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mystes
May 31, 2006

fritz posted:

idlewords 9 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

Sadly at this point geology is the last, best hope for West Coast urbanism. Something like BART could not be built today unless the Bay Area was a pile of rubble. Reconstruction is the only way to get Japan-like high density housing and transit infrastructure.
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this is a dumb post but mainly just because even with a megaquake wiping out 100% entire bay area you still wouldn't get japan-like density with american euclidean zoning

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Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



the OP also seems to ignore the fact that when the federal/state/municipal government really really wants to do an infrastructure thing they'll just use eminent domain to bulldoze anything and everything. they've somehow blown straight past the fact that said governments are feckless and without the will to do poo poo and gone straight to "only force majeure, an act of God can solve this"

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017

mystes posted:

this is a dumb post
i see you have met maciej

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



who?

mystes
May 31, 2006

Pile Of Garbage posted:

the OP also seems to ignore the fact that when the federal/state/municipal government really really wants to do an infrastructure thing they'll just use eminent domain to bulldoze anything and everything. they've somehow blown straight past the fact that said governments are feckless and without the will to do poo poo and gone straight to "only force majeure, an act of God can solve this"
In 2023 america, I highly doubt a state could successfully use eminent domain on a wide scale to try to densify a city and build transit (even incrementally) without being stopped by the courts

On the other hand, in 2023 america, I doubt a state could even build a dense city from scratch after a megaquake. Even assuming that the existing landowners were paid enough to go away and not demand that their houses rebuilt exactly so you could start over from scratch, you would probably just end up with the new bay area being built into some dystopian nightmare like Phoenix, which seems to represent Americans' idea of the perfect city.

If cities didn't already exist the US would probably just be one giant strip mall

mystes fucked around with this message at 16:58 on May 27, 2023

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



mystes posted:

On the other hand, in 2023 america, I doubt a state could even build a dense city from scratch after a megaquake. Even assuming that the existing landowners were paid enough to go away and not demand that their houses rebuilt exactly so you could start over from scratch, you would probably just end up with the new bay area being built into some dystopian nightmare like Phoenix, which seems to represent Americans' idea of the perfect city.

imo they should do it like in NGE where japan said "gently caress it" and just built Tokyo 2, then Tokyo 3

nudgenudgetilt
Mar 18, 2003

it scratches that "oddly satisfying" itch

mystes posted:

In 2023 america, I highly doubt a state could successfully use eminent domain on a wide scale to try to densify a city and build transit (even incrementally) without being stopped by the courts

On the other hand, in 2023 america, I doubt a state could even build a dense city from scratch after a megaquake. Even assuming that the existing landowners were paid enough to go away and not demand that their houses rebuilt exactly so you could start over from scratch, you would probably just end up with the new bay area being built into some dystopian nightmare like Phoenix, which seems to represent Americans' idea of the perfect city.

If cities didn't already exist the US would probably just be one giant strip mall

we're about to see:
https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...ry/70016013007/

https://www.townofclarksville.com/clarksville-celebrates-completion-of-new-main-street-corridor/

clarksville indiana decided they wanted a downtown, so they razed a bunch of industrial poo poo and a few old single family homes to start building out a little downtown of apartments and shops that isn't too terrible. this property is adjacent to the downtown project, and the developer has been dragging their feet on actually developing it

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

fritz posted:

idlewords 9 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

Sadly at this point geology is the last, best hope for West Coast urbanism. Something like BART could not be built today unless the Bay Area was a pile of rubble. Reconstruction is the only way to get Japan-like high density housing and transit infrastructure.
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I agree with Maciej, there isn't a really incremental path to fixing the Bay Area

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

yeah the post is specifically that the bay area is incapable of building things, moreso than elsewhere in the US

oh you want a train line? well that'll be about 20 years in california environment court facing a team of lawyers funded by atherton

bart absolutely wouldn't be feasible today

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

yadaeno 13 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [–]

Ive never seen Star Trek, but lets say you had an infinite food machine. The machine would have limited throughput, and it would require resources to distribute the food.

These are both problems that capitalism solves in a fair and efficient way.

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
tell me you’ve never seen Star Trek by both expressly stating that and mistaking the fundamental lore

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).

"lets say you had an infinite food machine. The machine would have limited throughput, and it would require resources to distribute the food"

Motherfucker did you just rediscover farming?

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
a socialist star trek society might build one food replicator, but would be stymied by the logistical challenges of making more and distributing them

yes, i am very knowledgeable and insightful about economics

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Internet Janitor posted:

a socialist star trek society might build one food replicator, but would be stymied by the logistical challenges of making more and distributing them

yes, i am very knowledgeable and insightful about economics

that’s simply because the emissary’s girlfriend stole them for the maquis

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
in a capitalist star trek society there would only be one food replicator, because the owner of it would correctly realise that wider distribution of the replicators would prevent them from seeking obscene rents from the outputs that it produces

food would instead be magnanimously distributed for nearly free until all local food producers are out of business, at which point prices would be cranked up as much as possible

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003
the bay area doesn't need fixing. it is the way it is because the people who own the land want it to be that way. if you want it to be different, you'd have to buy the land, and they ain't selling

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."

hobbesmaster posted:

that’s simply because the emissary’s girlfriend stole them for the maquis

it's pretty wild that they still hooked up again after he sent her to prison for six months

the 24th century dating pool of captains who like baseball is pretty small, but still

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Internet Janitor posted:

a socialist star trek society might build one food replicator, but would be stymied by the logistical challenges of making more and distributing them

yes, i am very knowledgeable and insightful about economics

I simply can’t figure out how everyone doesn’t immediately understand and embrace fully automated luxury gay space communism

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."
if star trek technology existed, fully automated luxury gay space communism would honestly be pretty easy to pull off

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Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008
If it was really fully automated we wouldn't need to embrace it for it to work. :colbert:

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