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SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003





:siren:UPDATED 6 November 2021:siren:
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Welcome to the metaverse. Even we're still not quite sure what it is, but it's probably bad.

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What is Virtual Reality?
It's a gimmick.

An important distinction to make in VR is the difference between 3DOF and 6DOF tracking. 3DOF tracks only the rotation of your head: Roll, Pitch, Yaw. 6DOF tracks rotation but also the also tracks the position (X,Y,Z) of your head and controllers. This is nicely demonstrated by a GIF I stole from Twitter:

https://imgur.com/eRhW0H5 (I don't know how to embed this I'm sorry :cry:)

On top of the vastly improved immersion, this allows for the creation of new gameplay mechanics made possible with the increased fidelity of input, like stabbing and shooting that's so realistic it will give you PTSD. Itís a completely different experience that enables you to more convincingly than ever feel like youíre in another world which is great because this one loving sucks. (can you believe I wrote that in 2019?)

If youíve tried Cardboard, Daydream, GearVR, Oculus Go or any other low end 3DOF VR, these arenít a good gauge of what youíll get with a 6DOF headset. Iím not covering any of those here as theyíre not worth the time.

Will I throw up?
Simulation sickness happens with VR when your virtual position moves without your physical body moving, causing a mismatch between what your eyes see and what the rest of your body, particularly your inner ear/vestibular system, is feeling. There are games that do this, particularly shooters, but removing acceleration curves in movement code and other perceptual tricks like FOV blinders can make the experience considerably more comfortable, developers often implement as many of them as they can. This style of movement is called ďArtificial LocomotionĒ or Stick/Touchpad movement.

Most VR games offer some form of teleportation locomotion by default or have a design based on staying in a single space, both of which should be comfortable for just about everyone. If you suffer from sim sickness thereís still plenty to do and itís quite possible to build up a resistance to the effects of artificial locomotion if you play in small doses.

Virtual Vocabulary
  • Virtual Reality (VR) - Thing we are talking about
  • Head Mounted Device (HMD) - The headset/goggles that you put on your face
  • Field of View (FOV) - How much you can see. It is measured in degrees either vertically, horizontally, or diagonally
  • Screen Door Effect (SDE) - When you can see the black void between pixels. Was very bad in early headsets, not as bad now
  • Inside Out Tracing - When the VR system handles tracking for the HMD and controllers by camera gear mounted inside the unit. Notable systems: Windows Mixed Reality, Oculus Quest, Oculus Rift S
  • Standalone - A VR system that is able to run without being attached to a PC and is typically wireless.
  • Interpupillary Distance (IPD) - The distance between the centers of the pupils of your eyes. Matching your VR lenses to your IPD is important for an optimal viewing experience.
  • Shill - Anyone who says anything remotely nice or even someone who doesn't say enough bad things about a device you don't own



SteamVR
SteamVR is the headset agnostic platform by Valve, still offering broadest hardware compatibility all headsets outside of PSVR have support to some degree. Compatibility issues usually come down to a controller mapping issues and are easy to remedy.

The overall experience is mostly in line of what youíd expect from Valve. Lots of capability, not a lot of polish. Their UI is Steam Bigscreen displayed on a virtual window, you can buy, install and play games all without leaving your headset. When you are in a game, you can access the Steam overlay by pressing your system button. You can customize SteamVR with environments using photospheres or fully 3D scenes. You can also have custom base stations, cameras, and controllers that show up to show where your various devices are. Thereís also the ability to add additional launchers and VR applications to a quick menu, with access to the Windows desktop, SteamVR Home, their customisable home/social space and other utilities along the bottom. Iíve disabled Home since it slows everything down, but it was fun for a few months.

Like with normal Steam, SteamVR games are kind of buy at your own risk with no guarantee on quality. Luckily there isn't much risk because refunds have been a thing for a while. What you are risking is your lunch. There's no vetting process so if someone gets their game on the store, you either have to try it or hope there are decent reviews. While there are great games on SteamVR, there's also some real stinkers that can give you VR sickness.

Oculus Facebook Meta
As of writing it's still in stores as the Oculus Quest with Facebook branding, but with Zuckerberg going all in on the "metaverse" (or an attempt to evade responsibility for the absolute global societal disaster that is Facebook) they've decided to restructure again. It's the Meta Quest now, Facebook is a separate service under the Meta brand and the Oculus brand is now disssolved. Quest and it's sequel are still the undisputed VR market leaders, driven by their low price point, flexibility and self-contained nature. While a Facebook requirement is no longer required, you still require a Meta account and no one is quite sure just how enveloping that account could become. Sales have been strong for both Meta and developers and it's starting to score platform exclusives, notably the Resident Evil 4 VR and upcomping Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas ports. Also on the horizon is a new "Pro" headset based on the Quest line, keeping the same SoC but adding self-tracking controllers, eye tracking and facial feature recognition gee whiz that sounds so useful to advertisers!

OpenXR
The eventual all encompassing VR API. All vendors currently have full support, now it's mostly on devs to transition over. Here's hoping it will easy, quick and clean! (it hasn't been)

Playstation VR
It had a good run. There's some great exclusives but the tech is now ancient, I wouldn't recommend it as a primary VR device. PSVR2 though? Word on the street is that it could be something special, but it isn't here yet.

Microsoft
:lol:
Their software platform is dead and the Reverb G2 didn't take the world by storm (nor should it have). I doubt we're going to see them give up, though, not with that sweet war machine money funding their AR efforts.

GearVR, Go and Google Daydream
:rip: though Carmack managed to wrangle Meta into allowing root access on Go which is nice.




MetaQuest 2 - US$299
  • Qualcomm XR2 SoC
  • 1x low persistence RGB LED display with 1832x1920 per eye resolution at 60, 72, 80, 90, 120hz
  • 1 USB-C port
  • 2-3 hour battery life (external batteries are compatible)
  • Mechanical IPD adjustment with settings for 58, 63 and 68mm IPD
  • Fabric strap with built in audio and a single 3.5mm headphone port
  • Inside out "Insight" tracking with 4 cameras providing wide inside out coverage
  • Touch V3 controllers

You pick up the Quest 2 and slide it over head, the real world appears in front of you in grainy black and white. You define your playspace by pointing at the floor with your controller and physically drawing it out, takes about 10 seconds. The main menu lets you quickly access a WebXR capable browser and a store with a growing library of Quest-native games with some, if not all, being barely discernible from their PCVR counterparts (though some very much so). Double tap the side of the headset and you'll regain access to actual reality once more without needing to exit your super comfy fake one.

Connect over Wifi or a USB cable to your VR capable PC and you even have access to the entire PCVR game ecosystem, hello Alyx! Or you could just stream plain old "pancake" video games, TV shows and movies which can be viewed at ~1080p on a virtual IMAX sized screen using Virtual Desktop. Sideloading brings high quality VR native ports of classic first person games like Doom, Quake and Half-Life, cool indie projects and emulators. Want the best way to play Wario Land Virtual Boy ever made? Only 299 bucks!

There is nothing more versatile, affordable or polished on the market. It's a remarkable piece of hardware with abs̷o̴l̵ų̶͊t̶̻̍ẻ̵̡l̸ŷ̵̥ n̵̘͐̚ỏ̶̻ ̶dr̶̳̜̀̀a̴̟̙͓̒w̸̓̾̈́̎̕͜͝b̴̛̆͝͝a̶͋̓͝c̴̡̹̙̮͌̎̅̓k̴̈s̷.


HP Reverb G2 - $599
  • 2x low persistence LCD RGB displays with 2048x2048 resolution 90hz
  • Connects via 1x USB3 and 1x Displayport
  • Good quality Valve designed lenses
  • Mechanical IPD adjustment from 58mm - 70mm
  • Comfortable, padded rigid strap with velcro adjustments and excellent integrated audio. One 3.5mm headphones port provided.
  • 4 camera Windows Mixed Reality inside-out tracking
  • HP Reverb WMR controllers with standardized stick + 2 button face layout.

