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Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

look we all have a good time itt, let's not say things about emacs we can't take back

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Sniep
Mar 28, 2004

All I needed was that fatty blunt...



King of Breakfast


i will poo poo down emacs throat

Penisface
Jul 17, 2008

"I am Albino. You wish to see me?"


some of my coworkers are really fast with emacs

this knowledge is not transferable easily which makes tooling inconsistent and now we need to support everyone’s special riced working styles

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt



the #1 trait i lust for in a coworker, employee, or contractor: that they type really fast

mystes
May 31, 2006



dmajirb 1 day ago | parent | next [–]

Glad you handled it well. My experience with Covid was even less mild (felt like a small hangover at worst). Clearly I am not at risk for hospitalization due to Covid, however am being pressured to receive a vaccine that I do not want/need/trust. I still do not understand how smart/intelligent people can defend, or outright vehemently advocate for, vaccine mandates given that what we know (not to mention that what we don’t). Brings to mind the following quote by Benjamin Disraeli; ‘the whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, yet wiser people are full of doubt.’

mystes fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Nov 5, 2021

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004



Fun Shoe

mystes posted:

dmajirb 1 day ago | parent | next [–]

Glad you handled it well. My experience with Covid was even less mild (felt like a small hangover at worst). Clearly I am not at risk for hospitalization due to Covid, however am being pressured to receive a vaccine that I do not want/need/trust. I still do not understand how smart/intelligent people can defend, or outright vehemently advocate for, vaccine mandates given that what we know (not to mention that what we don’t). Brings to mind the following quote by Benjamin Disraeli; ‘the whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, yet wiser people are full of doubt.’
sometimes these are so good they strain credibility

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.


notTheAuth 9 minutes ago | parent | favorite | on: Complex Chips Make Security More Difficult

Security will play a huge role in obsoleting software development as a job.

Monkeys in chairs papering over generic CPU design is pushing chip makers to consider silicon designed to workload spec; input parameter set, let it go.

Chips are now undergoing their great decoupling like software. It’ll take a while as manufacturing process pivots but rather than 8 generic cores we’ll eventually have SOCs per application. Software will be pushed to the UI layer alone for users, and whatever industry needs to boot strap manufacturing.

Frankly I’m looking forward to it; I can’t think of anything software companies have provided humanity that will stand the test of time, except making us all learn their new preferences.

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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow dis wack-ass
crystal prison











Mr.Radar posted:

notTheAuth 9 minutes ago | parent | favorite | on: Complex Chips Make Security More Difficult

Security will play a huge role in obsoleting software development as a job.

Monkeys in chairs papering over generic CPU design is pushing chip makers to consider silicon designed to workload spec; input parameter set, let it go.

Chips are now undergoing their great decoupling like software. It’ll take a while as manufacturing process pivots but rather than 8 generic cores we’ll eventually have SOCs per application. Software will be pushed to the UI layer alone for users, and whatever industry needs to boot strap manufacturing.

Frankly I’m looking forward to it; I can’t think of anything software companies have provided humanity that will stand the test of time, except making us all learn their new preferences.

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i mean this is a bit hand-wavey but it’s not entirely wrong

Plorkyeran
Mar 21, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed


kitten emergency posted:

i mean this is a bit hand-wavey but it’s not entirely wrong

it is pretty entirely wrong. there are specific niches which have gone from being implemented in software to having dedicated hardware, but the overwhelming trend is the exact opposite.

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



Yeah - the categories of problem where custom silicon helps are mostly single-pathed, specific kinds of computational crunching. Business logic isn't that. That is a neckbeardo who is minimizing what all that business logic actually does and that it, plus the interop between disparate systems, is why they pay us the medium bucks.

My life got so much better when I stopped writing low-level nonsense except for fun and by choice. You stop dealing with this kind of quasiperson.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



also, wrt the security thing, making bug-free hardware is orders of magnitude harder than making bug-free software that does the same thing, and making patching difficult/impossible isn't exactly good for security. and there have been recentish high profile cases of os writers having to scurry round putting in software workarounds for hardware security flaws

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow dis wack-ass
crystal prison











Plorkyeran posted:

it is pretty entirely wrong. there are specific niches which have gone from being implemented in software to having dedicated hardware, but the overwhelming trend is the exact opposite.

idk, I don’t think they’re gonna be sticking Linux in your fridge forever.

