May 20, 2013



lol if you're bending over to facebook so you can give them money for a quest

brave post

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



buy Quest
create fake account
if asked for ID, provide ID
....

its not hard

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

"I find my life is a lot easier the lower I keep my expectations."
-Bill Watterson


ROFLBOT posted:

Jezus the amount of FUD in here is ridiculous

It is literally trivial to create a fake account in FB

They may not be the government but they have algorithms to detect suspicious patterns.

Just because you've managed doesn't mean other people haven't had issues, dude.

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!

Are you guys getting the 64 or 256 gb versions of the Quest 2? I'm coming from a Rift S myself, and I'm not sure how much storage space I should go for. I'm leaning towards the larger size, thinking I might be able to load some movies on it for long plane trips (if that's a thing?)

Truga
May 4, 2014




Lipstick Apathy

ROFLBOT posted:

FB is not a government entity, it cannot access centralised records to cross-check anything. My FB account has both names that are blatantly not real - how did this happen? - a drivers license, a scanner and photoshop. There is no "link" to me, i blurred out my address and any other identifiable information on the license and they still accepted it.

isn't this like, turbo illegal in the first place? i mean sending govt issued personal ID over the internets, never mind fake. i know it is here lmao

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008



Nap Ghost

Zaphod42 posted:

They may not be the government but they have algorithms to detect suspicious patterns.

Just because you've managed doesn't mean other people haven't had issues, dude.

Yeah I would say if you aren't comfortable using a real account, you should probably just skip

INTJ Mastermind posted:

Are you guys getting the 64 or 256 gb versions of the Quest 2? I'm coming from a Rift S myself, and I'm not sure how much storage space I should go for. I'm leaning towards the larger size, thinking I might be able to load some movies on it for long plane trips (if that's a thing?)

Just 64 gb, I think the 256 isn't worth an extra hundred bucks

chaosbreather
Dec 9, 2001

Wry and wise,
but also very sexual.



Yeah I don't like Facebook but the data from using Oculus seems of very low value to me and they've been explicit in what their goals are with Oculus: obsoleting offices, which I am 100% for, and COVID is proving is actually realistic while at the same time demonstrating the limitations of traditional videoconferencing which FBRL has already spent a bunch of time researching. The Quest 2 is definitely being sold at a major loss too, so it's not like you're giving them any profit. But I totally understand if Facebook is a bridge too far, no-one posting in the Something Awful Games forum would want to play online games with their real name notionally there, even if Facebook lets you pick a handle and everything the same as any other console. They're a bad company and if you want to take a stand then I support you, but my feeling is getting a Quest moves Facebook's attention into the eliminating offices (with the corresponding massive environmental and health benefits) and away from harvesting everyone's data.

And yes they probably do want to harvest everyone's data when they move their offices to the metaverse, but the thing is once they've used their bulk and their billions to gain momentum committing to it, their division will be so slow that they'll be easy to disrupt by a fast follower who does care about privacy. That's my rationalisation, anyway, there are others available.

INTJ Mastermind posted:

Are you guys getting the 64 or 256 gb versions of the Quest 2? I'm coming from a Rift S myself, and I'm not sure how much storage space I should go for. I'm leaning towards the larger size, thinking I might be able to load some movies on it for long plane trips (if that's a thing?)

256 for me. The 64 is plenty for the Quest 1, but more textures usually means more storage. Also if you want to put a bunch of media on it and go traveling that can fill up, which yes is totally a thing and is pretty great, being able not to be where you have to be is a goddamn superpower

chaosbreather fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Sep 17, 2020

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Zaphod42 posted:

They may not be the government but they have algorithms to detect suspicious patterns.

Just because you've managed doesn't mean other people haven't had issues, dude.

I have a fake name, my wife has a fake name and several of my friends, and all have been using their accounts for years

Hell, i just did a FB search for "ROFLBOT" and got like a dozen matches

This isnt the big thing its being made out to be.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


ROFLBOT posted:

I have a fake name, my wife has a fake name and several of my friends, and all have been using their accounts for years

Those accounts aren't really "fake" then, if they're all tied together socially.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


If you're buying a second headset to flip, it's not scalping, it's VRbitrage

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

"I find my life is a lot easier the lower I keep my expectations."
-Bill Watterson


ROFLBOT posted:

I have a fake name, my wife has a fake name and several of my friends, and all have been using their accounts for years

Hell, i just did a FB search for "ROFLBOT" and got like a dozen matches

This isnt the big thing its being made out to be.

Making sweeping generalizations from your sample size of 3-4 isn't good dude

Nuts and Gum
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49

Yea man totally recommend a Quest 2!





BTW you're up on the latest OPSEC practices right? OK so first get your wallet and open photoshop...

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Neddy Seagoon posted:

Those accounts aren't really "fake" then, if they're all tied together socially.