HP is the last company standing in the WMR ecosystem with the Reverb G2 the only in-production headset. At least it's the best of the bunch, with ridiculously sharp visuals, quality lenses and a Valve Index-like fit and finish. Which makes sense as the headset was designed in collaboration with Valve, even the audio solution is identical to the Index. That is to say it is quite a good headset!

What lets it down is the controller tracking, which is still poor even with the addition of two cameras on the sides of the headset. It also doesn't handle tracking drops or near-camera tracking (such as when holding a rifle or bow near your head) as elegantly as Meta's Insight. It may not be a dealbreaker and for sims it won't matter at all, but it's disappointing.


:retrogames::retrogames:Valve Index - US$1000 + PC:retrogames::retrogames:
  • 2x low persistence LCD RGB displays with 1440x1600 resolution at 80, 90, 120, 144hz.
  • Connects via 1x USB3 and 1x Displayport.
  • Stacked lens design for excellent clarity and high FOV
  • Mechanical IPD adjustment from 58mm - 70mm
  • Comfortable, padded rigid strap with an adjustment knob and integrated audio. One 3.5mm headphones port provided.
  • Lighthouse v2 tracking, requires setup of base stations to cover your play space.
  • Valve Index Controllers (also known as Knuckles)
The Index was the best VR headset on the market, but although it's still "premium" it's panel resolution is now behind two cheaper headsets. It still fits the most heads, has the best tracking and very good quality optics, display and equals the Reverb G2 with best audio. It has an FOV of around 130 degrees with excellent (though not perfect) edge to edge clarity. It is capable of the highest refresh rates, from 80 to 144hz. The panels are 1440x1600 LCDs, separated so IPD is adjustable.

Unlike the Quest and Rift S, tracking is handled using external base stations. This requires some setup, ideally mounts installed on the walls, but results in tracking that rarely drops and is very precise. There are two cameras on the front used for passthrough, but they arenít well positioned for it. Nobody knows what theyíre actually for, I donít think Valve does either.

They are currently only shipping to select countries; Australians and Canadians are still out of luck. Still the best way to play Half-Life Alyx. Or is it?


HTC Vive Pro 2 - US$800 + PC
  • 2x LCD displays with 2448x2448 resolution at 90hz.
  • Stacked lenses offering 120 degrees horizontal FOV
  • Connects via 1x USB2 and 1x Displayport.
  • Mechanical IPD adjustment from 60mm - 74mm
  • Comfortable, padded rigid strap with an adjustment knob and integrated audio. One 3.5mm headphones port provided.
  • Lighthouse v2 tracking, requires setup of 2 (or more) base stations to cover your play space.
  • HTC Vive Wands v2 (identical to the original wands, but they don't work with Lighthouse v1)
The Vive Pro 2 is a Vive Pro with higher resolution panels and new higher FOV lenses, though the vertical FOV is only ~80 degrees and the god rays (inner-lens light glow) are apparently quite bad. It's another more lateral move from HTC, full of compromises that spread even to it's touted wireless capability where both resolution and refresh rate are restricted. Just get an Index.

It uses Steam VR 2.0 base stations much like the Index, though it still only comes with Vive wands. It is compatible with Knuckles though.


Playstation VR - US$300 + PS4
PSVR is primitive compared to other 6DOF headsets on the market but Sony made a lot of smart choices that help cover for itís anemic specifications. It uses a single 1080p OLED panel, but itís full 3-subpixel RGB so clarity is close to the CV1/Vive. Itís fixed IPD but the lenses have excellent edge to edge clarity. The tracking sucks and the controllers are awfulÖ well there isnít much to help offset that but hey at least it tracks position to some extent!


HTC Cosmos Series - US$700-900 + PC



Windows Mixed Reality - US$200-700 + PC
WMR is more of a hardware specification with a reference design that other companies build their own headsets on, but these days the only WMR headset that is made and sold is the aforementioned Reverb G2. Still, there exist plenty of bones to pick over. The older WMR HMDs all utilize an internal, camera-based tracking system similar to the Quest and Rift S, which works well for tracking head position, though don't hit the same standard. At the low end theyíre all similar 1440x1440, fixed IPD headsets, barebones with no audio solution. The midrange is occupied by the Samsung Odyssey which uses 1440x1600 OLED panels with variable IPD and has integrated audio.

These were never good headsets, but they do meet the bare minimum of usability so they were a popular option when sold at firesale prices. The controllers and tracking of them is poor making them not a great choice for anything beyond casual play, but they're still pretty sharp and make for a decent sim HMD for the destitute.


What about the original Oculus Rift (CV1)?
Itís been discontinued and it's low specifications and lack of available parts make it hard to recommend buying for anything but a bargain.


And the Oculus Rift S?
There's a reason why Meta killed it shortly after Quest 2's release. It holds up better than the Rift CV1, just don't expect long term support.


And the first Oculus Quest?
Still a ok headset if you can deal with a 72hz refresh. If you can find one used for less than $200 it's a better option than a cheaper WMR headset, OG Vive or CV1.


And the HTC Vive?
Also discontinued. Good for $100 bucks? But you'd likely be paying more than that for a single base station.

Also I heard about something called a Pimax, StarVR, DecaGear, OSVRÖ
Donít bother with any of these, the trade-offs they make are too great to be useful to the general consumer or theyíre vaporware.



MetaTouch 3
Touch has set the standards in terms of input, with even Valve conceding and implementing the same stick & 2 buttons layout in their latest controllers. Touch 3's design reverts aspects of it's design back to the first Touch, particularly it's face layout. Tracking quality appears to be roughly the same as v2 (very good), though battery life has been massively increased. Expect your controllers to last well over a month. The tracking rings are a bit larger, though it's pretty inconsequetial.


Index Controllers / Knuckles
Ostensibly called the Index Controllers but everyone calls them by their codename, theyíre novel in that they have a rudimentary form of finger tracking built in, achieved using capacitive sensors along the handle. You strap your hand to the controller, making it more of a wearable, which allows for natural grabbing and letting go interactions as well as basic finger signalling. The build quality is just OK though and there have been complaints about poor fits for people with oddly sized hands. The analog stick also had an issue where it sometimes wasnít possible to click it unless it was centered, though this was fixed in later revisions.

While you can buy the Index without controllers, you shouldnít. You should only buy the hardware piecemeal if youíre upgrading from a Vive.


The Good Mixed Reality Controller
A considerable improvement upon earlier generations with a more standard face layout, analog grip and a more ergonomic design. In practice they just mushed a Touch and WMR controller together. They're still front heavy and have the standard WMR gigantic onion ring for tracking making two handed interactions awkward. Still, at least they're not hot garbage any more.


The Other Mixed Reality Controllers
Hot garbage. Tracking drops abruptly whenever theyíre out of field of view and it can be pretty shaky in certain conditions. Build quality is bad, the sticks feel cheap and the touchpads are spongy. They look vaguely ergonomic, but are not. These pieces of poo poo are your only choice if you get a WMR headset, but if youíre buying one for some reason make sure the controllers come with it since itís next to impossible to buy them separately. With the release of the Reverb G2 these controllers are no longer manufactured.


Vive Wands
Obsolete with the release of the Index Controllers, these chonky hunks were the first VR controllers released to the public. Valve thought that a big touchpad could replace physical buttons and work equally well for analog input. They were wrong. The grip button is so bad that many devs avoid using it, though the trigger feels pretty nice. Input mappings from newer titles are starting to feel a bit awkward with developers moving on to newer, more capable controllers.


