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I mean we can all hope that someone else makes a vr headset that doesn't cost a thousand bucks plus an entire high end gaming PC, but until then vr does not exist in any way that matters outside of what Facebook is making as far as 99% of consumers are concerned
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Butterfly Valley posted:It's fair enough though if people don't want to directly financially support Facebook and I get the principle although for me it feels unevenly applied given how evil literally every major tech company is. It is unevenly applied, and that's OK. We aren't really left with any pro-social ways to be consistently principled so people will pick and choose where to take their stands, and as long as we're not dicks about it that's at least a little better than just caving on all fronts. Personally I caved on the Quest front, but I still feel bad about it and won't fault anyone for holding out. And I had to RMA the dumb thing for a strip of dead pixels as soon as it arrived - another week or so of shipping a replacement to me now before I get to check out RE4.
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Quest v37 https://www.oculus.com/blog/apple-magic-keyboard-support-link-sharing-an-organized-home-and-more-in-latest-quest-software-update/ https://support.oculus.com/release-notes/ quote:App Library
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If you buy anything with a lithium ion battery you’re enabling horrible precious metal mining in Africa South America and China. I’m writing this on a device that is powered by my constipated anger of Facebook tho so I’m in the clear.
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Count me in as one of those who took the facebook requirement as a hard dealbreaker for the Quest 2. Literally is the one thing stopping me from getting it + even more troubling to me are all the reports I've heard of them banning you for making a fake account just for it. FUUUUUUUUCK THAT. Was gonna get the Index but went with the HP Reverb G2 instead and so far I think I made the right choice. I wish I could play RE4 tho. Hoping that it's only a timed exclusive. It is pretty funny to me that RE7 and RE4 in VR are games in the same franchise but are hard-locked to their respective headsets. Add RE2 and RE3 to that as well if you include their VR mods (which requires a gaming PC).
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Nuts and Gum posted:If you buy anything with a lithium ion battery you’re enabling horrible precious metal mining in Africa South America and China. If you live in US that means that you enable genocide of native populations that the country was built on.
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if u post on SA you enable the genocide of brain cells
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Jack Trades posted:If you live in US that means that you enable genocide of native populations that the country was built on. That’s not true they got to have casinos so we’re even now.
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I need to talk about how incredible Blaston is. It's really sent my VR experience from "this is neat" to "this is mindblowingly cool". It's a competitive 1v1 game where you and an opponent stand on equally spaced platforms and shoot guns at each other. Let's talk about why it's so good. 3D space and physicality are an inherent part of the game-- You need to use your body both to dodge and get in good shots. In the course of a single match I will often run, sidestep, kneel, duck, pivot, and even crawl or shuffle on my knees. Jumping is occasional effective, but less common. You might think this only applies to defensive, but it very much applies to offense as well. For example, at the edge of your platform is a barrier, and if you stick your head over it, you will take a ton of continuous damage; however, this does not apply to your body, so walking straight up to the front of the barrier, leaning your head back, and extending your arm forward will allow you to half the distance your bullets have to travel to hit your opponent. When an opponent hides behind a shield, you very much need to get in the right position to shoot around it. Lobbing cluster grenades so they explode shrapnel in the correct position over 3D space is a skill on it's own. So is shooting down said grenade before they go off. When I am matched with an equally skilled player, I am usually out of breath by the end of the 2 rounds. Even if the game was just mindless action, it would still be fun, but what really elevates Blaston is the amount of depth and strategy going on under the hood. There are 29 different guns/grenades in the game and their properties matter. The different types of bullets have different hitpoints, sizes, speeds, and weight. These factors need to be considered when choosing how to use the gun offensively or defensively. There is a gun that shoots giant slow moving purple orbs. You can use it offensively to obscure the enemies' view and constrict their space on their platform. Or because of the very high HP of the orb, you can use it defensively to block incoming bullet spam. Grenades are strong, but can be shot down by a single bullet before they detonate. There are 3 guns that allow you to curve your bullets based on swing speed, angle, pull back-- you can max a small, tight fast slight curve or a slow, long distance, arc or anything between. You can curve bullets vertically to drop behind shields. These guns are quite challenging to use and reward practice and skill. Some guns have projectiles that ignore object collision-- great for offensive, but literally useless for defence. Other guns can be fired up like a mortar. There are 3 different types of shields that have different properties and a tether weapon where you latch onto it and it powers up the gun in your other hand. Guns even have their own health bars, which affects how many hits they can take from bullets if you throw the gun in front of you to block a bullet, only to grab it again to use it. At any given time you to take 6 guns into a match. Guns have different spawn speeds, so you need to balance that. If you choose 6 guns with long spawn timers, you are going to find yourself completely out of weapons and just sitting around waiting. If you start to read or watch videos of the top players, they have builds with combos based on the gun combinations. I love competitive games. I played way too many MOBAs and RTS games. I find this game sucking me in the same way. The premise is simple, but there is significant depth and strategy lurking under the surface. If you haven't tried this yet, I highly highly recommend it. This is the first game that has genuinely wow'ed me (although I haven't played Alyx yet). I can't even imagine what VR games are going to be like in 5-10 years. Edit: Here's some competitive matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40eoQgRkgSc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhLrKCuo9uc Megasabin fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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beep by grandpa posted:Literally is the one thing stopping me from getting it + even more troubling to me are all the reports I've heard of them banning you for making a fake account just for it. FUUUUUUUUCK THAT.