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



Qwertycoatl posted:

also, wrt the security thing, making bug-free hardware is orders of magnitude harder than making bug-free software that does the same thing, and making patching difficult/impossible isn't exactly good for security. and there have been recentish high profile cases of os writers having to scurry round putting in software workarounds for hardware security flaws

In absolute minimal fairness, most of that bug-free software, isn't. Almost no software adequately handles OOM errors, for example. It might never actually hit those bugs, but they lurk.

Re: Meltdown and Spectre, you're right that OSes had to put in fencing to avoid those bugs (and at a significant performance penalty!), but that is as much an indictment of the performance-at-all-costs mindset that those hardware folks are pushed into. Designing out-of-order speculative execution is loving black-magic wizardry for those who really are well and truly comfortable staring into the event horizon, but you can build fast--just not earth-shatteringly fast--processors without it.

It's the demand software folks have put on hardware folks that have made that a progressively more integral part of that hardware.

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



kitten emergency posted:

idk, I don’t think they’re gonna be sticking Linux in your fridge forever.

Fridges--well, you're not going to put all of the logic around reading temperature sensors and reacting to them in complex and user-programmable ways into an ASIC or an FPGA. Could you do it? Probably, but you won't, because doing so is overwhelmingly more human effort that writing it in a modern HLL is, with bonkers turnaround times. And that's not even talking about stuff like human-renderable displays and the like. I don't want an LED screen on my fridge, but they're coming, and you're not reinventing the wheel for that when a general-purpose SoC that can drive the whole thing is already peanuts.

I used to work for a company building exercise equipment. Three dudes wrote the entire stack for our microcontroller that handled resistance and performance data for the machine and shipped it over serial to an Android tablet that acted as the display. Neither part of that system would be good at dealing with the other's--but custom silicon wouldn't make the work that microcontroller did faster or cheaper or meaningfully lower-power.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005



Nap Ghost

tracecomplete posted:

It's the demand software folks have put on hardware folks that have made that a progressively more integral part of that hardware.

you can just say webshits you know

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



i'd say there's like three main reasons hw is less visibly buggy than sw:
1) a poo poo-ton more effort put into verification, since once you make it you're stuck with it
2) interfaces are generally low-level, which are easier to specify and test
3) firmware/drivers can work around bugs, and not expose features which are irrevocably broken (this happens a ton, just not generally in public)

if everything moves to hw then 2 is gone, 3 is looking dubious and any project manager is going to look at 1 and think "hmm maybe we could do this in software and ship two years sooner"

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend

Fun Shoe

out-of-order and speculative execution is a natural step for processors because it’s the only way to get more of the hardware actually doing something during any given cycle. utilization is laughably low even with it

more importantly, it’s a step we collectively took a long time ago, and your idea of what processors would be like without pipelining and branch prediction (which are all that’s really necessary to start running into spectre-class problems in the hardware) is very wrong

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003


the problem isn't out-of-order and speculative execution, the problem is that we assumed our virtual machine abstractions were perfect

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



yeah branch prediction was standard in processors before javascript was invented

(i have, more recently than that, written assembly for a weird processor with three branch delay slots instead. my advice is don't do that)

Qwertycoatl fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Nov 5, 2021

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend

Fun Shoe

DELETE CASCADE posted:

the problem isn't out-of-order and speculative execution, the problem is that we assumed our virtual machine abstractions were perfect

right, and once you have any speculative execution at all, it becomes a long-tail problem where almost any subsystem of the processor could theoretically cause bugs by enforcing things the wrong way. but that’s where we have to solve it, not by going back to 1975

in practice very simple pipelined processors are usually fine, but only because there’s only so much they can do speculatively before the processor catches up to the misprediction. anything at all that increases speculation depth or whatever can expose bugs

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019

"What're quantum mechanics?"
"I don't know. People who repair quantums, I suppose."