PSMove, Aim, Dual Shock 4
The PSMove controllers were initially designed as an accessory for the PS3, so they arenít a perfect fit for VR. Tracking is wobbly, inputs are limited, there isnít a stick or even a 4-way directional pad. Aim is designed for first person shooters, adds a couple sticks and has slightly better tracking than the PSMove. The Dual Shock 4 fares a little better in many cases, offering better tracking and input variety than the wands though only while the glowing glyph on the front faces the PSVR camera. With most games on PSVR being seated the DS4 ends up getting used quite a bit, but itís worth picking up the PSMove and Aim for the games that make good use of them.


Traditional Controllers
Plenty of VR games, particularly ports of flatscreen titles and simulators, support gamepads, wheels and HOTAS if itís appropriate. VR racing with an actual wheel can feel like youíre right there in there car, particularly once you get the positions of everything dialed in. Most cockpit-based simulators support HOTAS, but there is significant benefit to using VR controllers for sim games that support them for easier access to cockpit controls and further immersion. Gamepads work as youíd expect, though not many new VR games make use of them these days.


Hands
The Quest headsets feature hand tracking, though it's in pretty rough shape. Still firmly experimental, it's going to stay a toy until they iterate on the software further. The additional power of the Quest 2 may be useful for this. Fun to play with though and it's almost useful for simple pointer-based UI interactions.



External Tracking (Outside In)
When VR launched one of the biggest complaints was the laborious setup. Both the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift CV1 required external devices covering your VR space to track the position of the headset and controllers. Though slightly less complicated for the Vive and Index whose ďLighthouseĒ Base Stations only required power as opposed to Oculusí USB cameras, it still results in a bunch of time running cables everywhere and making adjustments. Itís a hassle much like a home theater setup is.

Why bother? Coverage. 4 lighthouses or tracking cameras at each corner of your room would mean that no matter what you do during regular play, tracking loss just isnít likely to happen. Because of that, "outside in" may always have itís niche at the high end. The tracking area size is technically arbitrary, but is ultimately limited by the current maximum of 4 base stations.


Integrated Tracking (Inside Out)
The first company out the gate with VR headsets with integrated cameras for tracking was Microsoft with WMR. They worked well for head tracking, but due to the use of only two cameras on the front of the headset the tracking volume of the controllers was very limited.

That left a poor impression, one that led many to believe that Oculus efforts may have ended up comparably poor. It didnít, the Quest and Rift Sí tracking were excellent at launch and only got better as it got enhanced by updates. There is the occasional annoyance, tracking drops from body occlusion are inevitable, but it works 99% of the time.

The limits of its use mostly come down to typical computer vision limitations. It canít safely be used outdoors as the cameras get flooded with light and loses the points of contrast the software uses to position itself, causing tracking glitches or losses. Max official tracking size for the Quest and Rift S is 15x15ft but it can be pushed further when messing with developer options.


Many VR games support a variety of play areas, though some developers choose to only support one or two of them for game design reasons. All VR stores classify what game area types and sizes the titles they sell support.

Seated
Most immersive in games where youíre virtually sitting like cockpit simulators, sitting is the most accessible play area style and given the option over standing, can be more comfortable for long term play. Many games are designed with it in mind, keeping everything of interest within a 180 degree cone in front of you. In games with free movement, turning is usually achieved through artificial rotation which can feel abrupt or sickness inducing depending on how itís implemented.

Standing
You donít experience the world flying around on a lounge chair. Standing lets you use your full body, allowing you full rotation (as much as the cord for your headset will let you, if it has one) as well as allowing for natural crouching and leaning. If youíre playing standing thereís a good chance youíre short on playspace, make extra sure you have enough space and keep centered so your hands donít slam into the walls or your expensive TV or Monitor.

Roomscale
If youíre a lucky son of a bitch with a big house, you can walk in VR. The minimum amount of space for roomscale per Valve is 2x1.5 meters, though games will often specify their own requirements. The larger the better, standing games benefit from the extra buffer of tracked space and games designed specifically for roomscale can be mind-blowingly immersive, though the tether can be a pain to deal with

VR Everywhere
What I havenít touched on is the Questís unique abilities. Being both wireless and portable gives a lot more options in terms of where you can use it. It scales from seated (even 3DOF for laying down or for flights) to beyond and while there are certain cases where it can fail, the fix is usually a case of closing curtains or shutting blinds. Itís lack of tether also allow for 360 seated and standing, a play style unique to wireless headsets.


Quest 2
The built-in audio for the Quest 2 isnít very good. The speakers are integrated into the front of the strap, which while convenient (and undoubtedly cheap to manufacture) have virtually no low-end and are audible to everyone around you. You can use whatever headphones you want, though that can get fiddly with longer cables. A quick trip around thingiverse will also provide you with many options for improving the audio experience with other custom 3D printed attachments. The well regarded Rift CV1 headset audio used Koss Porta Pro headphone drivers and you can find many attachments that work with them (and you can even find clones for the headset drivers on AliExpress if you want to go really cheap).

An entire computer and it's battery are shoved in the front of the Quest 2 alongside the lenses, screen, and camera, and the simple pack-in head strap does little to help distribute the weight. Meta have released "Elite" straps made of rigid plastic which are more comfortable to wear, but there have been many reports of them breaking, even after being replaced, so I'd recommend avoiding them for now. Luckily there's a choice of third party options, such as Elite style and PSVR/Halo style BOBOVR M2 head straps that are well regarded by the community. Make sure to keep up with the thread or simply ask for more recent recommendations! Another popular option has been to use 3d printed adapters adapters for the Vive Deluxe Audio Strap. Originally designed as an audio and comfort upgrade for the original Vive, it comes with a premium fit and feel alongside decent integrated audio.

Want extra battery life? Any battery pack that supplies 5v 2A will work fine and many can be easily mounted to the back of the HMD with velcro, zip ties or 3d printed brackets. This ends up working as an effective counterweight and is something of a comfort enhancement in addition to adding an extra 3-4 hours of play time. There is a variant of the Elite strap that includes a battery, but in practice it isn't really much different from using something from a third party and has similar reported issues with the plastics breaking.

Index
Comfort is subjective and depends on head shape, but the Index is mostly considered to have one of the most accommodating strap and HMD designs on the market. Just about everything is adjustable, including both eye relief and IPD and thereís plenty of padding both on the front and back. Audio is provided using off-ear speakers, with reviews stating that theyíre so good that Valve should sell them as a separate accessory.

Wearing Glasses?
Nerd. Most VR headsets can fit smaller glasses, but it can be a bit of a crapshoot and can scratch the lenses. There's many options, VR Optician, VR Lens Lab, WidmoVR all have happy customers and support most headsets on the market.

General
Many mods are 3D printed parts designed by VR enthusiasts or just velcro and zip ties, though there's some injection molded stuff popping up. There are companies selling replacement padding (both thinner or thicker and of different materials), dumb silicone protectors that donít do anything useful and lots of other useless crap. Thereís also weapon stocks designed for use in shooting games. Make sure to look for other people's impressions before buying.


Quest
There are none. You do need a vaguely modern smartphone to set it up, either iOS or Android, but once thatís done itís entirely self contained. Ideally youíll have WiFi at home for it to connect to and while you can cast to your phone, you need a Chromecast of some kind to cast it to a TV.

PSVR
PS4 or PS4 Pro. There are graphical differences between the two; usually playing on the Pro means sharper visuals.

PC
Iíll list Metaí minimum requirements, though youíll want to use Recommended as your baseline if youíre using a higher resolution headset or Quest Link

Minimum
Intel i3-6100/AMD Ryzen 3 1200, FX4350 or greater
NVIDIA GTX 1050 Ti/AMD Radeon RX 470 or greater
Or
NVIDIA GTX 960 4 GB/AMD Radeon R9 290 or greater
8 GB+ RAM
Windows 10
1 x USB 3.0 port
Compatible DisplayPort video output

Recommended
Intel i5-4590/AMD Ryzen 5 1500X or greater
NVIDIA GTX 1060/AMD Radeon RX 480 or greater
Or
NVIDIA GTX 970/AMD Radeon R9 290 or greater
8 GB+ RAM
Windows 10
1 x USB 3.0 port
Compatible DisplayPort video output


So you bought an Meta Quest
I pushed the Quest pretty hard back when I first wrote the OP, most of which was based on promises of what the technology could offer down the track. At release the Oculus Quest was a fairly basic device and not particularly capable of much but that changed. Now that Quest 2 is here, at $100 less, the value proposition is even more insane. It's a jack of all trades, master of more than you might expect.