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Megasabin posted:I need to talk about how incredible Blaston is. It's really sent my VR experience from "this is neat" to "this is mindblowingly cool". I've looked at Blaston gameplay and glossed over it, but dang, when you put it that way it sounds amazing. e: Like, drat thanks for sharing that! The Eyes Have It fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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The Eyes Have It posted:I've looked at Blaston gameplay and glossed over it, but dang, when you put it that way it sounds amazing. I legit think it's amazing. I feel like a 7 year old who just got super nintendo. I do think many people passed it up, because the matchmaking is not nearly as filled as I would like. If you don't connect to a human, it puts you with a bot, and the ratio of bot to human matches is like 60:40 right now. Although I think the game has been out over a year and I'm just starting, so I hope as I move up the rank ladder, I will get mostly humans.
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I would 100% without a doubt put myself through a window playing that
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Blaston is great but it will kick your rear end. It's an intense workout you don't realize is happening until after the round's over because you were so focused on winning. It's really good if you are looking for a game to make you sweat while also being fun as hell.
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Manager Hoyden posted:I would 100% without a doubt put myself through a window playing that Yeah I’ve got my sea legs when it comes to vr but that much locomotion is a bit much, especially that fast. Beat Saver is just moving your arms and sidestepping, bowling is just a few short steps. This on the other seems frantic. Maybe I’m wrong. I’m glad the poster like it though. I’m going to get high and play Pixel Ripped
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The best part about Blaston is that in the very first match against an actual human, we first shot the poo poo out of each other and then we high-fived. 
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I mean yesterday I went over my couch trying to make a save in Eleven Table Tennis I think Blaston would immediately be like the end of a Matt Foley sketch
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:Christ, does that really happen? I assumed if you didn't use the account for actual... Facebook stuff and so didn't get noticed or reported it wouldn't be a real issue. That's poo poo. It doesn't happen nearly as much any more, usually when it happens it's people who "deleted" their accounts making a new one under the same name which gets flagged because accounts are never truly deleted. Also a lot of people get flagged when there's a big rush of new accounts, most notably during the US election in 2020 and I wouldn't be surprised if some people got banned from making accounts over Christmas. It's basically the nightmare of automatic moderation, I doubt any actual humans there give a poo poo if you're making a throwaway account just for the Quest. Hopefully this whole thing goes away when they transition to the Meta account, still the same poo poo company but at least not tied to their shittest site.
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Blaston is the type of game that is pretty drat simple, just two players in front of other firing each other with different 'slow projectiles' weapons, but that idea is very well implemented and designed.
