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Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS

he knows..


Thats a real promising start for a show I was very skeptical of going in. Really wish they had a double episode premiere after that ending.

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teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Yeah, great way to open the series.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Kind of interesting to see that there are no cell phones in this world.

Le Saboteur
Dec 5, 2007

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS

he knows..


That preview of whats to come was some ambitious looking stuff.

Scooter_McCabe
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please


muscles like this! posted:

Kind of interesting to see that there are no cell phones in this world.

There will probably be some emphasis on that and the importance of free flowing instant communication. No cell phones, no internet.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Sister Night is badass

Preston Waters
May 21, 2010

by VideoGames


Supreme Allah posted:

Okay that 'Unforgettable' reference is to the movie not the book

It was in the book too.


Supreme Allah posted:

Adrian what did you doo

(psychic after effects probably)

I wouldn't put it past the government to be in on the little secret to remind the world that it better not forget who the "real enemy" is.

edit: by that I mean they randomly cause squid storms to keep the guise up. Didn't look like Veidt was doing anything to cause it. Plus, what if he died? No more squid rain?

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

At the end of 2018, a study was published by London Metropolitan University showing that certain bacteria, normally present only in intestinal tracts or feces, were found on McDonald's self-service screens.


Preston Waters posted:

Plus, what if he died? No more squid rain?

If that newspaper is to be believed, he is dead.

Preston Waters
May 21, 2010

by VideoGames


Jose Oquendo posted:

If that newspaper is to be believed, he is dead.

Jeremy Irons looked pretty alive and well.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


Jose Oquendo posted:

If that newspaper is to be believed, he is dead.

Declared dead. We saw him alive and well in the episode.

It really is a fantastic pilot and all the little background details are intriguing. IMO episodes 3, 5 and 6 are even better than the pilot so I'm excited to see how people react to them.

hcreight
Mar 19, 2007

My name is Oliver Queen...


Lindelof definitely enjoys getting to play around in worn-in alternate universes where a hosed up thing happened. Excited to see where this one goes.

Keltar
Sep 9, 2011


Jose Oquendo posted:

If that newspaper is to be believed, he is dead.

Veidt is the old man in the castle with the servants. He's hiding, probably faked his death or vanished once his role in the pyshic squid invasion massacre got revealed due to rorschach diary as teased by the ending of the comic.

The squid rain is likely connected to the psychic squid itself causing tears in the fabric of reality.

Keltar fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Oct 21, 2019

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



There's definitely something not normal with the squid rain seeing as they dissolved almost as soon as they came down.


Miching Mallecho posted:

pay attention to the wall during the classroom scene to find who became president after Nixon

Robert Redford

edit:I’m loving the Reznor/Ross score

According to the radio he is still president, which makes sense as Nixon pushed through a Constitutional amendment abolishing term limits.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


Agreed that this was a good start to the show. I've got a lot of questions. For someone whose first introduction to the story is the original graphic novel, I can't help but wonder if there is any more direct relation between those characters and the new story. Right now we got...

A terrorist organization inspired by Rorschach because of course
The police using Nite Owl tech
And I guess Dr Manhattan is still tooling around on Mars

My biggest question was who Jeremy Irons was. There were certainly hints that he was somebody. Well, I guess I just got spoiled with the Wikipedia entry for the show. Makes the most sense of who it could be.

muscles like this! posted:

Kind of interesting to see that there are no cell phones in this world.

Where did you see this implied? I missed it.

Le Saboteur posted:

That preview of whats to come was some ambitious looking stuff.

Yeah, this show is gonna get weird and I am down for it.

Preston Waters posted:

I wouldn't put it past the government to be in on the little secret to remind the world that it better not forget who the "real enemy" is.

edit: by that I mean they randomly cause squid storms to keep the guise up. Didn't look like Veidt was doing anything to cause it. Plus, what if he died? No more squid rain?

I'd find it hard to believe that the guise could be kept up. The Cavalry is outright quoting Rorschach. That means his journal got published. With that, I don't see how Veidt's lie could be sustained. Then again, with what Regina's character said about the world not being pretty, perhaps the lie is still alive.

I'm betting the squid poo poo is a true side effect.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

At the end of 2018, a study was published by London Metropolitan University showing that certain bacteria, normally present only in intestinal tracts or feces, were found on McDonald's self-service screens.


Preston Waters posted:

Jeremy Irons looked pretty alive and well.

I'm sorry. I was trying to be clever but failed. Yeah I think you're onto something with the government keeping up some sort of ruse.

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003



Pillbug

I have no idea what's going on other than liberals vs conservatives.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

So this was actually good? The ads made it look awful, and no other attempt to build on the story had been even tolerable. I think they had Dr. Manhattan hanging out with Batman a while ago.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



The show didnít spell it out yet but yeah i think it would be silly if we all pretend we didnít see all the press about it beforehand.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

Rorschachís journal as the Turner Diaries of that world sounds like a nice touch.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

muscles like this! posted:

According to the radio he is still president, which makes sense as Nixon pushed through a Constitutional amendment abolishing term limits.

Redford's been president for 30 years lol.

[edit] Oh the show takes place 30 years after Watchmen. Duh.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


Miching Mallecho posted:

pay attention to the wall during the classroom scene to find who became president after Nixon

Robert Redford

DC Comics is publishing an event story called Doomsday Clock, where the Watchmen characters cross over into the DC world after their world takes a turn for the worse once the veil of the lie falls. In that story, he's been president this entire time as well.

Scooter_McCabe
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please


LesterGroans posted:

Declared dead. We saw him alive and well in the episode.