Progressive JPEG posted:

i use emacs but thats only after years of tweaking it to fix all the stupid defaults

emacs is like the definition of what happens to software that has enough of an audience to end up being steered entirely by never breaking people's muscle memory

Yup. I used Vim (And vi, and Ex-Vi, and Ed) for 8 years and kept trying emacs. Vim has like gt and gT which is like "go tab" and all of the rest of the things are mnemonic. Emacs has uhh. C-x C-4 5 to like, change the active window or whatever. It's just utterly weird and arbitrary and hosed.

That being said Doom Emacs is really nice because i got to keep all of my muscle memory and get the power of Emacs too I think

I wouldn't recommend either to other programmers but I do romanticise the idea of an editor that can grow like a beard around me

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019

"What're quantum mechanics?"
"I don't know. People who repair quantums, I suppose."


But then I also wonder why Bloomberg executives get specialised trading terminals and yet programmers are happy with like Gedit or Nano or whatever. We deserve good tooling while we make our buttplug.io continuous integration tests

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019

"What're quantum mechanics?"
"I don't know. People who repair quantums, I suppose."


tracecomplete posted:

Yeah - the categories of problem where custom silicon helps are mostly single-pathed, specific kinds of computational crunching. Business logic isn't that. That is a neckbeardo who is minimizing what all that business logic actually does and that it, plus the interop between disparate systems, is why they pay us the medium bucks.

My life got so much better when I stopped writing low-level nonsense except for fun and by choice. You stop dealing with this kind of quasiperson.

Yeah but Business Logic for 99% of companies could be entirely handled by a well written "sufficiently smart" modern Personal Database software. Nobody needs "horizontal scalability" until they are google.

Penisface
Jul 17, 2008

"I am Albino. You wish to see me?"


alexandriao posted:

Yeah but Business Logic for 99% of companies could be entirely handled by a well written "sufficiently smart" modern Personal Database software. Nobody needs "horizontal scalability" until they are google.

of course it could, but this requires investment into people and training which is bad. instead you should invest into buying the next big enterprise shiny which promises to unfuck all the problems you have had with all the previous shinies, and after that get really coked out with the vendor salesperson

Internet Janitor
May 17, 2008

"That isn't the appropriate trash receptacle."


solve employer's problem with in-house resources: $20 starbucks gift card
fail to solve employer's problem with in-house resources: fired

solve employer's problem with enterprise vendor: steak dinner and cocaine with salespeople once
fail to solve employer's problem with enterprise vendor: steak dinner and cocaine with salespeople many times

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.


ketanmaheshwari 0 minutes ago | parent | context | favorite | on: The Decline of Unfettered Research

I recently proposed an idea to create a new data transfer protocol that involves drones to carry data in a medium with a prong attached to them.
When the drone lands on a platform atop a building, the prong connects to a computer connected to the platform and sitting inside the building triggering a mount action.

The data gets transferred to the computer. Now, whoever needs to transfer data from this building to another will use the same method to upload it.

I do not think this will be the best way to move data but if a protocol is in place it could be used as a basis for future intra-campus data movement.

The proposal was shot down. A schematic of the idea is drawn here: https://github.com/ketancmaheshwari/datadrone/blob/main/sche...

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Penisface
Jul 17, 2008

"I am Albino. You wish to see me?"


now we finally know dahir insaat's real name

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016


Mr.Radar posted:

I do not think this will be the best way to move data

oh, word?

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


Penisface posted:

now we finally know dahir insaat's real name

i hate to step on your good joke but dahir is his real actual first name and insaat is just turkic for 'construction' or something like that and he's still postin' renders of his bizarre futurist ideas as recently as 2020

https://www.youtube.com/c/DaxirSemenov/videos

DaTroof
Nov 16, 2000

CC LIMERICK CONTEST GRAND CHAMPION
There once was a poster named Troof
Who was getting quite long in the toof


good to see rfc1149 is finally being taken seriously

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt



i found the bootlickest:


quote:

kkjjkgjjgg 2 hours ago | root | parent | next [–]

Yes of course it would be OK for a business to ask employees to sign up for anti-union material. Why not?

