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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i can't judge the absolute virtue of n-gate, but it is certainly a lot better than the last incarnation of this thread.

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



suffix posted:

This problem has been solved for years, and yet no platforms implement it: K-Means Clustering
https://towardsdatascience.com/understanding-k-means-cluster...

The property "interesting" is an individual decision. A forum like HN could implement K-Means Clustering instead of having dang madly moderating stuff. Over time, those HN users interested in "technologically interesting stuff" would aggregate together, and generally only see posts that are "voted up" by others in their cluster.

totally contrary to actual community-building though (which is something hn does do, just a bad community), the filter bubble crowd-of-one is the fungible commodity of online. got to have some stymies.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



fritz posted:

it does but you can run it a bunch of times with different clusters and pick the "best" one

(also its been more than a few years since ive done recommender systems but kmeans would def. not have been the first thing i reached for)

i think that impulse is backwards though, in that k-means is pretty good as a first "is this good enough?" check. in that it is one of those that is sure to get you *somewhere* without worrying about convergence or parameters (the k itself being a pretty intuitive thing)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Captain Foo posted:

What's all this about wealth taxes being unconstitutional

well, under maritime law...

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



all these still vastly improving on soylent

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



in 2007 lehman brothers had an internal tome detailing the investments best suited for a global warming future. i don't remember that much of it, but one of the real biggies was pharmaceuticals focused on respiratory problems, claiming that this would be a huge early class of health problems related to global warming. somehow.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



mrmcd posted:

So we're about 3 days from Eich going full alt-right pizzagater then?

not that that is, in practical terms, worse than spending ones money opposing marriage equality

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i understand that we need to retire 'fucktard' for being slur'ish, but let's be honest: being a 'fucklord' sounds pretty awesome. i petition we go for the slightly boring 'fuckwit' until the right neologism is found.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Lambert posted:

N-gate might as well be the average HN commentator with the amount of weird and hot takes in that person's commentary. Not seeing much of a difference.

Also, not really a fan of the "Game of Thrones faceless man" writing style.

Lambert posted:

n-gate has tons of really dumb takes, it's quintessential HN.

Might as well read fishmac-gate.

Lambert posted:

Nah, n-gate is garbage.

Lambert posted:

n-gate is about as insightful as the average hn poster.

come on, just tell us which of your hn posts they roasted

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



hn is not being that extreme in either direction in that debate anyway. there is a real point to be made that if we shut everything down for 18 months, which at this rate may still be the length of time needed, the poor and disadvantaged will get incredibly hosed over.

as a pretty specific example i would be very unsurprised if a lot of kids from harder backgrounds never make it back to school again having had to survive a gap.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i agree with that post. it is not at all obvious how it'll all turn out, and e.g. having a generation of kids just not getting to go to school for a year will gently caress so many over in so many ways, and here "the economy" is actually largely code for the poorest and most unfortunate getting screwed over the worst.

because US political discourse is the dumbest in the world it of course needed to be decided whether the left or the right was going to be the side in favor of lockdown. now that it has been decided that it is a leftist position the central idea is to roll ones eyes about ~the economy~, pretending that anyone actually rich is suffering at all from this poo poo, when the reality is far more grim.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



uncurable mlady posted:

r0 of 4, 2-5% CFR gives us an optimistic 2.2m dead Americans alone so no Im pretty sure we need some changes in order to avoid like 100x 9/11s

"some changes" sure, "some" things are already being done. again, taking the example of closing schools; something like 25 million children almost just losing a year of their childhood, but many of them being locked up in bad family situations or at very difficult ages. and that is not necessarily the most significant, just an easy example. the only reason not to get into how awful a years lockdown would turn out for all poor, disadvantaged, and just plain unemployed people is because people love to pretend that help will obviously be given. just start by arguing for the lockdown and surely the powers that be will be guilted into providing aid for the needy.

the catastrophy is here, the lockdown can be used to change the nature of the catastrophy, but any more than a few months is a very very difficult calculus.

i don't have any data or clear inkling to argue against a long lockdown, but the issue is that the data for a very long lockdown is not there either. not on the virus itself, but even less so on the effects such action has on the population.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i'll lay off the subject now though, i am sure plenty of people disagree, and i don't have some very heavy-hitting argument to add. it is pretty nice that yospos is not too deep into these kinds of rather morbid debates, so i'm sorry for trotting it out.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



hpv vaccine is good and should be part of the standard vaccination regime for everyone.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



it is a classic rms take.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Qwertycoatl posted:

if i make a jpeg of a swastika and then convert that to a 10000 digit number, is that number now banned?

(+5, Insightful)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



e: originally asked for context of the above, but managed to find it, and the whole thread clarifies the idiotic point pretty well (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23913295):


foobar_ 1 day ago []

No one uses mathematical notation for practical purposes. This is just like the medival music notation which is neither practical nor what modern composers use, which is more visual in nature. Infact modernism is a rejection of medievalism.
I think in the future programming will force all mathematicians to code or give out simulations. Most mathematical notation was intended to be throwaway by the original authors, thats why there are so many notations. Trying to find relevance in them is a pointless exercise. Much like 80x20, tabs vs spaces ... most of the original intent is lost and what survives is guff meant for ceremonious purposes.


foobar_ 1 day ago []

What I am trying to convey is writing software is better than writing maths, just like medieval music notation vs modern notation. Programming is better than proving because most proofs are mere tautologies or artificial constraints. This is why theorem provers in code rely on term rewriting.
A triangle has a sum of 180 ? Well how about if you push the triangle inside out. In code you can easily run a more complex simulation which gives you all possible values of the sum ... which is why ascertaining useful facts like 180 ad-nausea is boring at best. In fact most mathematics if it can't be simulated can't exist.