SideQuest - https://sidequestvr.com/
Meta rule their store with an iron fist, but through to the exploitation of Android debugging tools the creation of a Quest app store independent of official channels happened. Setup requires signing on to Meta as a developer, but in practice this takes a few tickboxes and a device restart. Clients are available for just about everything with people even getting it running on the Raspberry Pi and Chromebooks. It's fairly slick and many homebrew or hobbyist developers use it to deploy their software, even paid apps are supported through itch.io. There's competent VR ports of Quake, Quake 2 the original Half Life, groundbreaking early access games like the mind-bending and frankly awe inducing Tea for God as well as tech demos that, while short, can be fun to play around with.

This didn't escape the attention of Meta, in response they created App Lab

App Lab - https://applab.games/
App Lab isn't so much a platform as it is a way for developers to have their games hosted by Meta's store without being listed on the store. Listings are instead handled by third parties (such as Sidequest) who aggregate what is available. While the games aren't accessible from the storefront, direct links still work and allow seamless purchasing and installing. Not everything is here, no emulators, no Quake or Doom ports. Instead it's mostly indie early access stuff.


QuestLink
Heavily speculated since the original Quest's launch was some way of playing PCVR games. There were early homebrew attempts at this, ALVR was particularly well regarded, but nothing that felt seamless or at an acceptable level of quality and latency. Link initially released with only support for USB but the backend work required to get low latency video to the Quest over such a connection required some creativity. Each frame has Async Spacewarp applied (Meta's fancy name for their frame synthesis technique) and is intelligently resampled with the center of vision retaining more detail than the outer edges. The frame is then sliced, each slice being fed into whatever hardware video encoder is available on the host PC (AMF for AMD, NVENC for Nvidia) which get sent over to the Quest. The Quest decodes the slices which allows for buffer copies to begin after the first slice has been decoded rather than the entire frame. There's still about 1.5 frames of latency after this, so the Quest performs Timewarp reprojection on the output. All that resampling does make the resulting image a bit soft, but thanks to the high bitrate and clever scaling tricks it still looks considerably better than first generation VR headsets such as the Rift CV1 and Vive and the Quest 2 outclasses WMR and Rift S while rivalling even Index and the Reverb G2. You can even choose between 72, 80, 90 and now even 120hz!

Link works over either USB or Wifi. Any USB Type C cable should work in practice but quality varies and USB 3.0 is preferred, particularly for Quest 2. Cables and accessories are pretty regional, but broadly speaking you pay for quality. If you just want the best you can get the official 5m cable from Meta for $80. Wifi is more picky, requiring a 5Ghz capable router, ideally dual band, separating the SSID into separate 2.4 and 5ghz bands with a direct gigabit ethernet connection from your PC to router. Many get acceptable performance without doing any of this, but if you don't there's rabbit holes you can jump down to improve things.


Virtual Desktop - Quest
Virtual Desktop streams your desktop to a virtual display on your Quest. Latency is fairly good but can vary depending on your setup. You can emulate a gamepad with the Touch controllers or connect a Xbone pad using Bluetooth, mouse input is handled using touch emulation via pointers and it has a decent virtual keyboard. You can take your PC with you anywhere (as long as you have a good internet connection) and instead of being stuck with a piddly 14" laptop screen or miniscule smartphone display, you can have something as big as IMAX with image quality roughly equal to 1080p.

Virtual Desktop also does VR wifi streaming separate from Link and it's implementation has generally been quite excellent. If you can't get Link to work or want some more configurability than Link provides, try giving this a shot.

SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Nov 22, 2021

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Apr 23, 2003






Walkabout Mini Golf - SteamVR | Oculus (crossbuy/crossplay)
The best VR game??!!

Mini golf is fun as hell and this is the best version of it, stripping away the typical frustrations like clipping against barriers or dealing with out of bounds balls. Targeting the Quest 1 means that it's not some photorealistic showpiece, but the flat shaded low poly look meant they could make huge courses packed with wonderful large-scale detail, something they've gotten steadily better at doing as evidenced by the latest course, the breathtaking Quixote Valley. Unlike Cloudlands the courses aren't total nonsense and are grounded at least a little in reality, but with flourishes and ideas that would get the OSHA people mad. There's balls to find and treasure hunts, both of which sound inane but the sound of the newly unlocked balls rolling down and out of that bamboo pipe in the menu area is like fentanyl. Multiplayer is brain dead simple, no accounts or extraneous bullshit while completely crossplay between SteamVR and Oculus with up to 5 players. The game comes with 8 courses with more difficult variants of each, which is already a lot of content for less than $20 bucks. DLC courses and cosmetics are coming, but it's something people have been actively asking for rather than being some attempt at exploitation, the devs have been nothing but friendly and generous. Alyx is cool, but this brought me closer to friends and family than any other VR game and has sold headsets. Go get it!


Boneworks - SteamVR
One of the first single player, narrative focused VR games that goes all-in on physical hand interactions, physics-based combat and movement. It's writing won't be winning awards and it's pretty obviously derivative from Half Life and Portal in terms of game design, style and aesthetic but if you're gonna steal, why not steal from the best? Campaign is about 6-10 hours depending on how much you explore and it also comes with the requisite sandbox modes. The levels are vast and very explorable, so replayability is also quite high, though ultimately it's the physics that are the showcase, you can grab and manipulate just about anything. There's physics jank, but when it works (which is most of the time) it's shockingly immersive and the interactivity gives an unparalleled amount of agency and choice to the player. Provided you can stomach the lack of consideration made to VR comfort, this is one of the best VR games currently available. A must buy.


Beat Saber - SteamVR | Rift | Quest
It's the game where you use legally not technically light sabers to slash boxes in time to music. It's the biggest selling game in VR. It's moddable, though that ability comes and goes on the Quest and is nonexistant on PSVR. Everyone knows what this is.


Echo VR - Oculus (crossplay)
The muiltiplayer spin-off of the also impressive Lone Echo. EchoVR started as Echo Arena, a zero gravity flying disc sports game but since then it's also added a shooter component called Echo Combat. It has one of the best locomotion systems in any VR game and it's surprisingly comfortable despite the freedom it affords. It's also free, though only available on the Oculus platform so ReVive is needed to play with other headsets. Also available for the Quest, though only the disc game (Arena) is currently available.


Blade & Sorcery - SteamVR | Rift
Though still in early access, Blade & Sorcery's combat systems have become something of a benchmark for other games combat systems to meet. Weapons and bodies, including your own, are physically modeled with weight and momentum being taken into account with your swings. The game forces you to mime momentum, rewarding (somewhat) realistic melee combat and removing the effectiveness of waggling a sword. At least that's how it'd be if the AI weren't so dumb, which alongside it's lack of any story or campaign can make the whole game feel somewhat directionless and unfinished. It is both of those things, but it still feels like the future.


Until You Fall - SteamVR | Rift
A polar opposite take on VR melee combat that focuses on being a great game instead of a simulator. Parry, dodge, combo your way through well designed enemy encounters with gorgeous neon graphics and a kick-rear end synthwave soundtrack.
Extremely well polished combat has very little friction and creates extremely fast paced gameplay almost akin to a rhythm game inside a roguelike wrapper.