I don't think it would be OK to demand businesses are pro union, or pro anything that endangers their business. Why would they be?

Even if you feel you can't escape Google, I don't think it is abuse of market power if they advertise their interests. Maybe it is just market power, without the abuse part.

You could campaign for people to stop using Google, if it means so much to you. Then businesses wouldn't rely so much on Google anymore.

Edit: do you think it is OK for unions to abuse their power? They are essentially forming monopolies and then using their monopoly power to enforce things.


not at all related:

quote:

kjjkgjjgg 13 minutes ago | parent | context | next [–]

No reason is actually given why love is supposed to be important?

Many societies seem to work very well without it? Parents choose marriage partners for their kids, and things seem to work out? Not sure what percentage of such marriages also end up with love?

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt



found a live beanie babies collector

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mattdesl 3 hours ago | root | parent | next [–]

I have many NFTs that I have purchased, and although there was no license agreement (just as with signed prints), it is reasonably expected that I may display that art (on my digital or physical walls, or in some other fashion).
I can of course sell these tokens to others (again, as with signed prints), but if I attempt to copy/clone the tokens and distribute more, I enter into legal/ethical grey area (again, just as with signed prints).

quote:

mattdesl 2 hours ago | root | parent | prev | next [–]

The NFT-signed work is beautiful and also hanging on my walls (both digital, such as social media, and physical, in that I own prints representing the tokens, signed by the artists who have distributed the same NFTs).
The media does not evaporate as it is either on-chain, or distributed via IPFS (ie: peer-to-peer rather than a central server).

None of the artists I have purchased NFTs from have tried to trick me (including Anders Hoff, mentioned in the OP article, who has distributed his work as an NFT).

And, most importantly, the artists and non-profit organizations in the arts are getting paid via NFT sales.

:)


:)

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



tombert 6 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

This isn't a joke; I had actually scheduled a lunch with Lowtax for this Saturday. Despite a (let's call it) checkered past, I was extremely excited to meet him, since he's been a huge influence to my sense of humor and Something Awful was really important to me as a teenager.

-------
I had found him on LinkedIn a few weeks ago, and simply sent a message explaining that I'm a fan, would love a chance to buy him lunch and chat about Something Awful and Gaming Garbage. To my surprise, he responded back with "sure, I'd be up for it".

I responded back with "How does early December sound to you? something on the order of December 11?"

His response was "poo poo I dont even know if I'll still be alive then". This response was a little weird, but this isn't exactly "off brand" humor for Lowtax, so I ignored it.

I then say something to the effect of "how about something along the lines of November 13?", which he said was better. He then said "and you have my permission to stab me". Again, not off brand for Lowtax.

I bought a plane ticket to Kansas City, was ready to fly out this friday. But I had this deep feeling in my stomach that what he was saying wasn't just a joke. It's pretty well documented that he's been depressed, and I dunno, upon re-reading his messages a hundred times I got a dark feeling that these might be kind of bad omens. What exactly do I do with this? I discussed it with my wife and a friend, who weren't sure what the best solution, and I ultimately decided not to say anything. I figured I'm just some dork who stalked him on LinkedIn, and I was afraid that if I said anything he would think I'm weird and cancel our lunch date.

And now this poo poo happened. He finally did it, and now the thought keeps playing in my brain of "what if I had said something a few weeks ago?" I know I don't owe him anything, but I can't help but have this repeated feeling of "I valued an opportunity to meet my man-crush more than I valued someone showing suicidal tendencies," and it makes me feel downright rotten. That's not the kind of person I want to be, and it makes me feel legitimately sick that that's how my brain decided to work.

At some logical level I know none of this is my fault really; realistically even if I had said something, I doubt much would have changed, and I doubt I had enough there to get him committed or anything, but there's a difference between logically knowing something and feeling something.

As it stands, I think there's a reasonably good chance that I will feel partly responsible for this for the rest of my life. This sucks.

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RIP Rich. I know you had a rough last couple years, you were the definition of a "complicated person", and despite everything you will be missed.