Cybernetic Vermin fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jul 23, 2020

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i am still very much dwelling on the koan of the angle sum of an inside-out triangle.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



fritz posted:

this way lies helldump fwiw

plus it kind of is right here on the forums, so i am already doing my best avoiding the weird little conspiracy subcommunity that is springing up. those that find that entertaining can head over and read all they want.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Suspicious Dish posted:

please watch my videos though i worked super hard on them and i think they're yospos-adjacent content

oh yeah, they are really good stuff. i am not so secretly very happy that you burned out on the x11 project, as all the noclip stuff and the videos are way better vehicles for your efforts.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i understand what you're saying, but i am pretty persuaded that it is indeed really useful to push these more restricted licenses. partially because it lets (the relevant) people get paid, partially because we are indeed getting to the point of most "open source" ending up being effectively closed when fielded by amazon/microsoft/google (and that being its primary use).

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



idk i can't recall ever having a GET have a side-effect bud.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



wtf the unread number on this thread just changed on me

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



pretty drat sad thinking about that guy waking up every morning going "just 10 more years" in the mirror as he elects to ruins his life.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



fritz posted:

raiph 3 days ago [–]

> Understanding the runes of Perl and the difference between a "$" and a "@" etc are a lot more exotic than "ADD A TO B GIVING C." or "IDENTIFICATION DIVISION."
I disagree.
"$" is understandable for just about every 2 year old on the planet[1] and understood by just about every developer on the planet, including the majority for whom English is not their first language. ("IDENTIFICATION DIVISION"? Why would you divide your name?)
"@" is understandable for a 6 year old.[2]
Calling such incredibly simple things "runes" and "exotic" is like calling "0" an exotic rune.[2]
[1] "$" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying S for "Single" and I for "Item". According to replicated scientific studies an average English baby demonstrates understanding of this concept at around 22-24 months. I think a conclusion that a 2 year old could understand "$" is reasonable.
[2] "@" is just a visual/audio/semantic/mnemonic/symbol overlaying "at" to indicate indexing, "a" to indicate "array", and "0" to indicate counting starts at zero. According to a 2018 scientific study[3] an average child has come to understand integer counting by the age of around 3 and a half, and is comfortable with counting from "0" at around 5-6 years of age. Perhaps the most challenging aspect is the notion of an "array"; but the whole point of having an "@" is to distinguish it from "$" without getting into details. I think a conclusion that a 6 year old could understand "@" more easily than they could understand addition is reasonable.

ok, this is actually peak hn and we might as well close the thread now.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



afaik it is indeed pretty good with unicode, notably it was pretty early and quite complete on unicode in regexes (which is not that trivial, beyond defining what word boundaries are, a more general idea of up/downcasing, there's also stuff like canonical equivalents, where some code point sequences should be treated as the same).

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



one proposal is rocq, for rocquencourt where the project was started. has a clear upside in being just as easy to pronounce, keeping the letters for some recognizable continuity, etc.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



wtf is 'dx'?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



my brain filled in wodehouse in that, which was a good move

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



it can't be a very big problem for google, or they could obviously be more obnoxious about preventing it. e.g. actually set up the backend to not send you further video data in the periods you are expected to be viewing an ad.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Doom Mathematic posted:

The problem is that "yellow" doesn't unambiguously mean "no possible human skin tone", it pretty much means "white person". See The Simpsons, and Lego people before that. If all emojis had been pale green or pale blue from day one this would have been less of a thing, maybe.

yeah, and that is a real problem. as a solution multiple skintone emoji also has serious problems though, where lack of representation gets made overt when only paleish or yellow emoji gets used in some circumstances (e.g. media), or other skin tones only show up in extremely performantive ways.

which might not be worse, but it is actually real hard to tell. either way that can of worms is fully open, so we'll see. it helps little to imagine going back in time to push for emoji being really cartoony and with a really unrepresentative color scheme.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



eh, i think it is a pretty sound and reality-grounded kind of question to ask what the symbols you use to communicate actually mean, or at least how they are perceived. yeah you can just refrain from using them at all, but even then it is at minimum worth knowing why you're doing so.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Hammerite posted:

"this thing you're worrying about is silly"

"well have you considered this silly hypothetical"

considering you seem incapable of communicating in any other form than by making up stupid hyperbolic quotes this is some :ironicat:

Hammerite posted:

"i have to use the emojis with the correct skin tone or somebody might think i'm a chud!" no you don't. that's stupid. it's in your head

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



skull mask mcgee posted:

ah yes, wearing a nazi armband and using an emoji with a white skin tone. these two things are the same to me

you are just backpedaling on the hypothetical you accepted:

skull mask mcgee posted:

carry on then posted:

white supremacists will read it as you signaling to them that you are also a white supremacist
even if this is true, it doesn't matter. ...

emoji skintones probably don't matter a whole lot, but stop pretending that what you signal can't matter.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



if the guy does wind up dying from exposure this fall i guess i won't mind if getting looked into a bit. until that happens though pg is such a loving idiot.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



a/b testing giving bypass operations should turn up some interesting data

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



living in a historically fairly socialist country it is interesting that the word conservative is not really used in politics, but when it is it tends to align with the american view, despite that not making a whole lot of sense. liberal is defined as you would expect from circumstances though; right-wingish and anti-tax and so on.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Plorkyeran posted:

there's a lot of them when the conspiracy is coming from a joke character. none (or very few) of dale's conspiracy theories in koth are true, for example.

the koth reboot will be built on dale turning out to be correct about everything, the setting being the neighborhood as an enclave in a post-apocalyptic world

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Juul-Whip posted:

did slashdot have upvotes and downvotes? i can't remember if they did but that seems to accelerate the death spiral everywhere it's used

(Score: 5, Insightful)

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



the forums are coming from inside the hn?!

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