SUPERHOT VR - SteamVR | Rift | Quest
A unique first person action game where you punch, shoot, slash and throw objects at Red Glass Men in open white room environments. The catch is that time only moves when you move. It's part puzzle game figuring out through trial and error what it takes to survive each round.
Really great intro to VR and an experience that plays best in VR.


Vader Immortal - Oculus (crossplay)
A VR Star Wars. This is more of a narrative story experience than a full game. Each episode will take you about 40 minutes to play through. The visuals and sound are so, so, nicely polished here. The interactivity is mostly through door unlock puzzles, and a few sections with a lightsaber. There's also a side mode in a lightsaber training dojo to take your saber through the paces in a series of timed challenges.
Every Star Wars fan I've seen try this game all grin like idiots at the level of immersion.


Hot dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades (H3VR) - SteamVR
If you like guns, this is the game for you. There are hundreds of guns lovingly modeled, with all the physical mechanisms and jiggly bits accurately implemented. There are no human opponents, only range targets and animated human-sized sausages. If you don't care about guns, good news - there's also several game modes that are legitimately great video games by themselves included. Take and Hold drops you into a complex series of rooms and cooridors with a knife, a healing sausage, and perhaps a gun, and forces you to seek out supply points to upgrade to more powerful weapons to take and hold a series of choke points from waves of armed sausages who want to grind you to bits. Return of the Rotweiners is a great roguelike that is going to get a substantial update this month. You're dropped into a world infested with zombie sausages and are given a pistol with limited ammo, and are forced to unlock more powerful guns by competing quests for the uninfected sausages you meet. Every time you die, you lose everything you've gathered, but keep all the unlocked items, making further progress that much easier. Meat Grinder is a horror game mode that most closely reminds me of Resident Evil 3's Mercenaries mode - you're dropped into a slaughterhouse with a gun and need to complete a series of objectives with a strict time limit while fighting off fiendish meat-based enemies and avoiding deadly traps. WurstWorld is a Wild West themed area where you get to enjoy all the old timey weapons and also struggle with how bad throwing things like horseshoes in VR can feel. Plus all the shooting ranges you could ever hope for.


Eleven Table Tennis - SteamVR | Oculus (crossplay)
This is the best Ping Pong in VR. Closer to a simulator than a video game, it has the requisite multiplayer and paddle bounciness options and a rather nice environment (snatched from the Unity asset store) but it's a bit short on features and graphical prowess. However the core sim is so solid that it makes every other table tennis game kind of obsolete.


Pistol Whip - Steam | Oculus (crossplay)
Beat Saber + Superhot = John Wick VR. You stand still while the world slowly moves towards you as though on a powered walkway, which is fairly comfortable. You shoot polygonal stylistic dudes with a gun and get bonus points if you do it to the beat. You can also punch dudes and dodge bullets. Trippy Rez style environments. Very fun, very easy to learn. Not a ton of content but highly repayable.


Payday 2 - Steam
One of the VR games with the most content since it was designed for flat-screen, the VR update is free and works extremely well. This is a full co-op FPS like Left4Dead if you haven't played it, and you can play with a party of friends who have some people in VR and some people on flat-screen. You have options for teleport move or free move, and shooting two handed guns or dual wielding pistols just feels loving amazing. Shoot cops forever. Also you can go stealth if you wanna do Metal Gear Solid VR, which is pretty wild too. Its Thief Simulator but higher budget.


WarThunder - Steam
Free to play aerial dogfighting game. Can play arcade style or historic. Totally possible to have an extremely good time on this and never spend a penny. There are microtransactions of course but they just unlock planes faster, and you can have tons of fun with biplanes (possibly more fun than other planes, IMO) and quickly unlock some WW2 planes for free just by playing. The VR is very immersive, you sit in a cockpit so even though you're flying around at high speeds I never get any motion sickness. Just doing "test flights" and zooming around in a peaceful map like Flight Simulator is pretty fun and wild as an experience to demo to people if you don't feel like getting into a shootout.


Rez Infinite - Steam | Oculus
Trippy experimental Dreamcast & PS2 game that became a cult classic. You've probably heard of it? Its basically StarFox except everything you do makes music and you feel like Fox took some acid before heading out of Corneria. You gotta see this if you've never played it before, and if you have, VR makes it way more fun. I highly recommend changing the controls from looking to control the cursor to pointing with your motion controllers to move the cursor, so you can look around independently. (It'll save your neck and feels more fun to me)


Tetris Effect - EGS | Quest
It's Tetris, you already know how it works. That's a strength. Very simple to understand so very chill, the VR part is just an immersive light show like Rez that matches the game you're playing, with all kinds of cool floaty trippy space poo poo happening all around you while you play and listen to music. Relaxing VR game, good to demo for first timers. Only on the Epic store for PCVR, but works with Oculus and SteamVR. The Quest version is the full game, though some graphical sacrifices had to be made to in order for it to work on the Quest which takes some of the visual impact away. Still a fine way to play the game, and if you can find a nice shady tree to sit under on a cool, breezy day, you can play the game in it's most transcendent form


Job Simulator - Steam | Rift | Quest
Vacation Simulator - Steam | Rift | Quest
Job Simulator was one of the first VR games and is rather basic as a result, but still has plenty of good humor and is very accessible. Both are a series of a bunch of interactive minigames, though Vactation Simulator adds a simple progression system to unlock more as you complete them. Very comfortable to play and good demo game, do stuff like cook hot dogs, throw snow balls, stuff like that. Colorful and cartoony, if a bit simple.


Rick & Morty: Virtual Rick-ality - Steam | Rift
Its literally Vacation Simulator but Rick and Morty style. If you're a fan of R&M this is a must buy, you get to hang out IN the Sanchez house and have Rick insult you, and everything has full Roiland voice acting and Harmon writing and its pretty fun stuff. Realtalk though you'll beat this in a couple hours and never touch it again. But they're a pretty fun couple hours. You get to play with some of Rick's wild science tools, and shoot some aliens, and also walk through portals. Its pretty wild fun, but short.


The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners - Steam | Rift
This came out of nowhere. A VR Fallout Lite with decent physics, object and world interactions which while going not going as nutso crazy as Boneworks, ends up being more comfortable as a result. Weapons have simulated weight, you can grapple zombies and the weapons all have proper reload mechanics. The loot + crafting loop is a lot of fun thanks to the non-fiddly grasping and manipulating and there's NPCs giving missions, dialogue branches and a surprising amount of opportunities to take advantage of an environment. On a technical level it's an AA game, but it looks and performs nicely and I haven't run into any terrible bugs. This is pretty close to being an immersive sim and those and VR go together like peas and gravy. IMO a must buy.

Open for additions! Preferably with a quick blurb, links and banners and all that.

SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Oct 7, 2021

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Going to strongly disagree with the OP. If youíre focused on racing and flying sims while dabbling in other stuff, buy a Rift S. Splurge for an Index if you really want to. The Quest library is pretty limited and all of those games are available on Rift S anyways.

Thereís some debate on just how good the tethering of the Quest is going to be while Carmack and Oculus are both recommending the Rift S still as the best experience of PC driven VR.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003



Taintrunner posted:

Going to strongly disagree with the OP. If youíre focused on racing and flying sims while dabbling in other stuff, buy a Rift S. Splurge for an Index if you really want to. The Quest library is pretty limited and all of those games are available on Rift S anyways.

Thereís some debate on just how good the tethering of the Quest is going to be while Carmack and Oculus are both recommending the Rift S still as the best experience of PC driven VR.

That there is debate makes it hard to recommend hardware that may end up being obsolete in a month, if Link is considerably worse I'll edit the OP

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


SCheeseman posted:

That there is debate makes it hard to recommend hardware that may end up being obsolete in a month, if Link is considerably worse I'll edit the OP

Right, but youíre telling people to make a decision based on information that isnít known yet. Itís a bit biased and thereís pretty decent arguments either way to be made so first time buyers can make their own decision for the device that meets their needs/desires.