It really is a fantastic pilot and all the little background details are intriguing. IMO episodes 3, 5 and 6 are even better than the pilot so I'm excited to see how people react to them.

How do you know 3, 5 and 6 are particularly good?

Preston Waters
May 21, 2010

by VideoGames


Revol posted:

With that, I don't see how Veidt's lie could be sustained.

Easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p80hXaM4QgU

quote:

Then again, with what Regina's character said about the world not being pretty, perhaps the lie is still alive.

Yea I'm quite sure it is. It showed the WTC in "the box" when he asked what the suspect thought about the interdimensional aliens. Meaning the Seventh Cavalry believe the conspiracy, i.e. the truth, but what everyone else believes to be a conspiracy theory.

(No I am not a loving 9/11 truther, don't worry)

quote:

I'm betting the squid poo poo is a true side effect.

I guess we'll find out, but why would the event in the book cause squid rain decades later? Seems a bit of a stretch.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Oven Wrangler

Scooter_McCabe posted:

How do you know 3, 5 and 6 are particularly good?

I believe they're a TV writer who has seen screeners.

Miching Mallecho
May 24, 2010





With a show like this, I want all the episodes NOW

I donít like waiting

Honestly, if Manhattan makes a cameo. I honestly hope they had Crudup do it, unless itís just glimpses and he doesnít even speak or something.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

So this was actually good? The ads made it look awful, and no other attempt to build on the story had been even tolerable. I think they had Dr. Manhattan hanging out with Batman a while ago.

Batman hasn't met him yet, but he has met with others. The book is nearing the end, though it's gone through several delays.

I like it. It's an interesting story. I hope it is used to make far-reaching changes to the DC universe, because that seems to be what the story is setting up.

Philthy posted:

I have no idea what's going on other than liberals vs conservatives.

How so? I don't see it. I can't imagine how you could say the Cavalry is liberal. (The police force has to be conservative, right?)

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


Scooter_McCabe posted:

How do you know 3, 5 and 6 are particularly good?

I've seen them.

teagone posted:

Redford's been president for 30 years lol.

[edit] Oh the show takes place 30 years after Watchmen. Duh.

"Redford-rations" is such an insane detail.

Preston Waters
May 21, 2010

by VideoGames


teagone posted:

Redford's been president for 30 years lol.

[edit] Oh the show takes place 30 years after Watchmen. Duh.

Yea, and remember the scene at the right-winged newspaper at the end of the book mentions that he's going to run, to which the owner of the paper yells, "Don't be a damned idiot, we're not going to elect a goddamn cowboy to be president." An obvious riff on Reagan.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.





Supreme Allah posted:

Rorschach was never racial was he? Fascist sure but only against criminals. He killed lots of white baddies.

Rorschach was racist and homophobic in the comic. Dude was a piece of poo poo but somehow less of a piece of poo poo than the Comedian and Veidt.

Revol
Jul 31, 2003

EHCIARF EMERC...
EHCIARF EMERC...



I guess Rorschach wouldn't have been considered a reliable witness, so... yeah. It'd be that world's 9/11 conspiracy.

Preston Waters
May 21, 2010

by VideoGames


Best new character is Panda.

prove me wrong


edit: also lmfbo @ "If I defecated on the American flag, how would that make you feel?"

Preston Waters fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Oct 21, 2019

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



Revol posted:

Where did you see this implied? I missed it.

Because it is 2019 in the show and they're using pagers and landlines.

Supreme Allah
Oct 6, 2004

working from home


Nap Ghost

Vanderdeath posted:

Rorschach was racist and homophobic in the comic. Dude was a piece of poo poo but somehow less of a piece of poo poo than the Comedian and Veidt.

Nooo.. he hated anyone indulging in their impulses, he hated the idea of sex in general, but racist?

That's the only thing I can't recall about him being. He was Black/white but action wise, not skin-wise

Amateur Saboteur
Feb 5, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


List of things which own:

bioshock infinite vibes from the intro

literal meat shield minigun scene and flamethrower aerial frag

sister night, crawford, panda, and disco face dude

this show

Arist
Feb 13, 2012



Oven Wrangler

I really can't get over how smart it was to start the show with the Tulsa race riot, as gauche as that sounds as I type it. It conveys a sensitivity to the racial implications of its own premise, as well as the cyclical, generational nature of the events of that day, the original story, and now this series. It's like Lindelof predicted the hand-wringing about the "police opposing white supremacists" concept and decided to just immediately push those doubts aside.

Amateur Saboteur
Feb 5, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


addendum: future in the soundtrack

Thom and the Heads
Oct 27, 2010

Farscape is actually pretty cool.


Supreme Allah posted:

Nooo.. he hated anyone indulging in their impulses, he hated the idea of sex in general, but racist?

That's the only thing I can't recall about him being. He was Black/white but action wise, not skin-wise

Guess you missed the line from his diary where he mentions "race traitors" lol

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



Thom and the Heads posted:

Guess you missed the line from his diary where he mentions "race traitors" lol

Thatís not the original line. The 7th Kavalry have changed it from politicians.

Antifa Turkeesian
Aug 20, 2006



Broken Cake

Thom and the Heads posted:

Guess you missed the line from his diary where he mentions "race traitors" lol

Itís on the first page. Itís parodied in the op of this thread.

Edit: oh no Iím wrong. Itís ďpoliticians,Ē right?

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Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014



I think Lindelof mentioned in an interview that he didnít believe Rorschach was racist at any rate.

Anyways I liked the episode well enough but wasnít particularly wowed by it. It has me curious about the long run at least.

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