Penisface
Jul 17, 2008

"I am Albino. You wish to see me?"


not the thread i expected to find this news in

rip lowtax, i wish your story ended better

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008



javajosh 9 minutes ago | parent | next [–]

>credible allegations

I truly wish that allegations of any and every sort were considered not credible by the general public. Domestic abuse is a real problem, but false allegation of domestic abuse is a real problem, too. Indeed, if a person wants to harm another without lifting a finger, the simplest thing to do is claim "He hurt me" or "I'm afraid of him" and you'll get every cop, judge, attorney, a legion of your friends, and family, maybe some of his too, on your side. Because to even doubt a woman's allegation is to condone violence against women, making you no better than an abuser yourself.

This isn't against women. How many of us, given such an arbitrary and powerful weapon, would have the character not to use it, especially against someone we hate for personal reasons? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," and yet here we are, giving scorned women the literal power of life and death over the object of their rage.

That the accused does not have recourse, neither in a court of law nor in public opinion, goes without question. The solution is not to lament the lack of self-restraint, but to take this unfair power away. Accusation is not guilt, and we need to stop assuming that every accusation is credible.



malwarebytess 22 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

His ex-wife posted on the forum. Basically she pursued 3,500/mo alimony and about 90,000 cash, and won a judgement in court. Lowtax apparently had a weak moment and decided the best way out of that was suicide. Can't say I blame him. Dude was broke, deep in addiction, lost everything, became public pariah, and now was financially hosed forever.

Courts are wildly imbalanced against men.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004



Fun Shoe

Qwertycoatl posted:

javajosh 9 minutes ago | parent | next [–]

>credible allegations

I truly wish that allegations of any and every sort were considered not credible by the general public. Domestic abuse is a real problem, but false allegation of domestic abuse is a real problem, too. Indeed, if a person wants to harm another without lifting a finger, the simplest thing to do is claim "He hurt me" or "I'm afraid of him" and you'll get every cop, judge, attorney, a legion of your friends, and family, maybe some of his too, on your side. Because to even doubt a woman's allegation is to condone violence against women, making you no better than an abuser yourself.

This isn't against women. How many of us, given such an arbitrary and powerful weapon, would have the character not to use it, especially against someone we hate for personal reasons? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned," and yet here we are, giving scorned women the literal power of life and death over the object of their rage.

That the accused does not have recourse, neither in a court of law nor in public opinion, goes without question. The solution is not to lament the lack of self-restraint, but to take this unfair power away. Accusation is not guilt, and we need to stop assuming that every accusation is credible.



malwarebytess 22 minutes ago | prev | next [–]

His ex-wife posted on the forum. Basically she pursued 3,500/mo alimony and about 90,000 cash, and won a judgement in court. Lowtax apparently had a weak moment and decided the best way out of that was suicide. Can't say I blame him. Dude was broke, deep in addiction, lost everything, became public pariah, and now was financially hosed forever.

Courts are wildly imbalanced against men.

literally came here to post this, drat

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



the forums are coming from inside the hn?!

fritz
Jul 26, 2003



Cybernetic Vermin posted:

the forums are coming from inside the hn?!


crossroadsguy 1 hour ago | parent | context | next [–] | on: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful...

What’s that site? Definitely not humorous. Soft bullying forum? A place to lodge whims and cerebral flatulation?
I created an account and figured it could go two ways - abandon it, or try to invent the most effective mental faeces filter human kind has seen. It’s been years.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).



fritz posted:

crossroadsguy 1 hour ago | parent | context | next [–] | on: Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful...

What’s that site? Definitely not humorous. Soft bullying forum? A place to lodge whims and cerebral flatulation?
I created an account and figured it could go two ways - abandon it, or try to invent the most effective mental faeces filter human kind has seen. It’s been years.

Even more than the endless bad takes, the fact that everyone on hn writes like an rear end in a top hat is the most infuriating thing about that site.

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kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow dis wack-ass
crystal prison











mrmcd posted:

Even more than the endless bad takes, the fact that everyone on hn writes like an rear end in a top hat is the most infuriating thing about that site.

they all write like fifteen year old boys trying to sound grown up

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