The PC link mode for Quest is going to have compression artifacts as well as other handicaps to deal with the bandwidth, as well as a lower quality display with less clarity, more god rays and a lower refresh rate. Itís also less comfortable considering itís got whatís essentially a cellphone crammed into it.

Not to mention Quest getting locked down when it comes to Beat Saber custom song mods, which is the platformsí killer app as of now.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


I'm really not happy with the build quality on the Rift S and would recommend a quest pretty much every day. Especially with that whole cable announcement.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003



Taintrunner posted:

Right, but youíre telling people to make a decision based on information that isnít known yet. Itís a bit biased and thereís pretty decent arguments either way to be made so first time buyers can make their own decision for the device that meets their needs/desires.

The PC link mode for Quest is going to have compression artifacts as well as other handicaps to deal with the bandwidth, as well as a lower quality display with less clarity, more god rays and a lower refresh rate. Itís also less comfortable considering itís got whatís essentially a cellphone crammed into it.

Not to mention Quest getting locked down when it comes to Beat Saber custom song mods, which is the platformsí killer app as of now.
I go over the drawbacks of the Quest in the OP and also run down the benefits of the Rift-S. Things like "lower display quality" are heavily subjective, particularly considering the differences in panel technology and the software IPD adjustment in the Rift-S. The lower refresh rate could even be spun as a benefit as it may result in less reprojection in many cases, particularly simulators which can struggle hitting 80/90. The overall recommendation of the Quest doesn't mean that it's the best for everyone, only that it's unlikely anyone would be disappointed by the purchase.

Admittedly there isn't much in the OP about VR sims, the needs for it are slightly different.

MikusR
Jan 5, 2008


Quest is 72hz

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010



I'm gonna rush in with the first nuclear take of the thread.

B&S is a pretty good physics toy but a terrible game. Play Until You Fall instead.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"


Something I'd suggest for the OP is including the IPD range for each headset. There's also an extra use case for the Vive Pro if your IPD's over 70mm, as the Vive Pro's goes up to 74mm.



Taintrunner posted:

The PC link mode for Quest is going to have compression artifacts as well as other handicaps to deal with the bandwidth, as well as a lower quality display with less clarity, more god rays and a lower refresh rate. It’s also less comfortable considering it’s got what’s essentially a cellphone crammed into it.

The average person isn't going to know or likely care all that much when they're getting a tradeoff in a device they can unplug and take with them anywhere. If it functionally works well, and it's convenient, there's zero reason to point someone towards a Rift S.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority


Some VR games I enjoy:

Lone Echo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pmV2mwAV9k
A singleplayer adventure game, taking place in outer space. One of the earliest "big" VR releases, and still one of the best. It has some of the most uniquely VR experiences, as it takes place in outer space and there is no artificial gravity, so you make your way around by crawling along and pushing yourself off walls to float from here to there, with little hand jets to refine your movement.

The plot is an "everything was fine, and then MYSTERIOUS poo poo HAPPENED" episode of Star Trek, with gameplay consisting of solving environmental puzzles, navigating through hazardous areas, and piecing together clues to figure out what the gently caress happened to your space station.

If you don't care about the story stuff and just wanna gently caress around in space, then check out its free companion (briefly featured at the end of the trailer above):


Echo VR (aka Echo Arena)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSC8nEgHKN8
Echo VR is Lone Echo's multiplayer companion title, featuring two game modes: Arena and Combat.

Arena is the main attraction, both because it's COMPLETELY FREE, and because it loving rules. Take the locomotion of Lone Echo, plop it into that training arena from Ender's Game, and play zero-g 3-on-3 soccer with a flying disc! With a recent patch adding more gameplay tutorials and AI opponents, this is one of the best experiences in VR. If you get a kick out of making a perfect pass or a crazy accurate shot in Rocket League, then you'll similarly love that in this game. Easily one of the best VR games.

Combat is a team deathmatch addition. While not free, if you play Arena and wish it had guns, then Combat will give you exactly what you want.

Also, the game's lobby is the best VR chatroom.


Blade & Sorcery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-90-BE8uq8
VR's most brutal melee combat game. It's simply nonstop violence, from bashing someone's face with your buckler, to pinning them against a wall with a dagger, to chopping off their leg and throwing it at someone, to simply running them through and throwing their body off a cliff. There's also a busy mod scene adding weapons from various countries, and even weapons from Dark Souls and Bloodborne. There isn't much "game" to it yet, as the dev is still working on the engine and physics, but it's a drat fun bloody sandbox. If it bugs you to play a game where stabbing someone's eye with a dagger takes off some hitpoints instead of just killing them, then you'll appreciate this game. If you appreciate this game a lot, then you might need therapy.

Honorable mention: GORN, which is more cartoonishly over-the-top violent, and includes multiple boss fights, including a giant crab.


Thrill of the Fight VR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv_JKBiAVx8
Please work out. Consider playing this game to do so. It's a boxing sim that goes for realism within the practical boundaries of VR. No Punch-Out'esque enemy stuns, no stamina bar, etc. Your stamina in the game is your actual IRL stamina, and if your conditioning is weak, then this game will punish you for it, hard. Stick with it, and your fitness will improve!

It's the most realistic boxing game ever made, in that people who know how to box will immediately be good at it, and people who don't know poo poo about boxing will suck unless they learn some basic stuff (watch YouTube videos, or go work with a boxing coach). The developer updates it regularly (and is working on a Quest port!), and it can legit be used as cardio. It's a steal at $9.99.

The game automatically calibrates itself to how hard you are punching, so it can be used by anybody physically capable of throwing punches, no matter their strength or size. You can also manually adjust the game's punch multiplier if you just wanna deck people with your big lovely haymaker, which is satisfying in its own way.


Carly & the Reaperman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERtyq-VPf4Q
A unique co-op title in which one player (on the monitor) controls Carly, and a second player (in VR) plays the Reaperman. Carly plays like a basic 3rd person platformer, and is assisted by the Reaperman, who can move platforms, see hidden paths, and stall enemies. It's a wonderful couples game, and probably would be fun to play with a kid. I dunno, I don't like kids.


Compound
https://store.steampowered.com/app/615120/COMPOUND/
An early 90s-style FPS in VR, regularly updated with new weapons and enemies. Physically moving your body to peek out from cover is a blast, and the enemy projectiles are slow enough that they can be dodged by bobbing and weaving your head and/or stepping around your play area. This is good poo poo!


Five Nights at Freddy's: Help Wanted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLv3wTRJwWM
It's this goddamn game and it's scary as goddamn balls in VR, loving gently caress this game, christ.


Racket Fury: Table Tennis VR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpE5LKxKbzs

Eleven: Table Tennis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J4Io458jXo
Both are table tennis/ping pong games, both are a blast, and both feel pretty drat realistic, in that you'll probably be about as good/lovely at these are you are at the actual sport. It's a very accessible game, in that everybody knows the gist of how table tennis works, so put your non-gamer friend into VR and load up this game, and they'll figure it out easily enough. Racket Fury has both Arcade and Sim physics modes, making it a bit more accessible than Eleven. Eleven "feels" better to me and has several minigames. They're both good.


Payday 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDKXKTBt0Q
You probably bought this game for like $2.99 during a Steam sale at some point, right? Then you own the VR version, as it was a free update! It's the same co-op heist/gently caress-it-shoot-everything game goons have been hate-loving for years, and it's cross-compatible with the non-VR version. While you can tell it wasn't originally designed for VR (the object interactions are "gamey" and unrealistic), it's very well done, and I enjoy it in VR more than the regular version. There's something especially satisfying about over-the-top shootouts in VR.


Tetris Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFVL6t8IHE8
It's only on the Epic store, which sucks, but if you don't mind that, then this is a must-buy. It's hard to make a $30 Tetris game sound like a must-buy, but it's basically Tetris that constantly puts you "in the zone" and you lose track of the entire world around you as you're drawn into hypnotic visuals and music. I don't do drugs, but I imagine it feels kinda like this. It's has a neat feature where it occasionally triples the game speed, hacks your brain, and you magically become better than you've ever been at Tetris.