No, but it proves the FB account thing is not the big hurdle its being made out to be. Whether you choose to use that account for genuine social interaction or just to use a VR device doesnt really matter.

Any data that you think can be gleaned from you being friends with User 7743278 and User 9932667 is rendered useless by HUGH JANUS not actually existing.

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Zaphod42 posted:

Making sweeping generalizations from your sample size of 3-4 isn't good dude

are you insinuating i only have 3 or 4 friends?

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


ROFLBOT posted:

No, but it proves the FB account thing is not the big hurdle its being made out to be. Whether you choose to use that account for genuine social interaction or just to use a VR device doesnt really matter.

Any data that you think can be gleaned from you being friends with User 7743278 and User 9932667 is rendered useless by HUGH JANUS not actually existing.

Aside from all those neat little data points directing to IP addresses at your physical location, along with whatever else they might have to the tune of whatever you're using to pay for Oculus games with.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




As a completely practical consideration without talking about how the Zuckman is gonna harvest my porn browsing habits, how will I need to set this up so my kids call have profiles for us to all play together? Do I have to make them individual facebook accounts or can I have multiple profiles under mine? I'm fine with having to buy the title multiple times I just want to know how that works.

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Neddy Seagoon posted:

Aside from all those neat little data points directing to IP addresses at your physical location, along with whatever else they might have to the tune of whatever you're using to pay for Oculus games with.

Right, so the logical conclusion of this argument is that FB already *knows* these accounts are not real names..... yet does not delete them.

Thats one argument against Quest ownership shot down.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


ROFLBOT posted:

Right, so the logical conclusion of this argument is that FB already *knows* these accounts are not real names..... yet does not delete them.

Thats one argument against Quest ownership shot down.

Your exact argument was "Just make a fake account, they'll never know its you".

It isn't "they know they're not real names", it's "they know they're not real names because they already know your real name.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008



Nap Ghost

Owlbear Camus posted:

As a completely practical consideration without talking about how the Zuckman is gonna harvest my porn browsing habits, how will I need to set this up so my kids call have profiles for us to all play together? Do I have to make them individual facebook accounts or can I have multiple profiles under mine? I'm fine with having to buy the title multiple times I just want to know how that works.

Right now there's only one account per headset, but I think they've talked about making it so you can have multiple

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Neddy Seagoon posted:

Your exact argument was "Just make a fake account, they'll never know its you".

It isn't "they know they're not real names", it's "they know they're not real names because they already know your real name.

I dont know what to tell you guy?

If your barrier to Quest ownership is "i dont want my name on FB", - you can.
If your barrier to Quest ownership is "what if they delete my account?" - they wont.
If your barrier to Quest ownership is "i dont want any personally identifiable information on the internet" - best unplug and go live under a rock?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

"I find my life is a lot easier the lower I keep my expectations."
-Bill Watterson


ROFLBOT posted:

are you insinuating i only have 3 or 4 friends?

Do you talk to every person you meet about if they have a fake facebook account? You made it sound like it was just your family and a couple close friends who had the fake accounts.

ROFLBOT posted:

If your barrier to Quest ownership is "what if they delete my account?" - they wont.

I dunno about the attached Oculus accounts if they existed, but fake FB accounts get closed all the time dude. This is denial. Its definitely a non-zero amount. Unarguably.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

Hi, Everybody!


ROFLBOT posted:

I dont know what to tell you guy?

If your barrier to Quest ownership is "what if they delete my account?" - they wont.


They will. Yours aren't deleted because they're actually being used for Facebook, you just think you're somehow evading the system with a pseudonym (you're not, lol). A proper fake Facebook account would be one that just sits doing nothing except accumulating Oculus game purchases, and that can get dinged because Facebook can't make a link between those purchases and a Facebook user acting like a real person.

ROFLBOT
Apr 1, 2005



Zaphod42 posted:

Do you talk to every person you meet about if they have a fake facebook account? You made it sound like it was just your family and a couple close friends who had the fake accounts.


I dunno about the attached Oculus accounts if they existed, but fake FB accounts get closed all the time dude. This is denial. Its definitely a non-zero amount. Unarguably.

I have no reason to think im some weird outlier who just happens to know an overly large group of people who dont use their real names on FB.

Go and look through the member list of any large FB group and tell me there arent a bunch of names that arent real. This is not edge-case stuff.

Do a search for blatantly obvious fake-name accounts - the aforementioned Hugh Janus, Busta Gut, etc etc - you will be scrolling through accounts that are clearly not bots for pages.

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Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




Lemming posted:

Right now there's only one account per headset, but I think they've talked about making it so you can have multiple

Sorry if I wasn't clear, my issue was actually the other way around: I have one account and two minor children who will be using two other headsets. I'm fine with buying extra copies of the games (fortunately their favorite is completely free) for the additional headsets so we can play together, just not sure how it will work with the Facebook requirement.

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