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Turin Turambar posted:Quest v37 The keyboard importing thing is cool and all but I really wish they would just let us draw a rectangle of permanent passthrough around any keyboard. The K830 is unobtanium and the magic keyboard is not especially useful if you don’t use a mac Just let me always have my keyboard in passthrough.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:The keyboard importing thing is cool and all but I really wish they would just let us draw a rectangle of permanent passthrough around any keyboard. The K830 is unobtanium and the magic keyboard is not especially useful if you don’t use a mac Apparently you can do this, but only in Horizons right now  i.e. You can specify a desk area and turn on passthrough for the desk's top. In Horizons e: Horizons Workrooms, I should have said (still, though) The Eyes Have It fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Jan 19, 2022 |
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The Eyes Have It posted:Apparently you can do this, but only in Horizons right now horizons seems like the least useful place for that, lol
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GutBomb posted:They don't need one. The thread already has enough facebook shills in it as it is. Give me all the zuck bucks.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I don’t know why it has to be a thing regardless. If you don’t want a Facebook account for whatever underlying reason, then don’t get one. I think a competitor wouldn't need to be nearly as cheap as Q2 as long and it had the same features. Year ago when I was planning the purchase a Reverb G2 gave a stiff competition. The wire was a bigger deal breaker than the price, and I may not have bought the Q2 if I hadn't learned about Virtual Desktop from this thread. Manager Hoyden posted:Really don't like long guns in VR. Anything you're supposed to hold/aim with two hands really throws me off and gives the impression on holding a slippery pool noodle I wish some game would implement single handed rifle shooting. You don't use your trigger hand to aim a rifle, the front grip and shoulder take care of that. And there's a pretty good idea where the shoulder is related to the headset.
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Saukkis posted:I think a competitor wouldn't need to be nearly as cheap as Q2 as long and it had the same features. I really doubt the vast majority of people give remotely enough of a poo poo to let their conscience sway them to paying more for a similarly featured non-fb competitor.
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Saukkis posted:I wish some game would implement single handed rifle shooting. You don't use your trigger hand to aim a rifle, the front grip and shoulder take care of that. And there's a pretty good idea where the shoulder is related to the headset. At least in Pavlov it has an option to simulate a stock. It makes the aim jiggle WAY less of a problem. Edit: Well, I gotta say the Quest 2 has a much, MUCH better onboarding experience than WMR/ReverbG2. The sound is surprisingly nice and the controllers feel a lot more comfortable. Inzombiac fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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Butterfly Valley posted:I really doubt the vast majority of people give remotely enough of a poo poo to let their conscience sway them to paying more for a similarly featured non-fb competitor. Not if it's just another Snapdragon XR HMD with it's own worse tracking, UI and software ecosystem. Something that can run your Steam games natively on a big screen? A Windows VM? Real productivity apps instead of sideloaded Android APKs and PWAs? That's worth more.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOqI1ETE3vE I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk 2077 VR lately. My god, setting it to 4K DLSS and turning all of the settings to max is a loving slideshow, but holy poo poo, standing next to the Arasaka building and just looking around is insane.
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forest spirit posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOqI1ETE3vE Oh huh this is by vorpX rather than the dude that makes the other mods on Patreon. It's free. Hm!
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Yeah, and I want to establish I have never bought VorpX based on all of the feedback I've heard about the app itself and the dev, but this is a bespoke mod according to him and he seems to be updating it fairly frequently and is responding to posts in his forum. If you have it there's literally nothing to lose. I used a Quest 2 thru Virtual Desktop. Ultra in VD. The mod is set to use steam headsets rather than Oculus because I'm using VD. Launch mod, change resolution in-game, and then dial in some settings. Then it's just, go, explore. The insides of every car are bonkers. They were impressive flatscreen but the character in each brand of car and their design? impeccable worldbuilding poo poo Jim Silly-Balls posted:That still needs a game pad, right? never did AFAIK, I downloaded it when it came out and remember using my mkb. It's what I used in that video as well, I find it's much easier to correct for something screwy with perspective with a mouse
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So, is it 6dof? Or do you look around with the mouse/game pad?
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:So, is it 6dof? Or do you look around with the mouse/game pad? I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but it's always 6dof for your head, but not with the hand tracking. Look around, up, down, behind, but you gotta trigger animations like you would in flatscreen with buttons.
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Jack Trades posted:If you live in US that means that you enable genocide of native populations that the country was built on. Facebook has literally done genocides in the past decade. Can anyone suggest a solid but cheap facial interface thing? I have the good kiwi strap but it pushes my face into the lovely stock facething SO hard it is painful. Otherwise, great strap. Is there one that's real squishy?
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Tom Guycot posted:Wasn't there another CP77 vr mod coming out in January, or is this that other one? This is the janky one that came out in december. Luke Ross has his coming out soon but he hasn't given and update
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