Any flight/driving/space game that supports VR
iRacing, Elite Dangerous, IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad, War Thunder, DCS World, Project CARS, Dirt Rally, etc.
Cockpit games and VR go together so goddamn well that I refuse to play them on my monitor now. Being "in" your car/plane/spaceship is the coolest feeling, and there are some gameplay benefits, too. Hovering in helicopters, landing planes, and "feeling" the weight transfer of racecars is much easier in VR than on a monitor, IMO. That said, you need a beefy computer to run most of these, especially the flight sims. Flight sim developers are loving stupid and their poo poo tends to be unoptimized trash.

Shine fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Nov 18, 2019

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority


Oh hey, I started this post in the previous thread, but forgot to actually post it:

Echo Arena's bots are live, and they're fun! They won't fool you into thinking they're human (cute post-goal gestures aside), but they do pass to you and catch your passes, and the harder ones dabble with advanced locomotion (increasing speed by grabbing another player and launching off of them). The easy bots will give new players a gentle introduction to the game, and the harder ones are fun to play against with human teammates. You can play with all AI teammates/opponents, or queue up to play with humans against an AI team.

This removes one of the big obstacles of Echo Arena: getting into a newbie-friendly game where one team doesn't have a level-50 player that can singlehandedly defeat a team of new players. Anybody who was ever concerned about that should give the AI mode a try.

I'm Shine.49 on Oculus. Friend me if you wanna compstomp.

Cicero
Dec 17, 2003

Jumpjet, melta, jumpjet. Repeat for ten minutes or until victory is assured.

Good OP, I'm pretty sure the Index and Vive Pro both have mechanical IPD adjustment though, not software.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"


Cicero posted:

Good OP, I'm pretty sure the Index and Vive Pro both have mechanical IPD adjustment though, not software.

They do indeed. The Cosmos does too, but who really gives a poo poo about it? :v:

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


Neddy Seagoon posted:


The average person isn't going to know or likely care all that much when they're getting a tradeoff in a device they can unplug and take with them anywhere. If it functionally works well, and it's convenient, there's zero reason to point someone towards a Rift S.

If youíre paying $400+ for a niche piece of hardware, ďaverage personĒ really doesnít count here. Thereís also plenty of reasons to point someone to a Rift S if you know what they want to do with a VR headset.

The Quest is heavier and less comfortable, and thereís a number of game genres that require longer gaming sessions in which someone would want a more comfortable fit (and the extra visual clarity): Flight/racing sims and Skyrim VR are two prime examples where the added weight would become a distraction.

Beat Saber and other Oculus games on the Quest are being locked down, mod/custom song support wise. Im sure most people donít want to buy Imagine Dragons DLC to get more out of their purchase.

Again, Carmack and Oculus have recommended the Rift S over the Quest for plenty of different use-case purposes. The USB3 tethering is going to have pretty significant compression and the Link cable is going to be what, $80? Itís pretty steep after already paying $400 for a headset.

Quest is mobile first and as such itís games can be pretty limited, and if youíre an ďaverage personĒ who doesnít want to mess with sideloading, etc. youíre going to be locked into the Oculus Store if you want to take it on the go, which different people are going to have different priorities for. I live in a one bedroom apartment and the only space Iíd have to Quest is the same space I use with a visually superior Rift S with a larger game library.

Different people are going to have different situations and/or desires. Most people posting in Games have a decent PC gaming rig, and youíre likely going to want that to be running your VR games than a cellphone board. Maybe you really want portability, maybe you donít have a space where that makes sense.

The next gen of mobile VR headsets is probably going to have a better solution for tethering, weíll have to wait and see, but assuming a USB3 connection is going to run video, audio, input, and other data back and forth compared to a dedicated display port and USB3.0 connection and have a comparable experience to make you forgo looking at a Rift S, when Carmack and Oculus have both said if youíre PCVR focused to stick to the Rift S, is a bit much.

Just depends what youíre mainly going to be doing with it, really, and most people are going to have some sort of idea what that is before they buy a $400+ dedicated piece of hardware, and should be able to decide for themselves.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003



You're putting a lot of stock into the opinions of Oculus, the company that has a bunch of inventory of the Rift S to sell and Carmack who works for that company. Granted Carmack is usually pretty candid, but he's also an extreme stickler for technical detail and quality in a way most people aren't.

I've tried casting from my PC to my Quest with ALVR, the video stream compressed to 50mbit/s with fixed foveation. Quality at that bitrate was acceptable in most cases and already looked considerably better than my Vive. The Link's datastream is apparently 150mbit/s, almost triple. I get the feeling that most people won't notice.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"


SCheeseman posted:

You're putting a lot of stock into the opinions of Oculus, the company that has a bunch of inventory of the Rift S to sell and Carmack who works for that company. Granted Carmack is usually pretty candid, but he's also an extreme stickler for technical detail and quality in a way most people aren't.

I've tried casting from my PC to my Quest with ALVR, the video stream compressed to 50mbit/s with fixed foveation. Quality at that bitrate was acceptable in most cases and already looked considerably better than my Vive. The Link's datastream is apparently 150mbit/s, almost triple. I get the feeling that most people won't notice.

Most of the people who tried Quest Link could only really see a difference if they swapped headsets immediately after. At a general glance they thought it was perfectly fine.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005



I am considering a quest specifically because the wires thing. I borrowed a PSVR once for like 2 weeks and the hooking up and wires and all that made it basically unusable for me

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


Neddy Seagoon posted:

Most of the people who tried Quest Link could only really see a difference if they swapped headsets immediately after. At a general glance they thought it was perfectly fine.

I can tell immediately but I honestly just don't care about the graphics because they don't look that bad. Sure if you're a massive graphics over everything fan then sure you're going to care, but how many people in VR are here for the graphics?

Shoefish
Sep 29, 2005
captain haggis mcnipplesworthy

Throwing my 2c onto page one, I upgraded from a Vive to a Rift S and could not be happier. I have a lot of disposable cash and was super keen on getting an Index when they finally make their way to Australia, with the Rift S being an interim step, but will find it seriously hard to justify the $2000 or whatever the Index will cost when it gets here.

The Technician
https://store.steampowered.com/app/839960/

Throwing out a recommendation for The Technician, is in a VERY alpha state at the moment but is seriously fun. Feels like a single player Keep Talking and Noone explodes, do logic puzzles while under pressure.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass





Please donít forget the best free games

Rec Room
https://recroom.com/rec-room

Rec Room is essentially a framework around which other games are built. It includes tools to make your own gametypes, although 99% of players just play existing rooms. Popular game modes include:

Paintball - Exactly what it sounds like. Players are divided up into two teams to play either team deathmatch, or capture the flag. You pick up weapons in the level, or from downed opponents. The paintballs are affected by gravity, so there is a strategic component to shooting

Battle Royale (rec royale): Basically Fortnite or pubg in Rec Room. You know the drill. Drop from a plane, last man standing wins. I would argue that Rec Royale is a way better BR implementation than most other games, because the 6DOF affords you a lot of flexibility.

There are a ton of other modes including parkour courses, castlevania type games, shooting galleries and all manner of fun stuff.

The game and culture around it is pretty kid friendly and you will bump into players of all ages. The community is generally pretty good about not tolerating toxicity. The biggest drama is generally around teleport motion vs smooth motion, with the latter claiming the former are cheating. They arenít, teleporters have a mandatory two second cooldown after they move where they are sitting ducks.

Available on Oculus, Steam, quest, PSVR and in flat mode on a bunch of devices. Crossplay is enabled between all of them. There are options to only play with VR players, although I find VR players are at an advantage over flatscreen players anyway.

Pokerstars VR
https://www.pokerstars.net/

Itís poker, in VR. If you have ever played Texas holdem poker, you know how to play this game. The real draw of this game is the human interaction. You have an array of toys, drinks, food, smokables and all kinds of stuff to mess with at your disposal. The tables fill up with stuff as the game goes on. Donít like that you lost that hand? Shoot the winner with a squirt gun, or throw a tiny donkey at them.

The physics are on point, which you wouldnít think is important for a poker game, but absolutely makes this one. You physically grab your chips and cards and play like you would at a real Vegas table.

Everyone is voice enabled by default so the game doubles as a chat room as the games go on. Watch the people you play with, youíll find like in real life, they have tells in VR too. Everyone is 6dof as well, so you can see if they slump back in their chair, shake their head, sigh, or anything else really

Chips are free and you can win more of them every 8 hours by spinning a big Wheel of Fortune type wheel. You can purchase them too, but in my experience Iíve never bumped into anyone who actually bought them. Legend has it, itís only the weirdos who absolutely have to play at the million dollar tables who actually buy chips.

Itís poker, so the audience and conversation skews more adult than rec room but in my experience itís rarely toxic. You can mute peopleís voices and avatars as well if they get out of hand. I find I mostly mute people for constantly breathing into the mic, rather than any other reason.

Itís on Oculus, Steam, Quest and PSVR and itís crossplay between all of them.

Jim Silly-Balls fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Oct 11, 2019

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Thanks for making a new thread. I kept getting too busy to fix the op of the last one.

eonwe
Aug 11, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

good thread, OP.

i started playing beat saber recently and im losing weight lmao

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008


Taintrunner posted:

If you’re paying $400+ for a niche piece of hardware, “average person” really doesn’t count here. There’s also plenty of reasons to point someone to a Rift S if you know what they want to do with a VR headset.

The point is that the advantages of the Quest pull it out of the realm of niche hardware. It's easy enough to use and there's enough to do on it that I think it's finally VR that I would advocate people to get, rather than something that might be worth it depending on if you're willing to deal with the trade-offs and drawbacks of the other headsets. With the link on top, you aren't even giving up the opportunity to be able to do all the PCVR things.

Lemming fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Oct 11, 2019

Leal
Oct 2, 2009



Nep and customer service is all I know


I fought with the dead forums to let you all know Beat Saber is great.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.


Jack Trades posted:

I'm gonna rush in with the first nuclear take of the thread.

B&S is a pretty good physics toy but a terrible game. Play Until You Fall instead.

Yeah, unlike H3VR, which is a pretty good gun simulator attached to several very good games.


Hot dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades (H3VR) - SteamVR
If you like guns, this is the game for you. There are hundreds of guns lovingly modeled, with all the physical mechanisms and jiggly bits accurately implemented. There are no human opponents, only range targets and animated human-sized sausages. If you don't care about guns, good news - there's also several game modes that are legitimately great video games by themselves included. Take and Hold drops you into a complex series of rooms and cooridors with a knife, a healing sausage, and perhaps a gun, and forces you to seek out supply points to upgrade to more powerful weapons to take and hold a series of choke points from waves of armed sausages who want to grind you to bits. Return of the Rotweiners is a great roguelike that is going to get a substantial update this month. You're dropped into a world infested with zombie sausages and are given a pistol with limited ammo, and are forced to unlock more powerful guns by competing quests for the uninfected sausages you meet. Every time you die, you lose everything you've gathered, but keep all the unlocked items, making further progress that much easier. Meat Grinder is a horror game mode that most closely reminds me of Resident Evil 3's Mercenaries mode - you're dropped into a slaughterhouse with a gun and need to complete a series of objectives with a strict time limit while fighting off fiendish meat-based enemies and avoiding deadly traps. WurstWorld is a Wild West themed area where you get to enjoy all the old timey weapons and also struggle with how bad throwing things like horseshoes in VR can feel. Plus all the shooting ranges you could ever hope for.

Butt Discussin
Sep 12, 2010





I've been playing Asgard's Wrath on Index(with revive) for a few hours. It works perfectly(except for probably needing a gamma fix, as it's hard to see in a few dark areas.) It's also very good, as long as you realize that it's an adventure game, not an action game or a physics simulation. Not for everyone, but really good for those who enjoy adventure games.

Nektu
Jul 4, 2007

FUKKEN FUUUUUUCK


Cybernetic Crumb

I bought a Rift S to find out what this VR stuff is all about.

Verdict: fffffffuuuuucccckkkkk yes :catdrugs:


Now I want more. I'm very temped to wait till the Pimax 5k is generally available and get me one of those.

On the other hand, I could get an Index right now. Has anybody had the chance to compare the Index and the 5k?
How much better does the Pimax view angle make the experience? Will I hate myself in a few months if I get an index now?


Regarding Skyrim VR: can I use total conversions for normal Skyrim with that? I just started to play Enderal, and doing it in VR would be awesome.

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass





Buy the index. Pimax might go out of business tomorrow.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

SCheeseman posted:

That there is debate makes it hard to recommend hardware that may end up being obsolete in a month, if Link is considerably worse I'll edit the OP


You basically said "cosmos is total poo poo im not adding info", and theres been nothing but mixed reviews so far. Yet you added some info on WMR? Lots of personal bias in that op fan.

Debate he says.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Oct 11, 2019

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



What do you believe is "Unknown" here, in the Steam survey?



Rift S or Index?

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Turin Turambar posted:

What do you believe is "Unknown" here, in the Steam survey?



Rift S or Index?

Rift S. Oooo Wait. I wonder if its "Headsets using things like ALVR"

Theres no way the index has anything sold over HTC/Oculus at this point

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




Turin Turambar posted:

What do you believe is "Unknown" here, in the Steam survey?



Rift S or Index?

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors




Hi VR thread, back around the Quest launch, I started putting together a coded and curated list of a lot of the popular recommended games that come up a lot. I quickly forgot about updating it, however if theres anyone more tech savvy than myself that knows some way to host the spreadsheet in such a way as anyone could edit it to recommend stuff to add to it, it might be a useful thing to point to for people jumping into VR for the first time. I tried to make it easy to read for broad categories and the status of the games availability.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/191p4aTHrXGtisYWZTMSt-hlftDfmbMN2iIXjSlObdgg/edit?usp=sharing


BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK




Turin Turambar posted:

What do you believe is "Unknown" here, in the Steam survey?



Rift S or Index?

the graph has more headsets in it than this table for some reason

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



BMan posted:

the graph has more headsets in it than this table for some reason

Uh, you are right. Well, for people who haven't seen it...

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass





Turin Turambar posted:

What do you believe is "Unknown" here, in the Steam survey?



Rift S or Index?

Monoculus rift

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


Here's my OP game recommendations:




SUPERHOT VR - SteamVR | Rift
A unique first person action game where you punch, shoot, slash and throw objects at Red Glass Men in open white room environments. The catch is that time only moves when you move. It's part puzzle game figuring out through trial and error what it takes to survive each round.
Really great intro to VR and an experience that plays best in VR.



Vader Immortal: Episode 1 and Vader Immortal: Episode 2 - Oculus Quest or Rift
A VR Star Wars. This is more of a narrative story experience than a full game. Each episode will take you about 40 minutes to play through. The visuals and sound are so, so, nicely polished here. The interactivity is mostly through door unlock puzzles, and a few sections with a lightsaber. There's also a side mode in a lightsaber training dojo to take your saber through the paces in a series of timed challenges.
Every Star Wars fan I've seen try this game all grin like idiots at the level of immersion.

Also, please add this image to the OP

Jim Silly-Balls
Jun 6, 2001

Fondle my shiny metal ass





canyoneer posted:

Also, please add this image to the OP


Lmao

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Raged
Jul 21, 2003



Iím just surprised someone got a picture of me.

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